Nikon D70 Canon 300D Fuji FinePix Question by Jeffrey Dach www.drdach.com

Regarding the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS 300D and Rebel XTi: My question
is how do the CCD sensors in these, the Nikon and Canon compare, and
does it matter? and how do they compare against the proprietary Fuji
super CCD chip? Which camera has the better night capability with
lowesr noise? In terms of lenses for these camera bodies, any
alternatives to the 28-200 mm Nikon zoom (digital). Any suggestions
appreciated... Thanks very much from jeffrey dach www.drdach.com

On Mar 28, 4:56 am, postman1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Regarding the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS 300D and Rebel XTi: My question
> is how do the CCD sensors in these, the Nikon and Canon compare, and
> does it matter? and how do they compare against the proprietary Fuji
> super CCD chip? Which camera has the better night capability with
> lowesr noise? In terms of lenses for these camera bodies, any
> alternatives to the 28-200 mm Nikon zoom (digital). Any suggestions
> appreciated... Thanks very much from jeffrey dachwww.drdach.com


These cameras are all about equal, the Canon's aren't built quite as
well as the Nikon and have a poor preforming kit lens. The XTi has an
8mp sensor and Canon sensors have slightly better low light
performance, enough to say if you work in low light get the Canon. The
D70 is built better has a better kit lens (18-70), its little brother
the D50 almost equals the Canon in low light.
Fuji DSLRs with the Super CCD are in a different category, though the
body is the same as the D70. If you are looking at the S2 or S3
(forget the S1) they have a very advanced sensor, excellent low light
performance. They really deserve a better lens than the kit lenses.
Performance is slower than pro cameras but on par with the D70, and
the Rebels which has held Fuji back from selling more cameras. Fujis
also have a prism viewfinder which is a lot better than the mirror
viewfinder systems in the other cameras you have mentioned.
Lenses, I really don't like the all in one solution, for the Nikon and
probably the Fuji I would sugest the 18-70 and the 70-300 VR or the
new 55-200 DX VR. I don't have the information for lenses other than
the kit or more pro level lenses for the Canon. For any of these
cameras I would also suggest the 50 f1.8, Nikon or Canon, cheap good
lenses.

Tom

tomm42 wrote:
> On Mar 28, 4:56 am, postman1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Regarding the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS 300D and Rebel XTi: My question
>> is how do the CCD sensors in these, the Nikon and Canon compare, and
>> does it matter? and how do they compare against the proprietary Fuji
>> super CCD chip? Which camera has the better night capability with
>> lowesr noise? In terms of lenses for these camera bodies, any
>> alternatives to the 28-200 mm Nikon zoom (digital). Any suggestions
>> appreciated... Thanks very much from jeffrey dachwww.drdach.com
>
>
> These cameras are all about equal, the Canon's aren't built quite as
> well as the Nikon and have a poor preforming kit lens. The XTi has an
> 8mp sensor
Are you sure about that? It was 10mp last time I looked.
> and Canon sensors have slightly better low light
> performance, enough to say if you work in low light get the Canon.
>
Would lack of dark frame subtraction in the old 300d be a problem perhaps?
> The
> D70 is built better has a better kit lens (18-70), its little brother
> the D50 almost equals the Canon in low light.
> Fuji DSLRs with the Super CCD are in a different category, though the
> body is the same as the D70.
Are you sure about that?
> If you are looking at the S2 or S3
> (forget the S1) they have a very advanced sensor, excellent low light
> performance.
Do they really - they apparently have nice dynamic range performance,
but noise???
> They really deserve a better lens than the kit lenses.
> Performance is slower than pro cameras but on par with the D70, and
> the Rebels which has held Fuji back from selling more cameras. Fujis
> also have a prism viewfinder which is a lot better than the mirror
> viewfinder systems in the other cameras you have mentioned.
Ummm... the s5 pro? The s3 didn't really have the performance of the
D70, but was about twice the price. Your comment is the first I've heard
that it was "based on" the D70. But the S5 pro is based on a D200, and
shares most ergonomic features with the D200 - apart from the higher
burst frame rates - and of course it's only 6mp.
> Lenses, I really don't like the all in one solution, for the Nikon and
> probably the Fuji I would sugest the 18-70 and the 70-300 VR or the
> new 55-200 DX VR. I don't have the information for lenses other than
> the kit or more pro level lenses for the Canon. For any of these
> cameras I would also suggest the 50 f1.8, Nikon or Canon, cheap good
> lenses.
>
> Tom
>

