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Savageduck
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      02-18-2012, 12:18 AM
On 2012-02-17 16:08:10 -0800, Eric Stevens <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:45:04 -0800, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
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>> On 2012-02-17 14:52:39 -0800, Eric Stevens <(E-Mail Removed)> said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:48:58 -0800, Savageduck
>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs.
>>>> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >
>>>
>>> I noted the story is promoted by Ifixit.com. Presumably they are no
>>> longer on the list of Nikon approved repairers. Perhaps at least some
>>> of their comments are due to sour grapes.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eric Stevens

>>
>> I think "promoted" might not be a good choice of words. It is their
>> story. Camera repair is one part of their business, and when a
>> manufacturer, or more likely in this case a distributer in Nikon USA
>> denies them part of that business when they are more than capable of
>> handling the task I guess they might not be happy about it. They have
>> just made their situation known to all who might care.
>>
>> Ifixit is a great, knowledgeable, & geeky repair service specializing
>> in repair of all types of electronics including digital cameras, Macs
>> and Apple products in particular. They gained a reputation for being
>> first in line to demonstrate tear down and reveals of Apple product
>> innards.
>>
>> Along with making repairs they also provide DIY kits along with
>> replacement parts and video guides. Here is one such DIY guide for an
>> iPhone 4 repair.
>> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpFP...feature=relmfu >
>>
>> These guys are very good at what they do, and best of all they are
>> local for me. I have only bought a logic board from them for my
>> father's PowerBook G4 and I have been quite satisfied. In my opinion
>> these are the guys who should be working at the Apple "Genius Bars".

>
> And I would expect them to be upset if Apple took away their access to
> Apple parts. I wonder what they would say about Apple?


That would be far more damaging to their business than the loss of
local Nikon repairs, and I imagine they would be just as vocal in
protest since they have a fairly large platform. However, IMBW, but I
suspect they have a somewhat different relationship with Apple and the
folks in Cupertino.


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      02-18-2012, 12:53 AM
On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you
> need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather
> large one.


I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig,
event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the
time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial
photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.).
Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to
lighting) to every wedding.

The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual
revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with
the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those
cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at
20%/year).

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      02-18-2012, 12:59 AM
On 2/17/2012 5:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012-02-16 19:48 , Savageduck wrote:
>> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon
>> repairs.
>> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >

>
> Regarding the web page above, there were a few ridiculous points, the
> worse being:
>
> QUOTE
> If you depend on your camera for work, as Jarvie does, having to mail
> your camera in to be fixed will cost you more than just the price of the
> repair: lost business, shipping costs, and time lost waiting for the
> Postal Service to shuttle the camera back and forth.
> UNQUOTE
>
> Really? Does the writer REALLY believe Jarvie has a single camera?
>
>
>
>
> As to Nikon I believe the policy as stated is absolutely stupid - UNLESS
> it also allows more shops to qualify as Nikon repair stations.
>
> I know a few local press photogs who are stuck with paper owned Nikon
> gear that they have to cycle through a Nikon approved service. The
> service is very good (quality) but slow in time. No real issue - they
> have plenty of spare bodies, lenses and flashes. For others it could be
> a drag.
>


I see no mention of NPS, either.

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      02-18-2012, 01:35 AM
On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs.
> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >
>



I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many
good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad
screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair
services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to
cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The
consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the
sloppy repair was the cause.
I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and
reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not repair
older models and older lenses.
If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to
sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell the
professional line.


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      02-18-2012, 01:51 AM
On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

> On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs.
>> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >
>>

>
>
> I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many
> good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad
> screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair
> services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to
> cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The
> consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the
> sloppy repair was the cause.
> I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and
> reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not
> repair older models and older lenses.
> If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to
> sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell
> the professional line.


You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home. You might
have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair
older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is
going to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to
repair older and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not
repair.

As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no
reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge.
That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with
electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more
than competent.

....and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live.

