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RichA
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      01-17-2008, 03:30 PM
Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...QQcmdZViewItem
 
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      01-17-2008, 05:29 PM
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...QQcmdZViewItem


Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
other lens mounts.

Do you know where I can buy an OM-to-Nikon adapter?


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      01-17-2008, 05:56 PM
On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>
> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
> other lens mounts.


Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos. Canon buyers get
them because they are better than what Canon has to offer.


 
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      01-17-2008, 06:31 PM
On 2008-01-17, RichA <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>>
>> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>>
>> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
>> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
>> other lens mounts.

>
> Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
> and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos. Canon buyers get
> them because they are better than what Canon has to offer.


One would have to be a pretty clueless 4/3rds (sic) [1] buyer to be
buying a 21mm lens if one was really after a telephoto.

[1] Four-thirdirds? Four-thrdirds? Four-thirdrds?

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      01-17-2008, 07:24 PM
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>>
>> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>>
>> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
>> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
>> other lens mounts.

>
>Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
>and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos.


Lemme start off by pointing out to you that this is not a telephoto
lens. It's an ultra-wide angle lens.

Lemme continue by pointing out that Olympus does not currently offer a
4/3 prime that can compare to it because, except for the 8mm Fisheye,
Olympus does not OFFER a prime wider than 35mm.

Lemme conclude by pointing out that it isn't the easiest lens to find.


>Canon buyers get
>them because they are better than what Canon has to offer.


Canon shooters would be interested because it's an excellent lens and
*because they can use it*. They might also be interested in the
slower, less expensive Zuiko 21mm f3.5. Again, because it's an
excellent lens and *they can use it*.

In case you missed it, Canon shooters CAN USE IT!!!!

Is it better than what Canon has to offer ... maybe. This is an
excellent lens, and there are very few lenses in this length that are
its equal. OTOH, it's a manual lens that isn't very easy to find and
also requires an adapter.

I'm sure there are Canon shooters who would purchase one of the 21mm
Zuikos instead of a Canon ultra-wide. But I seriously doubt Canon
considers these lost sales to be a significant worry.


That said....

Nikon shooters *might* be interested in it, too - it's an excellent
lens, and it's faster than any Nikkor ultra-wide. Unfortunately, they
CAN'T USE IT because there aren't any OM-to-Nikon adapters.


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      01-17-2008, 08:20 PM
On Jan 17, 1:31 pm, Chris Savage <spam.goes.h...@devnull.savvo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On 2008-01-17, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:

>
> >> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>
> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>
> >> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
> >> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
> >> other lens mounts.

>
> > Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
> > and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos. Canon buyers get
> > them because they are better than what Canon has to offer.

>
> One would have to be a pretty clueless 4/3rds (sic) [1] buyer to be
> buying a 21mm lens if one was really after a telephoto.
>
>


Not really because the 4/3 system as a whole is weak on modern prime
lenses.

 
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      01-17-2008, 08:24 PM
On Jan 17, 2:24 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:

>
> >> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>
> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>
> >> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
> >> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
> >> other lens mounts.

>
> >Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
> >and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos.

>
> Lemme start off by pointing out to you that this is not a telephoto
> lens. It's an ultra-wide angle lens.
>


And they make zooms (if you prefer) but some people want primes, which
the 4/3rds participants are weak on.
Right now, you can only get a 25mm Leica f1.4, a Sigma 30mm f1.4, an
Olympus 35mm f3.5 macro and a 50mm Olympus f2 prime lens. That's it.
Nothing in prime from 16-24mm.

 
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      01-17-2008, 09:46 PM
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:24:45 -0800 (PST), RichA <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>On Jan 17, 2:24 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:

>>
>> >> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>>
>> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>>
>> >> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
>> >> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
>> >> other lens mounts.

>>
>> >Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
>> >and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos.

>>
>> Lemme start off by pointing out to you that this is not a telephoto
>> lens. It's an ultra-wide angle lens.
>>

>
>And they make zooms (if you prefer) but some people want primes, which
>the 4/3rds participants are weak on.


Prime or Zoom has nothing to do with it ... despite your claim, a 21mm
lens is NOT a telephoto. It's a ultra-wide. (On a 35mm SLR or FF DSLR,
that is. On a 4/3 system, with its 2X crop factor, it's the equivalent
to a wide-ish standard lens on a 35mm/FF camera.)

>Right now, you can only get a 25mm Leica f1.4, a Sigma 30mm f1.4, an
>Olympus 35mm f3.5 macro and a 50mm Olympus f2 prime lens. That's it.
>Nothing in prime from 16-24mm.


Since you shoot Olympus, instead of ruminating about Canon you should
be moaning about the lack of wide-angle primes, decent or otherwise,
for your camera.



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      01-18-2008, 08:30 PM
On Jan 17, 4:46 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:24:45 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 17, 2:24 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:

>
> >> >On Jan 17, 12:29 pm, TRoss <tross...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:30:20 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:

>
> >> >> >Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.

>
> >> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...T-1DS-MK3_W0QQ...

>
> >> >> Maybe the seller knows the market for this excellent lens is rather
> >> >> limited 4/3 System and EOS mounts because an adapter doesn't exist for
> >> >> other lens mounts.

>
> >> >Sure, 4/3rds buyers get them because even at $1000+, they are cheaper
> >> >and more compact than Olympus Super-Pro telephotos.

>
> >> Lemme start off by pointing out to you that this is not a telephoto
> >> lens. It's an ultra-wide angle lens.

>
> >And they make zooms (if you prefer) but some people want primes, which
> >the 4/3rds participants are weak on.

>
> Prime or Zoom has nothing to do with it ... despite your claim, a 21mm
> lens is NOT a telephoto. It's a ultra-wide. (On a 35mm SLR or FF DSLR,
> that is. On a 4/3 system, with its 2X crop factor, it's the equivalent
> to a wide-ish standard lens on a 35mm/FF camera.)


The basis of the assertion was that some people prefer buying old
prime lenses from another company than using what their system has to
offer.
>
> >Right now, you can only get a 25mm Leica f1.4, a Sigma 30mm f1.4, an
> >Olympus 35mm f3.5 macro and a 50mm Olympus f2 prime lens. That's it.
> >Nothing in prime from 16-24mm.

>
> Since you shoot Olympus, instead of ruminating about Canon you should
> be moaning about the lack of wide-angle primes, decent or otherwise,
> for your camera.
>
> TR


I have. So have many. But Olympus has a different direction.
 
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      01-18-2008, 11:13 PM
RichA wrote:
> Note the end of the title. They know who buys these things.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-OM-21mm-...QQcmdZViewItem


bs. they not "aiming" it at anyone. they simply blatantly piggybacked an extra
keyword in the title to get the listing included into greater amount of popular
searches. it is a form of spam, nothing more.
 
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