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Hi,

I've been looking at HD camcorders, but then it hit me: Just how much
hard drive space will I need to store my videos. I'm sure I'm not the
first one to ask this question, but I can't find a online resource. Is
there one?

Aaron

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:42:36 -0800 (PST), in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <HD space requirements>,
Aaron Fude <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've been looking at HD camcorders, but then it hit me: Just how much
>hard drive space will I need to store my videos. I'm sure I'm not the
>first one to ask this question, but I can't find a online resource. Is
>there one?

Aaron, I'd suggest that you use the AJA Data Rate Calculator
Application as a guide. It's a free download from the following URL's.

There's a Mac version...

AJA Data Rate Calculator Application Version 2
http://www.aja.com/html/support_konaLHe_swd.html

And a Windows version...

AJA Data Rate Calculator Application Version 1.0.0.3 for Windows
http://www.aja.com/html/support_xenaLHe_swd.html

>Aaron

HTH.

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
(also covers AVCHD and XDCAM EX).

Aaron Fude wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been looking at HD camcorders, but then it hit me: Just how much
> hard drive space will I need to store my videos. I'm sure I'm not the
> first one to ask this question, but I can't find a online resource. Is
> there one?

It's about the same as Mini DV, 13G per hour. Of course, if you bought
an HDV camcorder you would simply archive the camera tapes and keep only
the edited footage on your hard drives.

Gary Eickmeier

Thanks for the responses.

I would like to purchase an HDD or Flash memory camera. Do they
automatically encode?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:35:13 -0800 (PST), Aaron Fude <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Thanks for the responses.
>
>I would like to purchase an HDD or Flash memory camera. Do they
>automatically encode?

Well, those responses haven't been that good, as you didn't say what kind
of HD ou're looing into!

-m-
--
Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:26:57 +0000, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <Re: HD space requirements>,
Martin Heffels <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:35:13 -0800 (PST), Aaron Fude <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the responses.

>
>Well, those responses haven't been that good,

Well, I liked MY response!

>as you didn't say what kind of HD ou're looing into!

Actually, I had suggested the AJA Data Rate Calculator Application
partially *because* the OP hadn't been specific. It covers a number of
formats and allows some customization as well.

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
(also covers AVCHD and XDCAM EX).

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:18:31 -0500, Frank
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Actually, I had suggested the AJA Data Rate Calculator Application
>partially *because* the OP hadn't been specific. It covers a number of
>formats and allows some customization as well.

Oh, just had a peek into that one. Nice :-) Thanks for the link!

cheers

-martin-
--
Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:24:46 +0000, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <Re: HD space requirements>,
Martin Heffels <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:18:31 -0500, Frank
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I had suggested the AJA Data Rate Calculator Application
>>partially *because* the OP hadn't been specific. It covers a number of
>>formats and allows some customization as well.
>
>Oh, just had a peek into that one. Nice :-) Thanks for the link!

You're quite welcome, sir!

>cheers

Happy Valentine's Day!

>-martin-

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
(also covers AVCHD and XDCAM EX).

On Feb 13, 7:42*pm, Aaron Fude <aaronf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been looking at HD camcorders, but then it hit me: Just how much
> hard drive space will I need to store my videos. I'm sure I'm not the
> first one to ask this question, but I can't find a online resource. Is
> there one?
>
> Aaron

Let's back up a second Aaron. Looking at your second post, as
considering HDD and Flash memory camcorders, the question indicates
you really are confused on this.
1) I'm only talking about Hi Def camcorders here
2) What is your budget? If you are looking at HDD, then you are
looking at a consumer camcorder, usually under $1,000. If Flash
memory, then it's either a really cheap consumer one, or a pro one at
over $4,000. Let's say consumer is under $1,000, prosumer is $1,000
to $3-4,000, and over is pro cameras.
3) In general, the HDD and DVD cameras use AVCHD to store clips. This
is rank consumer, not used by pro sumer or pros. Recommend you stay
away.
4) At this time, the best combination of quality, easy to edit, and
best combination of price and quality is still tape. Sorry, but
that's it for now. Tape drives are cheap for manufacturers, reliable,
great storage/archive media, and tapes are cheap to buy. There is
some tape noise, they are larger than Flash memory, but it's still the
choice of pro-sumers, and even some low end pros. Look at HDV
cameras. The Canon HV20 is still best bang for buck here. I have two
Sony HDV cameras.

Hard drive space really isn't a problem for pro-sumers and less. It
will be about 13 gigs/hour (HDV), but plan on about 1.5 to 2X that for
productons with editing saves, added stills, intermediate renders,
final render, and making multiple versions, as in SD, HD, and youTube
or web versions. If all this is Greek to you, then just get a fast
computer with at least 2 gig RAM, and at least 300 gig hard drive
space to begin with, get the HV20 and jump in. I have 2.5Tbytes in 6
internal drives, plus several external drives. But then, I'm fairly
serious as an amateur.

Plan on editing taking up all your free time. As a amateur, I take
about 2-3 hours or more for every MINUTE of finished video
production. And again, I'm not the meticulous pro. A 10 minute
production takes me 20 to 30 hours. Capture, edit, edit more, edit
more, title, music, voice over, credits, render, burn copies, create
artwork for printing on DVD and case wrapper, print on DVD and
assemble into a finished case. And I just give them away to friends.
It is either in your blood, or it isn't.

Jim McGauhey
Washington State
working primarily on underwater scuba videos
search scubajam on youTube for low res samples

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:30:02 -0500, Frank
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Happy Valentine's Day!

Uhm, thanks, but in my homecountry (Netherlands), Valentine's day is an
imported thing, and only a few people celebrate it, so it's not very
common.
I found out the other day, that in Japan they celebrate a sort of V-day
twice. Once on 14 Feb, the girls send their "hearts" to the boys, and 14
March the boys have to return their's. Clever Japanese, twice the amount of
fun :-))

Let's say, your wish was for everybody else who _does_ celebrate V-Day ;-)

-martin-
--
Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk