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The new Nikon D90, retailing for approx. $1000 in the USA, can also
do movies with sound. This means you can use your Nikon lenses from
Micro to Telephoto and shoot digital videos as well as still images.

In message news:MP-(E-Mail Removed), Alan Browne
<(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:

> And the movies aren't 1080p compliant ... so what's the point?
> Computer monitors are mostly in the 1920 x 1200 range as well.

Why did you buy a monitor that's not compliant with a 12mp camera? Do you
enjoy seeing only 17% of the pixels your camera captured? Or do you enjoy
scrolling back and forth to see each sixth of your pictures at full
resolution?

Alan Browne may be naïve about what he is actually seeing on his hi
definition television, regardless of whether or not it is rated at 1080p,
unless he only watches Bluray connected through HDMI. However if he has any
kind of LCD panel he is not seeing what he thinks he is seeing, regardless
of specs.
The 790p video format in the D90 is a logical evolution for any cameras with
live view.
Alan Brown is lucky if anything he sees on his hi def television even
approaches the potential of the quality of the video images the D90 should
easily be capable of rendering.
In fact most tests show that viewers cannot distinguish a 1080 from a 720
resolution image at normal viewing distances. This is why, apart from cost,
Bluray has been a market dud to date.
I swore I would sit out at least two generations more of Nikon dSLRs but the
announced specs of the D90 have definitely gotten my attention.
If initial reviews of production D90s support Nikon's first published
descriptions I may not be able to resist.

"Jake" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Frank Arthur" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Pejtk.17738$(E-Mail Removed). ..
>> The new Nikon D90, retailing for approx. $1000 in the USA, can also
>> do movies with sound. This means you can use your Nikon lenses from
>> Micro to Telephoto and shoot digital videos as well as still
>> images.
>
>
> Maybe I should buy this to fix my car then:
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leatherman-S...9871158&sr=1-1
>
> I can see where Nikon are coming from though. I can just imagine
> the shop assistant saying that "It also shoots video".
>
> Come-on though! Nikon have been putting out some good spec bodies,
> but this type of rubbish is giving a negative image to Nikon DSLR's.
Some people find joy, pleasure and happiness. Others find rubbish,
misery and unhappiness. Unfortunately too many of the latter post
here.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:18:17 -0400, Alan Browne rushed:

> What a laugh! Thanks.
>
. . .

>> The 790p video format in the D90 is a logical evolution for any cameras
>
> That's "720", but I guess you were just drooling to get your little
> missive out and couldn't type patiently.
>
> You should be careful though about selecting Plasma over LCD if
> the viewing room is brightly lit (naturally or otherwise) in the area
> behing the viewer

"behing"? That's "behind", but I guess you were just drooling to
get your little missive out and couldn't type patiently.

What a laugh! Thanks, eh?.

In message news:(E-Mail Removed) , Alan
Browne <(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:

> That80sGuy wrote:
>> In message news:MP-(E-Mail Removed), Alan
>> Browne <(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:
>>
>>> And the movies aren't 1080p compliant ... so what's the point?
>>> Computer monitors are mostly in the 1920 x 1200 range as well.
>>
>> Why did you buy a monitor that's not compliant with a 12mp camera? Do
>> you enjoy seeing only 17% of the pixels your camera captured? Or do
>> you enjoy scrolling back and forth to see each sixth of your pictures
>> at full resolution?
>
> Nice try, but misses the point quite entirely.
>
> 12 mpix cameras produce lovely prints at 15" x 10" or so, higher with a
> little care. That is the point of a 12 Mpix camera.
>
> OTOH, the point of a consumer video camera is to fill a consumers
> television set ... which today is 1080p at the upper end.

"Consumers" != "Upper End." BD and 1080p displays are still in "early
adopter gearhead" mode years after introduction. The market for the D90
isn't going to care about 1080p video, because that market doesn't have
1080p televisions.

In message news:(E-Mail Removed) , Alan Browne
<(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:

> the two videostores I
> use have most titles available in blu-ray as well as DVD.

"Most titles"? You must believe moviemaking started in 2003.

Richard wrote:

> And here I thought the primary goal was to snare soccer moms with that movie
> feature.

Hmmmmm. The acronym "smilf" just entered my head. Not that I've ever
seen that variant (of the term) before......