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      02-18-2012, 02:18 AM
On 2/17/2012 8:51 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN <(E-Mail Removed)> said:
>
>> On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon
>>> repairs.
>>> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >
>>>

>>
>>
>> I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many
>> good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad
>> screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair
>> services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to
>> cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The
>> consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the
>> sloppy repair was the cause.
>> I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and
>> reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not
>> repair older models and older lenses.
>> If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to
>> sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell
>> the professional line.

>
> You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home.


that had something to do with my decision to stick with Nikon when I
went digital.

> You might
> have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair
> older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is going
> to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to repair older
> and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not repair.


For how long should a manufacturer continue to manufacture parts for
obsolete models.

I have an Abu-Garcia fishing reel. circa 1971 and made in France. The
new ones are pure junk. When I need parts I go to some guy who has
stocked old reels that he acquired for parts. I would not be surprised
if a cannibal industry grew up.


>
> As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no
> reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge.
> That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with
> electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more
> than competent.
>
> ....and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live.
>



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      02-18-2012, 02:33 AM
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:53:54 -0500, Alan Browne
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: On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
:
: > But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you
: > need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather
: > large one.
:
: I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig,
: event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the
: time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial
: photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.).
: Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to
: lighting) to every wedding.
:
: The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual
: revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with
: the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those
: cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at
: 20%/year).

I usually carry two to an event or, say, a building construction tour, where
it would be hard to stop and change lenses. But I draw the line there. I can't
really imagine how I'd juggle three.

I actually think that this may have come up in one of the newsgroups some
years back and that one of the participants lectured me on how it's possible
to carry more than two. But I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Maybe if I were
thirty years younger, ... :^)

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      02-18-2012, 03:27 AM
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:51:01 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN <(E-Mail Removed)> said:
>
>> On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs.
>>> < http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ >
>>>

>>
>>
>> I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many
>> good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad
>> screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair
>> services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to
>> cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The
>> consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the
>> sloppy repair was the cause.
>> I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and
>> reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not
>> repair older models and older lenses.
>> If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to
>> sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell
>> the professional line.

>
>You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home. You might
>have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair
>older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is
>going to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to
>repair older and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not
>repair.
>
>As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no
>reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge.
>That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with
>electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more
>than competent.
>
>...and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live.


The Nikon repair centre in Auckland was about 30 minutes drive from
where I live. The last camera I had repaired there was a FM (not a FM1
or FM2, but a genuine FM) whose meter had stopped working. That was
about two years ago.

Since then Nikon agents have bought the privately owned repair centre
and moved it into there own premises. Maybe its part of a worldwide
drive to concentrate all repairs in Nikon's own hands. Who knows?

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      02-18-2012, 03:02 PM
On 2012-02-17 21:33 , Robert Coe wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:53:54 -0500, Alan Browne
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> :
> :> But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you
> :> need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather
> :> large one.
> :
> : I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig,
> : event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the
> : time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial
> : photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.).
> : Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to
> : lighting) to every wedding.
> :
> : The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual
> : revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with
> : the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those
> : cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at
> : 20%/year).
>
> I usually carry two to an event or, say, a building construction tour, where
> it would be hard to stop and change lenses. But I draw the line there. I can't
> really imagine how I'd juggle three.


I didn't say they took all three out of the car for every event.

> I actually think that this may have come up in one of the newsgroups some
> years back and that one of the participants lectured me on how it's possible
> to carry more than two. But I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Maybe if I were
> thirty years younger, ... :^)


I've never carried more than 2 and even that's a PITA. Was really a
PITA on film as the "story line" would be broken across different rolls
of film. Even with digital the sequencing is not linear v. the events.

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      02-18-2012, 03:46 PM
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:22 -0500, Alan Browne
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>I've never carried more than 2 and even that's a PITA. Was really a
>PITA on film as the "story line" would be broken across different rolls
>of film. Even with digital the sequencing is not linear v. the events.


Quite easy to sort/rename etc files via date/timestamp. I don't see
how this is a real issue. And yes I do use multiple cameras.
 
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