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Noons
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      03-05-2012, 09:09 AM
Hi folks.
I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are relatively old
and may not reflect what is available nowadays.

What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or equivalent
tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for photography?
Price is not an issue.

My monitor is starting to change too much to often and while still satisfactory,
I find it increasingly needs me to spend half an hour or so calibrating it
carefully against known images.

I need a faster mechanism, last thing I want is to gawk weekly at the same image
for an hour or so!

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
 
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      03-05-2012, 02:08 PM
Take a look at these:
http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-mc-s4elite.php for monitor
calibration.
http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-pp-spyderstudio.php the whole package,
includes printer calibration, et al.

Gordo


"Noons" wrote in message news:jj1vrh$7c9$(E-Mail Removed)...

Hi folks.
I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are relatively
old
and may not reflect what is available nowadays.

What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or
equivalent
tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for
photography?
Price is not an issue.

My monitor is starting to change too much to often and while still
satisfactory,
I find it increasingly needs me to spend half an hour or so calibrating it
carefully against known images.

I need a faster mechanism, last thing I want is to gawk weekly at the same
image
for an hour or so!

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

 
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Robert Peirce
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      03-05-2012, 04:30 PM
In article <jj1vrh$7c9$(E-Mail Removed)>, Noons <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or
> equivalent
> tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for
> photography?
> Price is not an issue.


I currently use the second to latest Spyder (3?) and Color Eyes Display
Pro on a MacBook Pro, which has the non-TN (I can never remember the
name!) display. The latest Spyder (4?) looks like it is better. It has
a 7-color sensor which ought to improve on straight RGB. It also will
be able to do TVs when the software is complete, so I think it will be a
good way to go. Unfortunately, CEDP doesn't support it yet and the TV
software isn't available, at least for Macs, so I am waiting.
 
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      03-05-2012, 07:10 PM
On 2012-03-05 01:09:01 -0800, Noons <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> Hi folks.
> I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are
> relatively old and may not reflect what is available nowadays.
>
> What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or
> equivalent tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a
> monitor for photography?
> Price is not an issue.
>
> My monitor is starting to change too much to often and while still
> satisfactory, I find it increasingly needs me to spend half an hour or
> so calibrating it carefully against known images.
>
> I need a faster mechanism, last thing I want is to gawk weekly at the
> same image for an hour or so!
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback.


I use the Pantone huey Pro. It is reasonably priced and does the job
quickly and simply for me. After initial calibration which is very
quick, I have it set to recalibrate every 2 weeks.
Then when the software is in its normal run mode it analyses the
ambient light falling on the "huey Pro" sensor and the display and the
software makes appropriate adjustments to the display brightness.
< http://www.pantone.com/pages/product...x?pid=562&ca=2 >

Pantone has some more sophisticated products such as the ColorMunki.
< http://www.pantone.com/pages/product...?pid=1148&ca=2 >

--
Regards,

Savageduck

 
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Noons
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      03-08-2012, 10:43 AM
Noons wrote,on my timestamp of 5/03/2012 8:09 PM:
>Thanks in advance for any feedback.



Thanks for all the replies, folks. Much appreciated.
I'll be reading each and every one carefully and will then decide which way to go.
 
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Wolfgang Weisselberg
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      03-14-2012, 05:47 PM
Noons <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are relatively old
> and may not reflect what is available nowadays.


> What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or equivalent
> tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for photography?
> Price is not an issue.


Wide gamut or sRGB?
Do you also want to calibrate paper (prints) or only a monitor?

The 'best' solution would be:
- buy a spectrometer *and* a colorimeter (the DTP94 has low
DeltaE differences between copies, Spiders tend to have a rather
high one (and thus can be off quite a bit (8 DeltaE and more,
IIRC, even fresh out of the factory)), from what I have read,
but does need a correction for (each) wide gamut monitor)
- calibrate your colorimeter via the spectrometer (which is
more accurate out of the box and doesn't need (per screen)
corrections for wide gamut screens, but is slower and has a
harder time to read dark colours[1])
- calibrate your screen using the colorimeter.

Additionally many spectrometers can read prints, and with an
xy-table or another automatic device it's quite comfortable.