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Alan Browne wrote:
> That80sGuy wrote:
>> In message news:(E-Mail Removed) , Alan
>> Browne <(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:
>>> That80sGuy wrote:
>>>> In message news:MP-(E-Mail Removed), Alan
>>>> Browne <(E-Mail Removed)> done wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the movies aren't 1080p compliant ... so what's the point?
>>>>> Computer monitors are mostly in the 1920 x 1200 range as well.
>>>> Why did you buy a monitor that's not compliant with a 12mp camera? Do
>>>> you enjoy seeing only 17% of the pixels your camera captured? Or do
>>>> you enjoy scrolling back and forth to see each sixth of your pictures
>>>> at full resolution?
>>> Nice try, but misses the point quite entirely.
>>>
>>> 12 mpix cameras produce lovely prints at 15" x 10" or so, higher with a
>>> little care. That is the point of a 12 Mpix camera.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the point of a consumer video camera is to fill a consumers
>>> television set ... which today is 1080p at the upper end.
>>
>> "Consumers" != "Upper End." BD and 1080p displays are still in "early
>> adopter gearhead" mode years after introduction. The market for the
>> D90 isn't going to care about 1080p video, because that market doesn't
>> have 1080p televisions.
>
> a) The first place you missed the point and fell off the cliff was your
> somewhat lame issue on monitors not compliant with 12 mpix cameras.
>
> b) 1080p is indeed the upper end of _consumer_ televisions. Your self
> satisfying equation is not, in fact, reality.
>
> c) 1080p Consumer "camcorders" have been available for a year or so at
> the $1000 level. 10 years ago, "consumers" were paying twice that (and
> more) for VHS camcorders ... in then year dollars at that.
>
> d) I hardly know anyone who has a 720 HD television. It's all 1080p.
> One fellow I do know is looking to step up. You don't need to be rich
> to have a 42" or so 1080p + blu-ray player.
>
> Clear 'nuff?
>
> Oh. Look, 2160 [aka 4K] (not sure if "p" or "i") is already poking its
> head up: (4096 x 2160)
> http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061004/121902/
>
> Now that will be for high end consumers! ... for a while, anyway. Then
> everyone will get it...

I'll bet the movies for that cost $5,000 each
Or for $17,000 you can make your own:
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/h...urrentPage=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UHDV.svg
And use your old SLR lenses.


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:45:45 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

>>>> The 790p video format in the D90 is a logical evolution for any cameras
>>>
>>> That's "720", but I guess you were just drooling to get your little
>>> missive out and couldn't type patiently.
>>>
>>> You should be careful though about selecting Plasma over LCD if
>>> the viewing room is brightly lit (naturally or otherwise) in the area
>>> behing the viewer
>>
>> "behing"? That's "behind", but I guess you were just drooling to
>> get your little missive out and couldn't type patiently.
>>
>> What a laugh! Thanks, eh?.
>
> You're welcome. I put that in there for Mr. Trouble for some face
> saving rebuttal. You ruined it for him.
>
> But glad you enjoyed.

Your credibility drops another notch, Mr. Mendacity. There's no
way that you can convince anyone that you were trying to help Mr.
Trouble save face. Just the opposite, you were trying to insult and
bait him. You didn't appreciate being told that you were naïve,
responding with this :

>> Alan Browne may be naïve about what he is actually seeing on his hi
>> definition television, regardless of whether or not it is rated at
>> 1080p, unless he only watches Bluray connected through HDMI.
>
> What a laugh! Thanks.

Not a laugh of happiness, I'd say. Rather your usual smug,
supercilious reply intended to imply that you know better. Then :

>> The 790p video format in the D90 is a logical evolution for any cameras
>
> That's "720", but I guess you were just drooling to get your little
> missive out and couldn't type patiently.

Do you think anyone is really gullible enough to think that this
wasn't more of the same? Nope, only someone with a real nasty
streak would point out a typo this way. Most people would consider
that to be such an obvious typo as to not be worthy of comment.

Then your closing comment, complete with disingenuous smiley.

> Anyway, please do entertain us with you talent and submit some photos to
> the shootin.
>
> ;-)

Yep. That "proves" that you're just being Mr. Nice Guy, doesn't
it? If you were a nicer guy and had a better attitude, perhaps
your shootin would be more popular. After all of the insults, this
would hardly be expected to entice 'trouble' into joining your
shootin.

But I do hope it's a resounding success.

[see how that works?]