On Mar 29, 1:50 am, frederick <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> tomm42 wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 4:56 am, postman1...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Regarding the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS 300D and Rebel XTi: My question
> >> is how do the CCD sensors in these, the Nikon and Canon compare, and
> >> does it matter? and how do they compare against the proprietary Fuji
> >> super CCD chip? Which camera has the better night capability with
> >> lowesr noise? In terms of lenses for these camera bodies, any
> >> alternatives to the 28-200 mm Nikon zoom (digital). Any suggestions
> >> appreciated... Thanks very much from jeffrey dachwww.drdach.com
>
> > These cameras are all about equal, the Canon's aren't built quite as
> > well as the Nikon and have a poor preforming kit lens. The XTi has an
> > 8mp sensor
>
> Are you sure about that? It was 10mp last time I looked.> and Canon sensors have slightly better low light
> > performance, enough to say if you work in low light get the Canon.
>
> >
> Would lack of dark frame subtraction in the old 300d be a problem perhaps?> The
> > D70 is built better has a better kit lens (18-70), its little brother
> > the D50 almost equals the Canon in low light.
> > Fuji DSLRs with the Super CCD are in a different category, though the
> > body is the same as the D70.
>
> Are you sure about that?> If you are looking at the S2 or S3
> > (forget the S1) they have a very advanced sensor, excellent low light
> > performance.
>
> Do they really - they apparently have nice dynamic range performance,
> but noise???> They really deserve a better lens than the kit lenses.
> > Performance is slower than pro cameras but on par with the D70, and
> > the Rebels which has held Fuji back from selling more cameras. Fujis
> > also have a prism viewfinder which is a lot better than the mirror
> > viewfinder systems in the other cameras you have mentioned.
>
> Ummm... the s5 pro? The s3 didn't really have the performance of the
> D70, but was about twice the price. Your comment is the first I've heard
> that it was "based on" the D70. But the S5 pro is based on a D200, and
> shares most ergonomic features with the D200 - apart from the higher
> burst frame rates - and of course it's only 6mp.
>
> > Lenses, I really don't like the all in one solution, for the Nikon and
> > probably the Fuji I would sugest the 18-70 and the 70-300 VR or the
> > new 55-200 DX VR. I don't have the information for lenses other than
> > the kit or more pro level lenses for the Canon. For any of these
> > cameras I would also suggest the 50 f1.8, Nikon or Canon, cheap good
> > lenses.
>
> > Tom


Both the D70 and the S2, S3 fuji are based on the N80 Nikon body.
I truthfully haven't payed much attention to the cheaper Canon bodies,
I was thinking the XT a 8mp and you are right the XTi is 10mp.
Rejected them as just too cheaply built when I bought a camera, came
from a Canon F1 and Leicas, I bought D200 over a year ago. Yes the S5
is based on the D200 with the SuperCCD, the D200 is a better
performing camera (more frames per second bigger buffer, smaller RAW
files) but the S5 has slightly more dynamic range, probably better
jpegs out of the camera (always a Fuji strength). Both cameras need
good lenses, the D200 preforms very well with good lenses but looks
soft with mediocre and poor lenses, this can generally be pulled out
by shartpening, I have a 55 f2.8 micro Nikkor that is just exquisite
with the D200 hardly needs sharpening.
Low high ISO noise has always been a Fuji strength.

Tom

tomm42 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> Both the D70 and the S2, S3 fuji are based on the N80 Nikon body.
> I truthfully haven't payed much attention to the cheaper Canon bodies,
> I was thinking the XT a 8mp and you are right the XTi is 10mp.
> Rejected them as just too cheaply built when I bought a camera, came
> from a Canon F1 and Leicas, I bought D200 over a year ago. Yes the S5
> is based on the D200 with the SuperCCD, the D200 is a better
> performing camera (more frames per second bigger buffer, smaller RAW
> files) but the S5 has slightly more dynamic range, probably better
> jpegs out of the camera (always a Fuji strength). Both cameras need
> good lenses, the D200 preforms very well with good lenses but looks
> soft with mediocre and poor lenses, this can generally be pulled out
> by shartpening, I have a 55 f2.8 micro Nikkor that is just exquisite
> with the D200 hardly needs sharpening.
> Low high ISO noise has always been a Fuji strength.
>

Keep in mind that the CMOS sensor is actually noisier than a CCD sensor, but
that the DigicII (and now DigicIII) processing removes it programatically. I
think Nikon has made the conscious choice to leave some of that out of the
camera in favor of allowing users to do this in the manner they feel is the
best [i.e. photoshop plugin]. In any event, software easily narrows that gap.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> Regarding the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS 300D and Rebel XTi: My question
> is how do the CCD sensors in these, the Nikon and Canon compare, and
> does it matter? and how do they compare against the proprietary Fuji
> super CCD chip? Which camera has the better night capability with
> lowesr noise? In terms of lenses for these camera bodies, any
> alternatives to the 28-200 mm Nikon zoom (digital). Any suggestions
> appreciated... Thanks very much from jeffrey dach www.drdach.com

Are you thinking of the 18-200 lens? I got a D70 with a 28-200 and that
lens is really not bad but it's only as wide as a 50mm normal lens on a
film camera & doesn't offer wide aperture so I outgrew it in about a
year. It is quite compact & light & quite sharp at much of it's length.
My biggest problem was the lack of wide angle and the gloppy out of
focus rendition in backgrounds. If you want that I'll give you a good
price on mine (seriously). I would suggest a 28mm f.2.8 or Sigma 30mm
f/1.4 or a 50mm f/1.8 if you can live with it not being useful for
normal snapshots... it's more like a moderate telephoto portrait lens.
And get the 18-70 kit lens for sure. I messed up not getting that.

For low light/high ISO night shooting you'd probably do better with the
Canon but as mentioned: beware of the really mediocre kit lens.

The Fuji's advantage is high dynamic range, not blowing out highlights,
which is an issue with all digital cameras and the only other way to
overcome that is a hugely expensive pro Canon. It seems hardly anyone
gets the Fuji though so make sure before you head that direction.