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I have a Schneider lens that I would like to use on a Sony DXC M3
camera, but the connector seems to be a different size. Is there some
sort of adapter I can get to make this work, or do I have to buy a
lens that is made for the Sony connection? It is a bayonette mount
lens, and fits the camera, but I can not connect the zoom to the
camera.

I also need to find out if there is a power supply other than the CMA
8 that can be used to power the camera. I am looking for a lens and
power supply to be able to use this camera, but our organization does
not have a budget for this. We would prefer to be able to adapt what
we have, or find something really cheap (or donated for tax deduction
;-)) for our work. It is even tough to find an affordable tripod for
our work, too. Please contact me directly at rampartslo at aol.com.
Thank you.

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First off: Don't try to rescue this camera. The M-3 was a only a so-so
camera even in its day (which was in 1983 or so). AND it's a tube camera,
so the tubes are probably worn out anyway. Not to mention the capacitors.
My guess is that it was given to you BECAUSE it was worn out, and someone
got a decent tax write off. And since it's a tube camera, you will be
forever dealing with registration issues. AND you still need some kind of
deck to record on. Unless you're a real engineer (which you're not, because
you're asking basic questions), you don't have any business with this camera
in the first place. You should buy a $500 DV camera, and a beachtek
adapter, and enjoy life. Heck, the deck alone will probably cost you this
much. AND you can take the firewire output of teh camera direct to your
computer to edit.

However, if you are determined to ignore this good advice, here's how to do
it :

For the PS :

There is a 4-pin input for the power. Buy a Radio Shack or other Power
supply of at least 3 amps (more if you want to run a deck). Then get a
4-pin XLR from your local electronics supply house. Wire pin 4 hot and pin
1 ground. Leave the other 2 empty, they're not used.

For the Lens :

Buy a 1/2" lens with a sony 6-pin connector. It should be about $100. Post
your need in rec.video.marketplace, or look on eBay.

OR Buy an adapter. Check with Horst at Alpine Electronics in FL. I think
Orlando, but I'm not sure. It should be about $200. Before you do try the
lens with the camera, and make sure it all works. Even if the picture looks
fine, you have no way or testing the zoom motor. I don't know about the
Schneiders, but the Fuji's of that era were notorious for developing sticky
zooms.

Again, don't do this. Buy something more modern. It will COST you less. I
promise.

Steve



"Rampart SLO" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I have a Schneider lens that I would like to use on a Sony DXC M3
> camera, but the connector seems to be a different size. Is there some
> sort of adapter I can get to make this work, or do I have to buy a
> lens that is made for the Sony connection? It is a bayonette mount
> lens, and fits the camera, but I can not connect the zoom to the
> camera.
>
> I also need to find out if there is a power supply other than the CMA
> 8 that can be used to power the camera. I am looking for a lens and
> power supply to be able to use this camera, but our organization does
> not have a budget for this. We would prefer to be able to adapt what
> we have, or find something really cheap (or donated for tax deduction
> ;-)) for our work. It is even tough to find an affordable tripod for
> our work, too. Please contact me directly at rampartslo at aol.com.
> Thank you.

Oh yeah - - that power supply should be rated at 12v - 15v, regulated.

