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I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
body?

Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?

Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
might suggest a price drop for the 20D?

If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
in this case?

The jury is still out on the 20D. The initial release had some lock-up
issues, and possibly others. Canon rushed out a firmware update, but
retracted it soon after. It caused additional problems on some, but not all
20D's. A co-worker told me he had heard there was a second firmware update,
that also had issues.

Overall, it sounds like a remarkable camera. I'm sure Canon will get this
resolved quickly. But for now, it's best to wait.

Bill Crocker


"Mark Johnson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) rdnews.com...
>I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
> body?
>
> Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?
>
> Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
> might suggest a price drop for the 20D?
>
> If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
> got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
> in this case?

"Mark Johnson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) rdnews.com...
>I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
> body?
>
> Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?
>
> Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
> might suggest a price drop for the 20D?
>
> If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
> got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
> in this case?

Around $2000

A few, from early production/preproduction examples, present buyers seem
thrilled

Not likely, for at least a year. The new cameras were announced at
Photokina in Sept. Next big show is PMA in Feb, a new round of
announcements, but, unless Nikon pulls a big rabbit out of their hat,
pricewise, the pricing should stay fairly stable.

I'd jump on it, but the chances of picking up a 1Ds for under $4000 could be
listed as slim, fat and none, and slim just left town. If you find one for
somewhere between $1500 and $2000, be very, very cautious about sending your
money. I doubt the seller actually has such an animal. The 1Ds is heavier,
slower, has better focusing, spot metering, far more resolution, a true pro
class camera.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

(E-Mail Removed) (Bill Hilton) wrote:

>I'd be surprised if you could find even a battered 1Ds selling for under $5,000
>in a legit deal. It's still the best digital SLR available, at least until the
>1Ds Mark II starts shipping.

_I_ would consider the 1Ds Mark II. But I thought _that_ was about
5-6000, and had a 14MP CMOS sensor. Seems like it might be a
competitve landscape camera. I didn't realize the original 1Ds (10MP
was it?) was still considered to be that expensive.

Suggested price for the 1DsMark2 is $8k

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:29:11 -0700, Mark Johnson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>(E-Mail Removed) (Bill Hilton) wrote:
>
>>I'd be surprised if you could find even a battered 1Ds selling for under $5,000
>>in a legit deal. It's still the best digital SLR available, at least until the
>>1Ds Mark II starts shipping.
>
>_I_ would consider the 1Ds Mark II. But I thought _that_ was about
>5-6000, and had a 14MP CMOS sensor. Seems like it might be a
>competitve landscape camera. I didn't realize the original 1Ds (10MP
>was it?) was still considered to be that expensive.

Correct, the new one is also full frame

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 01:03:18 GMT, Gary Eickmeier
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>
>Mark Johnson wrote:
>
>> If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
>> got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
>> in this case?
>
>The old 1Ds is full frame, 11mp, right?
>
>Gary Eickmeier

On 08 Oct 2004 01:38:28 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

>>From: Mark Johnson (E-Mail Removed)
>>
>>_I_ would consider the 1Ds Mark II. But I thought _that_ was about
>>5-6000, and had a 14MP CMOS sensor.
>
>$8,000 list price, 16.7 Mpixel sensor. But it's not shipping just yet, maybe
>next month.
>
>>I didn't realize the original 1Ds (10MP
>>was it?) was still considered to be that expensive.
>
>11 Mpixels ... it's still expensive because it's better than any other dSLR
>currently available. I just checked resellerratings.com and it's still going
>for $7,100 at B&H (it was $7,300 in March, I remember that, so it hasn't
>dropped much yet). Some of the top line dealers still asking full price of
>$8,000. No doubt the price will drop as they clear out inventory and switch
>over to the 1Ds Mark II ...

Its not better in some areas, like fps, but thats why there is a
1DMark2 also. Differnt job, different tool.

I went through the threads on DPReview about the new update, 1.0.5, and they
seem pretty universally successful. There were a couple of non successful
ones, but far fewer than with 1.0.4, and, at last sight, no reports of
"dead" cameras.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
"Bill Crocker" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:utSdnendUq42I_jcRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> The jury is still out on the 20D. The initial release had some lock-up
> issues, and possibly others. Canon rushed out a firmware update, but
> retracted it soon after. It caused additional problems on some, but not
> all 20D's. A co-worker told me he had heard there was a second firmware
> update, that also had issues.
>
> Overall, it sounds like a remarkable camera. I'm sure Canon will get
> this resolved quickly. But for now, it's best to wait.
>
> Bill Crocker
>
>
> "Mark Johnson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) rdnews.com...
>>I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
>> body?
>>
>> Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?
>>
>> Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
>> might suggest a price drop for the 20D?
>>
>> If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
>> got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
>> in this case?
>
>

"Mark Johnson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) rdnews.com...
>I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
> body?
>
> Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?
>
> Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
> might suggest a price drop for the 20D?
>

No. Even if a new Digital Rebel came out (not likely since Photokina is
over), it's a different class camera and won't affect the 20D price at all.

Mark

My 20D was one that died with the 1.04 firmware update. I am not happy with
Canon especially after they admitted it was their fault. That said I thought
about returning my 20D after it died and getting something else. However, in
that resolution, with low image noise and features there is nothing anywhere
close to it in that price range. I can't wait to get mine back, but that
doesn't change the fact that I am still very ****ed at Canon.

Right now what my big gripe is that Canon is the one that killed the camera
and I had to pay for shipping it back and will have to wait about 6 weeks
for them to fix it and send it back. I think the least they could have done
was pay for overnight shipping to them, expedited the repair (48 hour turn
around) and then shipped it back overnight. I think this is the least they
could have done for putting out an update that killed it.

John



"Mark Johnson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) rdnews.com...
>I wonder what people are paying for the 17-85 IS lens and 20D camera
> body?
>
> Are there any complaints about 'soft' images?
>
> Is there a new camera coming on the market before Christmas which
> might suggest a price drop for the 20D?
>
> If one could get an old 1Ds, how would that compare, especially if you
> got it 1500-2000? Would the old technology still be better than a 20D
> in this case?