Since price is not an issue ... :-)

Of course you need to spend quite some time learning what
colour management is and how to do it correctly, whatever you do.
And choose a software that does what you need and gives you enough
freedom. Personally, I prefer argyllcms, but as powerful as it
is (and runs on many OSses), it also has a steep learning curve
(and doesn't handle all hardware)


> My monitor is starting to change too much to often and while still satisfactory,
> I find it increasingly needs me to spend half an hour or so calibrating it
> carefully against known images.


Your monitor seems to be failing.


> I need a faster mechanism, last thing I want is to gawk weekly at the same image
> for an hour or so!


Well, any way you do it with a colorimeter or spectrometer
will be faster and more reproducible (and likely more
accurate, unless you get e.g. a detuned spider).

A ColorHug (once it becomes available --- and it doesn't do
CRTs, but they're dying out anyway) should be the fastest
method (400 samples in 80 seconds), so you should be done in
a minute or two.


-Wolfgang

[1] Though that can be mitigated by a longer integration
time. However it is rare that drivers actually do that,
for various reasons. Argyllcms does.
 
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gordo
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      03-16-2012, 01:45 PM

"Wolfgang Weisselberg" wrote in message
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Noons <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are
> relatively old
> and may not reflect what is available nowadays.


> What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or
> equivalent
> tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for
> photography?
> Price is not an issue.


Wide gamut or sRGB?
Do you also want to calibrate paper (prints) or only a monitor?

The 'best' solution would be:
- buy a spectrometer *and* a colorimeter (the DTP94 has low
DeltaE differences between copies, Spiders tend to have a rather
high one (and thus can be off quite a bit (8 DeltaE and more,
IIRC, even fresh out of the factory)), from what I have read,
but does need a correction for (each) wide gamut monitor)
- calibrate your colorimeter via the spectrometer (which is
more accurate out of the box and doesn't need (per screen)
corrections for wide gamut screens, but is slower and has a
harder time to read dark colours[1])
- calibrate your screen using the colorimeter.

Additionally many spectrometers can read prints, and with an
xy-table or another automatic device it's quite comfortable.

Since price is not an issue ... :-)

Of course you need to spend quite some time learning what
colour management is and how to do it correctly, whatever you do.
And choose a software that does what you need and gives you enough
freedom. Personally, I prefer argyllcms, but as powerful as it
is (and runs on many OSses), it also has a steep learning curve
(and doesn't handle all hardware)


> My monitor is starting to change too much to often and while still
> satisfactory,
> I find it increasingly needs me to spend half an hour or so calibrating it
> carefully against known images.


Your monitor seems to be failing.


> I need a faster mechanism, last thing I want is to gawk weekly at the same
> image
> for an hour or so!


Well, any way you do it with a colorimeter or spectrometer
will be faster and more reproducible (and likely more
accurate, unless you get e.g. a detuned spider).

A ColorHug (once it becomes available --- and it doesn't do
CRTs, but they're dying out anyway) should be the fastest
method (400 samples in 80 seconds), so you should be done in
a minute or two.


-Wolfgang

[1] Though that can be mitigated by a longer integration
time. However it is rare that drivers actually do that,
for various reasons. Argyllcms does.



If you want the whole package (monitor and printer calibration) see:

http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-pp-spyderstudio.php

Gordo


 
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Wolfgang Weisselberg
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      03-18-2012, 02:00 PM
gordo <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Wolfgang Weisselberg" wrote in message
> Noons <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> I've seen the previous posts onthis subject but most of them are
>> relatively old
>> and may not reflect what is available nowadays.


>> What's the general consensus/suggestions on which spider to use - or
>> equivalent
>> tool - to perform colour calibration and profiling of a monitor for
>> photography?
>> Price is not an issue.


> Wide gamut or sRGB?
> Do you also want to calibrate paper (prints) or only a monitor?


[big snip where gordo continues to appropriate my text]

> If you want the whole package (monitor and printer calibration) see:


Kindly learn to properly quote and to properly shorten the
quoted material to the relevant part. Thanks.


-Wolfgang
 
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      04-09-2012, 09:33 AM
On Mar 5, 7:09*pm, Noons <wizofo...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Thanks for the help on this, folks.
Ended up with a Spyder4Pro, after trying a couple of the other gizmos.
Works very well, although IMHO the software is a bit quirky when
dealing with double monitors.
Very happy with the calibration of my Viewsonic now.
 
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