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MaryJane Puxley
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      10-04-2006, 02:08 PM
I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix FZ7 but
their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd appreciate your
advice/experience with either camera.

Thanks,
MJ
(beginning to wonder if she'll ever own a camera as good as the Olympus
C-750 she handed down to her daughter!)


 
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David J Taylor
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      10-04-2006, 03:30 PM
MaryJane Puxley wrote:
> I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix
> FZ7 but their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd
> appreciate your advice/experience with either camera.
>
> Thanks,
> MJ
> (beginning to wonder if she'll ever own a camera as good as the
> Olympus C-750 she handed down to her daughter!)


The cameras are fairly similar, and you would probably be happy with
either. Comparing previous models in the range, I think that the
Panasonic has the better lens, and fewer gimmicks than the Canon, but you
may like the swivel finder on the Canon. The Panasonic is set up by
default to produce sharper pictures than the Canon, but this does result
in a little noise being visible. I would recommend using the lower ISOs
with both cameras where possible.

Try handling both in the shop and see what you think.

I went for the Panasonic FZ5 (over the Canon S2 IS) as it had fewer
gimmicks, the better lens and sharper pictures, and didn't use AA cells
(which I have found very inconvenient). I have been completely delighted
with the camera, its weight, and the results.

For an extreme example of my results:
http://www.david-taylor.myby.co.uk/imaging/moon.htm

David


 
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      10-04-2006, 06:12 PM
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:38:44 -0230, MaryJane Puxley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix FZ7 but
> their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd appreciate your
> advice/experience with either camera.


As the others have said, the two cameras are pretty similar, so either
one would work well. Your best bet is to go down to a shop that has them
both in stock, and handle both models. See which one fits better into
your hand, which one has a more natural-feeling menu and control system,
etc.

There are a few differences: most notably, the FZ is smaller and
lighter, and the Canon has a somewhat better movie mode. When I was
shopping for cameras, the size/weight of the FZ (the FZ5, since this was
last year) was the deciding factor for picking it over the S2IS.

-dms
 
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      10-05-2006, 12:48 PM
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:12:26 GMT, Daniel Silevitch
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:38:44 -0230, MaryJane Puxley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix FZ7 but
>> their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd appreciate your
>> advice/experience with either camera.

>
>As the others have said, the two cameras are pretty similar, so either
>one would work well. Your best bet is to go down to a shop that has them
>both in stock, and handle both models. See which one fits better into
>your hand, which one has a more natural-feeling menu and control system,
>etc.
>
>There are a few differences: most notably, the FZ is smaller and
>lighter, and the Canon has a somewhat better movie mode. When I was
>shopping for cameras, the size/weight of the FZ (the FZ5, since this was
>last year) was the deciding factor for picking it over the S2IS.
>
>-dms


After comparing the reviews, sample photos, and going to Circuit City
to play with the 2 cameras I also went with the FZ7. Another factor
was the price. I got the FZ7, extra battery and a UV filter for less
than the S3.

Dave
 
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      10-05-2006, 05:32 PM
Protoncek (ex.SleeperMan) wrote:
> "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...

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>> After comparing the reviews, sample photos, and going to Circuit City
>> to play with the 2 cameras I also went with the FZ7. Another factor
>> was the price. I got the FZ7, extra battery and a UV filter for less
>> than the S3.
>>
>> Dave

>
> true, but i would still read this link
> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons3is/page12.asp
>
> and sit down and weep :-(


... but small-sensor cameras all show noise at ISO 800. The technique used
in the Panasonic may well be better for small prints than that of the
Canon, but the Canon at least allows you the choice. However, if you are
serious about needing ISO 800 you wouldn't look at a small-sensor camera
but a DSLR with a fast lens (which will be rather heavy and expensive if
it has to cover the same zoom range as the Canon and Panasonic offer).

David


 
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      10-05-2006, 08:09 PM
Protoncek (ex.SleeperMan) wrote:
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> seeing that photo made with ISO800 and so much powerfull noise
> reduction breaks my heart. That photo is useless, while canon one
> indeed have plenty of noise, but it can be in great deal removed
> with, say, neat image. NOte the absence of ANY detail on panasonic
> and that on canon one all details are still there. On panasonic one
> there's nothing else to do than hit delete button.
>
> I did have S2 and i did shoot in ISO400 quite a lot, and shots came
> out decent after neat image. That's why i finally DID look on SLR and
> now i have 30D.
> The whole point is that shooting in low light with ISO800 comes out
> noisy picture, but sharp, while shooting at lower iso will give you
> less noise but blurry pic. Again there's nothing else to do with
> blurry pic than hit delete, so it's still better to have noise than
> blur, right?