Steve


"Steve Guidry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Print and show this note to your administrator, or whomever is making you
> "do more with less".
>
>
> First off: Don't try to rescue this camera. The M-3 was a only a so-so
> camera even in its day (which was in 1983 or so). AND it's a tube camera,
> so the tubes are probably worn out anyway. Not to mention the capacitors.
> My guess is that it was given to you BECAUSE it was worn out, and someone
> got a decent tax write off. And since it's a tube camera, you will be
> forever dealing with registration issues. AND you still need some kind of
> deck to record on. Unless you're a real engineer (which you're not,
because
> you're asking basic questions), you don't have any business with this
camera
> in the first place. You should buy a $500 DV camera, and a beachtek
> adapter, and enjoy life. Heck, the deck alone will probably cost you this
> much. AND you can take the firewire output of teh camera direct to your
> computer to edit.
>
> However, if you are determined to ignore this good advice, here's how to
do
> it :
>
> For the PS :
>
> There is a 4-pin input for the power. Buy a Radio Shack or other Power
> supply of at least 3 amps (more if you want to run a deck). Then get a
> 4-pin XLR from your local electronics supply house. Wire pin 4 hot and
pin
> 1 ground. Leave the other 2 empty, they're not used.
>
> For the Lens :
>
> Buy a 1/2" lens with a sony 6-pin connector. It should be about $100.
Post
> your need in rec.video.marketplace, or look on eBay.
>
> OR Buy an adapter. Check with Horst at Alpine Electronics in FL. I
think
> Orlando, but I'm not sure. It should be about $200. Before you do try
the
> lens with the camera, and make sure it all works. Even if the picture
looks
> fine, you have no way or testing the zoom motor. I don't know about the
> Schneiders, but the Fuji's of that era were notorious for developing
sticky
> zooms.
>
> Again, don't do this. Buy something more modern. It will COST you less.
I
> promise.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> "Rampart SLO" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > I have a Schneider lens that I would like to use on a Sony DXC M3
> > camera, but the connector seems to be a different size. Is there some
> > sort of adapter I can get to make this work, or do I have to buy a
> > lens that is made for the Sony connection? It is a bayonette mount
> > lens, and fits the camera, but I can not connect the zoom to the
> > camera.
> >
> > I also need to find out if there is a power supply other than the CMA
> > 8 that can be used to power the camera. I am looking for a lens and
> > power supply to be able to use this camera, but our organization does
> > not have a budget for this. We would prefer to be able to adapt what
> > we have, or find something really cheap (or donated for tax deduction
> > ;-)) for our work. It is even tough to find an affordable tripod for
> > our work, too. Please contact me directly at rampartslo at aol.com.
> > Thank you.
>
>

Sorry to come in on this late, but I have to agree, having used them, you are
throwing good money after bad trying to refurb and use this M-3.

In low light or what we think of in 2004 as existing light, it's performance
is right up there with Stevie Wonder. Heck, we replaced our M3's with M7's
years ago, and we wouldn't use an M7 now for anything but keeping the bass boat
from drifiting out of position. i doubt you can even find a new imaging tube
for it, and it's a sure bet the one in it is burned or worn out. They weren't
all that good new: when we lost an Ikegami 77, the insurance replaced that one
Iki with three m-3s, full studio configs, same cost as the one iki... That's
the difference in value.

If saving money and working on a budget is your aim, this M3 is a total rat
hole: you need to unload it for whatever you can get for it immediately. Stat.
pronto. Forthwith. And sever all ties with the con man who palmed it off on
you. Any money you have or get should be put towards *any* kind of more modern
Dv camcorder, refurbed ones can be had for less money than you'll spend just
trying to adapt the lens and power supplies, hell, you will spend more for a
tripod and quick release mounting plate for the M3 than you will on a brand
spanking new Canon optura. WITH WARRANTY! Not to mention firewire, and thus
access to truly inexpensive (even free) editing tools. I hate to be shrill
about it but this is like watching a kitten walking into traffic, I HAVE to
shout.

DUMP THE M-3 NOW! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!

(there, i feel better now)

(E-Mail Removed) (MSu1049321) wrote in
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> DUMP THE M-3 NOW! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!

Oi! Dump a cheap colour bar generator???<G>

Derry

LOL, Derry. I'd take a portable chart over the M3 any time, actually more
useful and lighter.

