Re: Canon 20D review posted on dpreview

That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta
units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have
people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have yet
to be fixed.

John


"Douglas MacDonald" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Ken Ellis wrote:
>> Great..cause i have one being shipped now. Do you know what ver. of
>> firmware is effected (eg. new cam may have newer firmware)
>>
>> I am getting the kit with the 18-55 "s"lens. I'm seriously considering
>> gettin the 10-22 wide angle s lens. I'm really looking forward to
>> working with this cam. Any suggestions
>> on a moderately priced telephoto? I see many affordable tamron
>> 70-300. In any event i appreciate your input
>>
>> rgds
>>
>> Ken
>>
> I have the same kit with a grip. Basically it's identical to the 10Ds 'pro
> kit'. I have many lenses left over from the 10D and earlier EOS 35mm. The
> firmware affected is 1.0 and some 1.02. The fix is 1.4 and higher.
>
> My favourite zoom is a Sigma 100-300 f4 APO lens. It's resolving power is
> at least equal to a 70~200 Canon f2.8 when used with a 1.4X extender. A
> lot less money than a Canon lens too. I also use a 50mm 1.8 lens for
> portraits. This lens is a little soft on my 20D but for portraits, it's
> ideal.
>
> You might find some focus problems with a new camera - any new camera in
> that they do not always focus on the right place. Get yourself a back
> focus chart and check it out once you get used to the camera. Canon will
> fix it free and usually in a few days. Otherwise, the 20D is the one to
> have.
>
> Douglas




John Doe

John Doe wrote:
> That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta
> units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have
> people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have yet
> to be fixed.
>
> John
>
Dear John Doe
Is that your real name by any chance?
My Australian bought 20D, purchased from the first shipment to arrive at
Photo Continental in Brisbane, did indeed come with version 1.0.1
firmware. It did indeed lockup if I changed lenses while the camera was
in sleep mode (off) and then I switched it on. The problem did not
happen if I changed lenses with the camera left on. It is a trivial problem.

I used the 1.0.4 firmware upgrade from Canon Japan's web site which I
downloaded about 1 hour after it was posted. The problem is fixed. Some
people reported their camera wouldn't boot after replacing the firmware
and Canon pulled the update off their site, replacing it later with
version 1.0.5. It is the installer, not the firmware upgrade which gave
problems and Canon do indeed ship cameras with 1.0.4 firmware and these
do not lock up with lens changes.

I know several people who probably should never have electronic goods,
much less try to upgrade them, tried to flash the firmware with flat
batteries, tried to flash the firmware by just putting the update on
every flash card they had and yet again, others who seem to think
instructions are for dickheads. These people also had problems... More
than just the genetic ones they inherited.

Quite clearly you do not have a 20D or you would not be making such
outrageous statements. Anyone who does have the problem after flashing
the firmware (properly) can avail themselves of Canon's 14 day, no
questions asked (world wide -I believe)replacement policy. And don't
tell me someone can own one of these cameras for 14 days and never
change a lens either.

So John Doe... You are just a bloody troll with no knowledge of the
problem, how it occurs or how it's fixed, aren't you? Why don't you try
speaking directly to someone who actually has a clue instead of posting
bullshit you got from other people's posts? All you and the other
posters with no first hand experience are doing is fanning smoke in the
hope of starting a fire.

Douglas

Mr. MacDonald I suggest you pull you head from the ass and take a breath.
You may not be having problems but I am and others are. Your ignorance only
makes you more an ass.

John


"Douglas MacDonald" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> John Doe wrote:
>> That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta
>> units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have
>> people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have
>> yet to be fixed.
>>
>> John
>>
> Dear John Doe
> Is that your real name by any chance?
> My Australian bought 20D, purchased from the first shipment to arrive at
> Photo Continental in Brisbane, did indeed come with version 1.0.1
> firmware. It did indeed lockup if I changed lenses while the camera was in
> sleep mode (off) and then I switched it on. The problem did not happen if
> I changed lenses with the camera left on. It is a trivial problem.
>
> I used the 1.0.4 firmware upgrade from Canon Japan's web site which I
> downloaded about 1 hour after it was posted. The problem is fixed. Some
> people reported their camera wouldn't boot after replacing the firmware
> and Canon pulled the update off their site, replacing it later with
> version 1.0.5. It is the installer, not the firmware upgrade which gave
> problems and Canon do indeed ship cameras with 1.0.4 firmware and these do
> not lock up with lens changes.
>
> I know several people who probably should never have electronic goods,
> much less try to upgrade them, tried to flash the firmware with flat
> batteries, tried to flash the firmware by just putting the update on every
> flash card they had and yet again, others who seem to think instructions
> are for dickheads. These people also had problems... More than just the
> genetic ones they inherited.
>
> Quite clearly you do not have a 20D or you would not be making such
> outrageous statements. Anyone who does have the problem after flashing the
> firmware (properly) can avail themselves of Canon's 14 day, no questions
> asked (world wide -I believe)replacement policy. And don't tell me someone
> can own one of these cameras for 14 days and never change a lens either.
>
> So John Doe... You are just a bloody troll with no knowledge of the
> problem, how it occurs or how it's fixed, aren't you? Why don't you try
> speaking directly to someone who actually has a clue instead of posting
> bullshit you got from other people's posts? All you and the other posters
> with no first hand experience are doing is fanning smoke in the hope of
> starting a fire.
>
> Douglas

