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Duane Lee
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      06-14-2008, 04:30 AM
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I'm sure is a simple task for
those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do
not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show.
The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath
is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements
and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or
eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by
using the standard cropping tool - at least with my knowledge.

Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know
- unfortunately I am not such a person.


 
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      06-14-2008, 01:19 PM

"Duane Lee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Cropping irregular shapes
> Can someone out there help with what I'm sure is a simple task for
> those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do
> not.
> I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
> to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show.
> The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath
> is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements
> and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or
> eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by
> using the standard cropping tool - at least with my knowledge.
>
> Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know
> - unfortunately I am not such a person.
>
>

I haven't got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool ,
select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).


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Duane Lee
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      06-14-2008, 01:48 PM
Rob thanks for your help - I'm half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted
material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white"
space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
the article prior to scanning it?
Thanks,
Duane

"RobertJM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Duane Lee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:LPH4k.43351$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Cropping irregular shapes
>> Can someone out there help with what I'm sure is a simple task for
>> those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do
>> not.
>> I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
>> to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show.
>> The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath
>> is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements
>> and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or
>> eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by
>> using the standard cropping tool - at least with my knowledge.
>>
>> Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know
>> - unfortunately I am not such a person.
>>
>>

> I haven't got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool ,
> select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).
>
>
> --
> Rob
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Sir F. A. Rien
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      06-14-2008, 03:05 PM
Imagery is a rectangle only. Thus you have to have -=something=- to fill in
the deleted areas.

You can use the colour picker and select the areas and fill with some colour
or pattern that will suit.

You could, for example, select a section of the newspaper without printing
and then capture that as a pattern and fill the 'white' areas.


"Duane Lee" <(E-Mail Removed)> found these unused words:

>Rob thanks for your help - I'm half way there.
>I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted
>material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white"
>space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
>that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
>the article prior to scanning it?
>Thanks,
>Duane
>
>"RobertJM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Duane Lee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:LPH4k.43351$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Cropping irregular shapes
>>> Can someone out there help with what I'm sure is a simple task for
>>> those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do
>>> not.
>>> I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
>>> to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show.
>>> The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath
>>> is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements
>>> and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or
>>> eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by
>>> using the standard cropping tool - at least with my knowledge.
>>>
>>> Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know
>>> - unfortunately I am not such a person.
>>>
>>>

>> I haven't got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool ,
>> select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob
>>


 
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Johan W. Elzenga
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      06-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Duane Lee <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Rob thanks for your help - I'm half way there.
> I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted
> material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white"
> space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
> that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
> the article prior to scanning it?


You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image
is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if
the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and
not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is
transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change
the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by
double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to
realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency,
though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


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      06-14-2008, 05:43 PM

"Johan W. Elzenga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Duane Lee <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Rob thanks for your help - I'm half way there.
>> I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted
>> material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white"
>> space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
>> that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut
>> out
>> the article prior to scanning it?

>
> You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image
> is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if
> the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and
> not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is
> transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change
> the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by
> double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to
> realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency,
> though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.
>
>
> --
> Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
> Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com


When you say you want to use it in a slideshow, is that the old fashioned
style or
as on your PC? Don't know how/if transparent background would work on the
old style.

You could make a slightly bigger all , say black , image, paste your scan on
to it as another
layer then, with your scan layer selected, delete the white bits again, or
erase the edges roughly
for a cut out look.


PS If this all sounds amateurish , it's because I am


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      06-14-2008, 06:16 PM
"RobertJM" wrote:
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>PS If this all sounds amateurish , it's because I am


Being amateurish is wonderful, because
that is where experimenters are from:-)

http://dave.photos.gb.net/p50434066.html

 
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      06-14-2008, 08:50 PM
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:11:12 +0200, (E-Mail Removed)lid (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

>You do have to
>realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency,
>though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


....Had the Joint Photographic Experts Group approved ISO 10918-1's
original plan to include a "transparency bit" to give their images a
"non-color" to use for transparencies, this wouldn't be a problem and
GIF would possibly be about as extinct as original ZIP is today. The
problem is that nobody at the JPEG group envisioned the usefulness of
having a high-resolution image that could "float" on any background,
such as the ones that would be needed for the
then-still-in-the-distance World Wide Web. Granted, PNGs allow for
transparency, but you can't get anywhere near the compression *and*
quality you'd expect from a JPEG when trying to get the PNG down to a
more bandwidth-friendly size.

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      06-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Johan
I certainly appreciate yours and everyone's help in trying to solve my
problem - it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first
anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have
now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through
your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a
"white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have
any other ideas - I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS
Elements beat me on this one".
"Johan W. Elzenga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:1iijbes.bjsls8e019eeN%(E-Mail Removed).. .
> Duane Lee <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Rob thanks for your help - I'm half way there.
>> I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted
>> material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white"
>> space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
>> that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut
>> out
>> the article prior to scanning it?

>
> You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image
> is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if
> the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and
> not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is
> transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change
> the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by
> double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to
> realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency,
> though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.
>
>
> --
> Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
> Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com


 
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      06-14-2008, 10:15 PM
Duane Lee wrote:
> Johan
> I certainly appreciate yours and everyone's help in trying to solve my
> problem - it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first
> anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I
> have now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone
> through your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I
> still get a "white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file.
> Unless you have any other ideas - I guess I will "throw up my hands" and
> say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".


I do not know Elements, but it supposedly strives to be helpful and
simple, so look under the Help menu and see if it has what Photoshop
used to have - "Save with transparency". It will guide you through the
steps.
 
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