My wife says I have a permanent curve in my spine from hauling the tripod, M3,
with 2-barrel Frezzi light, anton baur brick, CCU cable, umatic portable
recorder, and lead-acid bandolier for the light around all day single-handed.
Heck, back in my 30's I could run and jog short distances with that lot draped
all over me. Went thru three or four sound men, they all dropped like flies or
surreptitiously disconnected my umbilical and left me running around with the
camera and no deck... They make the gear smaller and lighter as I get older and
weaker... so far, I'm just keeping pace with it, because even though my current
gear is a fraction of the weight, the bag now also shares space with light
kits and accessories... oi, indeed;-)

On 4 Mar 2004 06:51:41 GMT, Derry Argue
<derry(delete)@adviegundogs.co.uk> wrote:

>(E-Mail Removed) (MSu1049321) wrote in
>news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> DUMP THE M-3 NOW! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!
>
>Oi! Dump a cheap colour bar generator???<G>
>
>Derry

JEEES! I dumped my M-3's ages ago. Big, bulky and HEAVY.
Not to mention a juice hog.
How did we ever manage in the early days with all the tons of crap we
used to have to drag around.
If I had to do it now at my age I'd change professions.

(E-Mail Removed) (MSu1049321) wrote in
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> LOL, Derry. I'd take a portable chart over the M3 any time,
> actually more useful and lighter.(Snip)

Well, I have taken the DV plunge and now use one of those nasty
little PD150's. Nasty? YES! I can't see the goddam buttoms
without putting my glasses on and I am forever touching
something which comes up with yet another function I'll never
use!<G>

The M7 and a couple of V08800's are still sitting in the corner
of the office waiting for the day when the poisoned dwarf breaks
down. And I am NOT giving up my old BVU900 suite for anyone!

I suppose we ought to raise the old quality arguement next. I
shot some footage on DVCAM the other day that was needed for
court, then found my VHS recorder had gone on strike. I'd dumped
the DV to BVU for editing, then recorded it back to DV so I took
this tape along to a production house for a VHS copy.

While dubbing my footage to VHS, their editor was sounding off
about the wonderfully sharp quality of digital and the vibrant
colours. I did not like to tell her it was DV to BVU to BVU to
DV!<VBG>

Derry

On 5 Mar 2004 08:41:34 GMT, Derry Argue
<derry(delete)@adviegundogs.co.uk> wrote:

>(E-Mail Removed) (MSu1049321) wrote in
>news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> LOL, Derry. I'd take a portable chart over the M3 any time,
>> actually more useful and lighter.(Snip)
>
>Well, I have taken the DV plunge and now use one of those nasty
>little PD150's. Nasty? YES! I can't see the goddam buttoms
>without putting my glasses on and I am forever touching
>something which comes up with yet another function I'll never
>use!<G>
>
>The M7 and a couple of V08800's are still sitting in the corner
>of the office waiting for the day when the poisoned dwarf breaks
>down. And I am NOT giving up my old BVU900 suite for anyone!
>
>I suppose we ought to raise the old quality arguement next. I
>shot some footage on DVCAM the other day that was needed for
>court, then found my VHS recorder had gone on strike. I'd dumped
>the DV to BVU for editing, then recorded it back to DV so I took
>this tape along to a production house for a VHS copy.
>
>While dubbing my footage to VHS, their editor was sounding off
>about the wonderfully sharp quality of digital and the vibrant
>colours. I did not like to tell her it was DV to BVU to BVU to
>DV!<VBG>
>
>Derry

Well you do have a point about most DV cams being too small for easy
use.
I have a problem with the viewfinders of my smaller one's not being
able to adjust the dioptic enought o compensate for my old eyes.
I'm having to pack a pair of bifocals with me just to see the
viewfinder well enough to compose.
That aside I'm glad to get away from all the tons of gear I used to
have to drag around just to get 230-300 lines of useable video.
(I started out in film and cursed the day we had to swap "up" to video
cameras. I liked working with 16/35mm mopic, it beat early video hands
down for quality and all you needed was a camera and a mag or two of
film)
Time has marched on tho' and video has finally reached the level where
film quality work can be achieved with equipment so small and light
that we couldn't have dreamed of it even 20 years ago.
There'll always be pro's and con's to any medium, I'm happy with the
current state myself.