Well, it's not noise reduction alone, but changing the resolution to suit
the lighting conditions, hence the sharpness is different. I downloaded
the full image and displayed it on my monitor - and it was satisfactory
for that purpose. The Canon may have looked slightly sharper, but the
greater noise may, or may not, be more pleasing to a particular viewer.

Yes, from a technical perspective, you may prefer the sharp but noisy
image, but when viewed on the screen or as a 6 x 4 inch print, other
people may prefer the smoother image.

With my Panasonic FZ5, I will shoot normally at ISO 100, reserving ISO 400
for e.g. night scenes where the noise (grain) will add some character to
the image (even if that is unfashionable today). Yes, I would welcome a
more sensitive camera, providing the package size and capability stays the
same. (I gave up carrying an SLR 24 hours a day as the whole outfit was
too heavy).

David


 
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      10-06-2006, 03:37 AM
Protoncek (ex.SleeperMan) wrote:
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> I'm not canon fan, although it might seem so. I spent 14 days looking
> for right model of SLR and i looked through all nikon, olympus,
> monilta....you name it. (sure up to a certain price range). I ended
> up with 30D since my opinion is that it's best for me, since low
> noise and High ISO was among first to decide. And, before i thought
> SLR, i've read many reviews of S3/FZ7/H5 combo and if i were to buy
> that range, i would definitely decide for S3. Not because it's Canon,
> but becasue i think it's best among them. Sure, if it would have mpeg
> movie feature it would be even nicer...but, i guess you can't have it
> all, can you?


I would compare the handling of the cameras before purchase, assuming they
are close on all other grounds. As far as I can tell from reports I have
read and pictures I have seen, the Canon S3 costs more, but has more
unwanted gimmicks and produces poorer images than the Panasonic FZ7. I
want to be free of the hassle of multiple AA cells, so I would prefer the
Panasonic over the Canon or Sony. The Sony is a bigger, heavier camera
and (to my eyes) looks ugly; using proprietary memory would also rule it
out.

No, you can't have it all - that's one reason why there is a place for
both the DSLR and the small-sensor cameras.

David


 
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      10-06-2006, 03:41 AM
Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Protoncek \(ex.SleeperMan\)" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>> seeing that photo made with ISO800 and so much powerfull noise
>> reduction breaks my heart. That photo is useless, while canon one
>> indeed have plenty of noise, but it can be in great deal removed
>> with, say, neat image.

>
> It looks to me like the Panasonic pic is out of focus. Either that,
> or it's applied NR where I don't see how neat image could do much
> better.


The Panasonic has deliberately reduced the resolution to provide fewer,
but cleaner pixels. Try viewing the image at full screen size (not 1:1
zoom) or as a 6 x 4 inch print and you'll probably find it OK.

David


 
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      10-08-2006, 01:18 PM
MaryJane Puxley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix FZ7 but
>their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd appreciate your
>advice/experience with either camera.


I compared the Canon S2IS to Panasonic FZ7. And found these differences:

S2IS FZ7
---- ----
Shuttertime max 15 30
Zoom when movie Yes No
Movie mode 640x480 30fps ?
Sound rec Stereo ?
Battery 4xR6 Propietary LiON
Flashformat SD ?

Note that S2IS "movie" mode has good quality BUT consumes abnormal amounts
of space (2MiByte/s?). Compare that to Olympus C-770 Movie with 150 KiByte/s
while still retaining good quality. Thoe Olympus lacks image stabiliser.
Canon is also recommended by many for haveing good optics. They are also known
to make keep their interface specifications from software developers.

It's not a clearcut choice between these two. It's more what aspects matter
to you..

 
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      10-08-2006, 02:49 PM
On 08 Oct 2006 13:18:43 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)d <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> MaryJane Puxley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>I am considering buying either the Canon S3 or the Panasonic Lumix FZ7 but
>>their reviews and specs are so similar that I'm stymied. I'd appreciate your
>>advice/experience with either camera.

>
> I compared the Canon S2IS to Panasonic FZ7. And found these differences:
>
> S2IS FZ7
> ---- ----
> Shuttertime max 15 30
> Zoom when movie Yes No
> Movie mode 640x480 30fps ?
> Sound rec Stereo ?
> Battery 4xR6 Propietary LiON
> Flashformat SD ?


Fill in a few blanks for the FZ7:

Max shutter: 60s
Movie mode 640x480x30, 848x480x30
Stereo sound: no
Flash: SD

(from http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz7/ )

-dms
 
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