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      01-07-2004, 06:56 PM

just a note to see if anybody has a solution to this..

For the last however many years I have been developing websites usin
photoshop for design and fireworks for slicing and export. Firework
had the ability to export nested tables, meaning: 1)it worked, exporte
even complex tables without error, 2)easier to modify, one could jus
extract a table from a page and put in a new file without the layou
breaking.

Anyway, with photoshop cs, and the ability of imageready cs to expor
nested tables (finally) I thought it would mean an end to going bac
and forth from photoshop to fireworks to preserve future editability
Alas, adobe still havent managed to create what is in fact a simpl
feature. Yes you can group slices together into a nested table, but 1
you can only nest 1 level deep, 2)it creates "autoslices". Thes
autoslices seemingly cannot be turned off. i.e. the exported region i
the entire page.

I often design sites that are in a centralised table. However, becaus
of the above i cannot select only the slices i wish to export (i.e. th
part i wish to centralise) without imageready inserting it
"autoslices", meaning i cannot cleanly extract the area i wish t
(since its not in a table of its own).

So I guess my question is, is there any way to turn off autoslices, o
just export selected slices to html?

If not I am astonished, - surely other developers would want thi
also?

thx in advanc

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      01-07-2004, 10:58 PM
I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!

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      01-08-2004, 01:15 AM

so it would seem..
I have been searching everywhere for info on this, and cant find
thing..

The only "solution" I have come up with is to modify the canvas size s
the desired slices fill the entire page, however this isn't
workaround i look forward to doing.. (fiddly and inflexible to say th
least)

I find the ommission of the ability to turn off autoslices ver
puzzling. From a programming perspective its not difficult. I say thi
because a year ago myself and a colleague actually wrote an imag
slicer in C that exported slices in nested tables. (i figured th
algorithm out from playing around with fireworks). It was incredibl
messy and confusing (im not the worlds greatest programmer), but i
worked.

Furthermore from my experiments in figuring out the algorithm it seeme
the only way to guarantee a table structure based on slices would wor
was to use nested tables (colspans, rowspans and shims are easil
breakable). Why Adobe havent yet implemented true nested table slicin
aka fireworks is odd, since it would be presumably trivial to thei
programmers..

I'm kinda interested now in how other developers convert their imag
layouts to html, I have to assume my chosen method isnt widespread (o
adobe would have implemented true nested exports), though i wouldn
want to be fiddling about deleting <td rowspan=10>'s and trying to mak
the table work (when editing the export).

I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on this subject..

Ro

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      01-08-2004, 01:16 AM
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
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>I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
>Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
>(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
>
>John
>

No, you're not. However, the difference with me is that I don't
even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
compression is better. And when you include things like selective
compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
web design field would even consider using IR.

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      01-08-2004, 01:44 AM
Hecate wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
>>Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
>>(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
>>
>>John
>>

>
> No, you're not. However, the difference with me is that I don't
> even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
> waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
> ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
> compression is better. And when you include things like selective
> compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
> really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
> web design field would even consider using IR.
>
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do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??

and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
is that a waste of time as well?

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      01-08-2004, 06:13 AM
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> So I guess my question is, is there any way to turn off autoslices, or
> just export selected slices to html?


Not certain this is what you want, but according to the manual for PS7:
1) Select the slices you want to save.
2) Slices>Save Slice Selection
3) File>Save Optimized As, and set the slices option
to the name of the saved slice selection.


 
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      01-09-2004, 12:59 AM
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:44:30 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
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>Hecate wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
>>>Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
>>>(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
>>>
>>>John
>>>

>>
>> No, you're not. However, the difference with me is that I don't
>> even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
>> waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
>> ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
>> compression is better. And when you include things like selective
>> compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
>> really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
>> web design field would even consider using IR.
>>
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>> Hecate
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>do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??


Yes, when you install. If you do a custom install you can deselect IR.
Best use of a mouse click I know.

>and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
>is that a waste of time as well?
>

Totally. That's what, amongst other things, Fireworks is for.

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      01-09-2004, 02:18 AM
OK! YOu persuaded me!!
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>>do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??

>
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> Yes, when you install. If you do a custom install you can deselect IR.
> Best use of a mouse click I know.
>
>
>>and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
>>is that a waste of time as well?
>>

>
> Totally. That's what, amongst other things, Fireworks is for.
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      01-10-2004, 12:42 AM
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:18:53 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
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>OK! YOu persuaded me!!
>>>

LOL! ;-)

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      01-10-2004, 02:24 AM
Hecate wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:18:53 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
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>>OK! YOu persuaded me!!
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> LOL! ;-)
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in all seriousness, do you know if you can uninstall Image Ready without
uninstalling Photoshop??

i am just curious! :]

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