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      03-04-2005, 03:04 AM
Does anyone have any info about what will the next prosumer generation
cameras look like? How many "megapixels"?
The next generation of sony 828, nikon 8800?


 
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      03-04-2005, 04:54 AM
".::SuperBLUE::." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any info about what will the next prosumer generation
> cameras look like? How many "megapixels"?
> The next generation of sony 828, nikon 8800?
>
>


And a sincere one, too. If the Sony 828 and Nikon 8800 are "prosumer"
cameras, then what is the Canon 20D? In the film days, cameras like the
Canon A2 were prosumer SLRs, slotted below the pro level 1n, but above the
consumer Rebel and Elan. The 20D slots below the 1D mkII and 1Ds mkII, and
above the Rebel. Wouldn't that make it a "prosumer" camera?

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      03-04-2005, 07:52 AM
Steven M. Scharf wrote:
> ".::SuperBLUE::." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Does anyone have any info about what will the next prosumer
>> generation cameras look like? How many "megapixels"?
>> The next generation of sony 828, nikon 8800?

>
> They've about maxxed out the resolution, unless someone decides to do
> a larger sensor, and/or a CMOS sensor.
>
> I'd almost say that the next prosumer camera is a consumer D-SLR like
> the EOS-350D.


Agreed about resolution - possibly 7Mp is a better compromise than 8Mp.

I would have bought the 8800 if its lens hadn't been so small an aperture
at full zoom (f/4.9), and people still complain about the slow speeds of
many cameras, so there are two areas which could be improved. Selling
speed isn't as easy as selling on number of megapixels, of course! I'd
also like to see the image-stabilised zooms come down from the focal
length range 36 - 432mm (Panasonic FZ20) to 24 - 288mm, but that's
optically much more challenging. How about building lens distortion
correction into the firmware?

Cheers,
David


 
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      03-04-2005, 06:03 PM
bmoag wrote:
> The optical and mechanical properties of any
> individual lens will be far less important than they are now. This is
> already happening.


There's still only so much you can do with software to correct poor
optics. There's no reason these advances should be limited to lower end
cameras though. DSLR makers could easily put the transformation
algorithms on a chip in the individual lenses.

> A second line of development, also easier if the lens is fixed to the
> camera, would involve in camera processing of data coming off the sensor to
> widen the apparent exposure latitude of the sensor. A simple example would


Nikon has had that in the Coolpix line to an extent for years. The call
it contrast adjustment. I find the expansion more useful than the
compression, by and large.

Bob

 
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      03-04-2005, 07:25 PM
some general thoughts:
the race for higher resolution dominates present camera models. this will
probably peter out when we reach 25 Megs - about the resolution of decent
oldfashioned film cameras. I'd say, give it another 2 yrs.
my personal suggestion for the next generation: a built-in tap for
piping-hot, freshly-brewed coffee.

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> Does anyone have any info about what will the next prosumer generation
> cameras look like? How many "megapixels"?
> The next generation of sony 828, nikon 8800?
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      03-05-2005, 02:13 AM
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> In article <MRRVd.43916$xt.29880@fed1read07>, Skip M says...
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>> And a sincere one, too. If the Sony 828 and Nikon 8800 are "prosumer"
>> cameras, then what is the Canon 20D?

>
> It's a DLSR. Cameras as the Sony 828, Olympus 8080, Canon G2 are all
> prosumers. There has always been a consensus about this.
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> Olympus 8080 resource - http://myolympus.org/8080/


Alfred, often you constitute a consensus of one. Of course, the 20D is a
DSLR, that wasn't in question. Isn't there a distinction between a
"prosumer" fixed lens camera and a "prosumer" DSLR? Because the 20D isn't a
full on pro camera, like the 1D mkII, nor is it a consumer grade camera,
like the RebelD/300D.
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      03-05-2005, 02:16 AM
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> The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras.
> Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1
> cameras;
>


I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds...
And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera.

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      03-05-2005, 04:35 AM
"Skip M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:TD8Wd.44056$xt.13029
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> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras.
>> Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1
>> cameras;

>
> I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds...
> And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera.


"Prosumer" is a meaningless category. Pros use what works, whether that's a
$20K Canon or a beat up OM-1. Consumers use whatever they want. A
"prosumer" is presumably a serious photographer, or at least wants very
fine equipment. His needs are not mutually exclusive from either
professionals or consumers, but there is no common thread between various
prosumers in the same way that there is between professional s who simply
demand reliable high performance.

 
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      03-05-2005, 04:53 AM
"bmoag" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>If software could be used, in camera or in computer, to correct or create
>lens aberrations effects, why would one need or want an SLR with its larger
>and heavier form factor? The optical and mechanical properties of any
>individual lens will be far less important than they are now.


I think you vastly overrate software correction of aberrations.

There is one aberration, geometric distortion, that is well-suited to
correction in this manner. If a lens has only geometric distortion, all
the light from a point in the subject converges to a single point in the
image, so the image is *sharp*, but the point isn't in quite the right
place. The process of fixing the image is simply one of taking a sharp
image and slightly "warping" it to put the pixels in the right spot
geometrically. This isn't too expensive, and can be done with almost no
loss of picture information.

But pretty much all other lens aberrations map a point in the subject to
an *area* in the image. The distribution of the light depends on which
aberration you're talking about, but the effect is loss of sharpness
that you can't generally get back. Some information from the source is
lost forever, no matter how much computer power you're prepared to throw
at the problem.

Dave
 
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      03-05-2005, 05:28 AM
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>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras.
>>> Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1
>>> cameras;

>>
>> I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds...
>> And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera.

>
> "Prosumer" is a meaningless category. Pros use what works, whether that's
> a
> $20K Canon or a beat up OM-1. Consumers use whatever they want. A
> "prosumer" is presumably a serious photographer, or at least wants very
> fine equipment. His needs are not mutually exclusive from either
> professionals or consumers, but there is no common thread between various
> prosumers in the same way that there is between professional s who simply
> demand reliable high performance.
>


Do you have a better term to describe a camera that is aimed higher than the
lowest common denominator entry level and the full blown
take-it-to-the-Arctic professional grade camera? I'm not happy with the
term "prosumer," much like I'm not happy with most manufactured terminology,
but there doesn't seem to be a more appropriate one available, or in use.

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