John Doe wrote:
> Mr. MacDonald I suggest you pull you head from the ass and take a breath.
> You may not be having problems but I am and others are. Your ignorance only
> makes you more an ass.
>
> John
>
>

If what you say is true "John Doe". Why have you not taken your camera
back and had it replaced under Canon's 14 day replacement policy? Maybe
if you let someone know exactly what your problem is(the camera one I
mean), you might get some advise.

Anyone who has a problem with a Canon DSLR can have it replaced, any
time up to 14 days after buying it. Provided of course the "problem" is
not caused by another manufacturer's lens or accessory and can be
reproduced on request.

I'll bet there are plenty of jokers out there trying to make old Tamron
and Sigma lenses which never entirely worked with EOS cameras anyway,
work on 20Ds and lock them up. No warranty there.

Douglas

I have that was the first thing I did. The new one does the same thing.

John


"Douglas MacDonald" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> John Doe wrote:
>> Mr. MacDonald I suggest you pull you head from the ass and take a breath.
>> You may not be having problems but I am and others are. Your ignorance
>> only makes you more an ass.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
> If what you say is true "John Doe". Why have you not taken your camera
> back and had it replaced under Canon's 14 day replacement policy? Maybe if
> you let someone know exactly what your problem is(the camera one I mean),
> you might get some advise.
>
> Anyone who has a problem with a Canon DSLR can have it replaced, any time
> up to 14 days after buying it. Provided of course the "problem" is not
> caused by another manufacturer's lens or accessory and can be reproduced
> on request.
>
> I'll bet there are plenty of jokers out there trying to make old Tamron
> and Sigma lenses which never entirely worked with EOS cameras anyway, work
> on 20Ds and lock them up. No warranty there.
>
> Douglas

"John Doe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I have that was the first thing I did. The new one does the same
thing.

Your top-posting and lack of snipping makes it a bit difficult to
understand what remark you're responding to. However, assuming it was
about Canon's 14 day replacement policy, you seem to be either
unfortunate or the lens(es)/Battery pack cause the issue.

I've recently bought two 20Ds, and both do fine, you've tried two 20Ds
and both have problems. What's the pattern here? Also, you suggest in
other posts that you and others have post 1.05 problems, however I'm
unable to find them. Maybe you can point them out?

Sure there seem to be occasional lens contact errors (never
experienced one myself), but those are not related to the early
lock-up issue. Lens contact issues have existed forever, and they
always will. I do think there is a poor contact issue with the
optional Battery pack, but that's not firmware related either.

Bart

> "Douglas MacDonald" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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SNIP
> > If what you say is true "John Doe". Why have you not taken your
camera
> > back and had it replaced under Canon's 14 day replacement policy?
Maybe if
> > you let someone know exactly what your problem is(the camera one I
mean),
> > you might get some advise.
[...]

The only lens I have is the EF-S 18-55 that came with the camera. If it has
problems with the body then again this is a Canon problem. One would only
expect problems with non Canon lenses because if Canon can't make the
products backwards compatible with their own lenses then they are trully
screwed.

As for the problems try the dpReview forums. There are good number of posts
their with people with the 1.05 firmware still having lock-ups.

John

In message <apCnd.6398$_(E-Mail Removed)>,
"John Doe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>The only lens I have is the EF-S 18-55 that came with the camera. If it has
>problems with the body then again this is a Canon problem. One would only
>expect problems with non Canon lenses because if Canon can't make the
>products backwards compatible with their own lenses then they are trully
>screwed.
>
>As for the problems try the dpReview forums. There are good number of posts
>their with people with the 1.05 firmware still having lock-ups.

Maybe those cameras will need servicing. I have a 20D that came with
1.05 already installed, and have had no lockups after about 2000 images,
and scores of lens changes (about 12 different lenses). If it were to
start locking up about every 2000 images, I would consider that trivia.
dead batteries and full CF cards will cause many more lost shots than a
rare lockup.
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