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Ken Oaf
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      03-05-2005, 06:11 AM
My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took one of
my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.

I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn it on and
take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one in.

They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed expert
told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to do it.

The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the lowest
quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.

My question is...

Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked such
that so-called experts can't stuff things up?


 
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Ken Weitzel
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      03-05-2005, 06:41 AM


Ken Oaf wrote:
> My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took one of
> my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>
> I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn it on and
> take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one in.
>
> They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed expert
> told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to do it.
>
> The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the lowest
> quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>
> My question is...
>
> Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked such
> that so-called experts can't stuff things up?


Hi...

Wow, a flashback... sending the kids off to camp eons
ago; having them come back claiming that they were still
on the second roll, and it was lasting a real long time.
Took hundreds of pictures, and it still wasn't finished.
By now you you'll have guessed that one of the leaders
changed it, and it wasn't threaded onto the take up spool

Don't think there's any camera that can be locked; but it
might be a good idea - maybe Ron from Kodak is watching?

Might try getting them involved in the hobby; have them
learn a little themselves? Maybe be a nice hobby that
you could all share together.

Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
step by step instructions covering any problems they may
encounter.

Might tell them that experts aren't needed - or if one
really, really is - see if they can't spot someone using
a similar camera - at least the same manufacturer.
If they're really getting on in years (as I am
then maybe writing a note that they could show to
their helper, telling him/her what they're trying to
do, asking him/her to set it up that way for them.

Might try an upgrade - where the smallest is at least
greater than 640/480. Even twice that makes nice 4x6's.

Just thinking....

Take care.

Ken

 
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Stacey
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      03-05-2005, 07:56 AM
Ken Weitzel wrote:


>
> Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
> step by step instructions covering any problems they may
> encounter.
>


You don't have elderly parents do you? :-)

This is why I got my mom a stylus with the fixed 35mm f2.8 lens. There is
only one button on it!

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Ron Hunter
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      03-06-2005, 08:52 AM
Ken Oaf wrote:
> My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took one of
> my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>
> I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn it on and
> take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one in.
>
> They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed expert
> told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to do it.
>
> The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the lowest
> quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>
> My question is...
>
> Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked such
> that so-called experts can't stuff things up?
>
>

Sure. You can buy 'one-use' cameras at CVS pharmacy. Perhaps, if your
parents can't learn to use a more complex camera, a simple, disposable,
film camera would be the best choice, or the aforementioned 'digital'.


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      03-06-2005, 08:54 AM
Ken Weitzel wrote:
>
>
> Ken Oaf wrote:
>
>> My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they
>> took one of
>> my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>>
>> I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn
>> it on and
>> take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one
>> in.
>>
>> They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self
>> proclaimed expert
>> told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered
>> to do it.
>>
>> The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the
>> lowest
>> quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>>
>> My question is...
>>
>> Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings
>> locked such
>> that so-called experts can't stuff things up?

>
>
> Hi...
>
> Wow, a flashback... sending the kids off to camp eons
> ago; having them come back claiming that they were still
> on the second roll, and it was lasting a real long time.
> Took hundreds of pictures, and it still wasn't finished.
> By now you you'll have guessed that one of the leaders
> changed it, and it wasn't threaded onto the take up spool
>
> Don't think there's any camera that can be locked; but it
> might be a good idea - maybe Ron from Kodak is watching?
>
> Might try getting them involved in the hobby; have them
> learn a little themselves? Maybe be a nice hobby that
> you could all share together.
>
> Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
> step by step instructions covering any problems they may
> encounter.
>
> Might tell them that experts aren't needed - or if one
> really, really is - see if they can't spot someone using
> a similar camera - at least the same manufacturer.
> If they're really getting on in years (as I am
> then maybe writing a note that they could show to
> their helper, telling him/her what they're trying to
> do, asking him/her to set it up that way for them.
>
> Might try an upgrade - where the smallest is at least
> greater than 640/480. Even twice that makes nice 4x6's.
>
> Just thinking....
>
> Take care.
>
> Ken
>

Unless a person is seriously into late stage of dementia, they should be
capable of LEARNING to use a digital camera. Usually the problem is
more lack of 'want to', than 'can do'. In these cases, something with
which they are more comfortable is probably better.


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Arthur Entlich
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      03-06-2005, 01:21 PM
I suspect other than encasing the camera in plastic, no such camera
exists. If someone is going to "fiddle" with the camera, the options
are going to be available to alter. I think you have to train your
parents not to allow others to "fiddle" with their camera!

Art

Ken Oaf wrote:

> My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took one of
> my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>
> I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn it on and
> take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one in.
>
> They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed expert
> told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to do it.
>
> The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the lowest
> quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>
> My question is...
>
> Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked such
> that so-called experts can't stuff things up?
>
>

 
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MaryL
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      03-06-2005, 04:32 PM

"Ron Hunter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Ken Weitzel wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ken Oaf wrote:
>>
>>> My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took
>>> one of
>>> my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>>>
>>> I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn
>>> it on and
>>> take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one
>>> in.
>>>
>>> They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed
>>> expert
>>> told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to
>>> do it.
>>>
>>> The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the
>>> lowest
>>> quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>>>
>>> My question is...
>>>
>>> Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked
>>> such
>>> that so-called experts can't stuff things up?

>>
>>
>> Hi...
>>
>> Wow, a flashback... sending the kids off to camp eons
>> ago; having them come back claiming that they were still
>> on the second roll, and it was lasting a real long time.
>> Took hundreds of pictures, and it still wasn't finished.
>> By now you you'll have guessed that one of the leaders
>> changed it, and it wasn't threaded onto the take up spool
>>
>> Don't think there's any camera that can be locked; but it
>> might be a good idea - maybe Ron from Kodak is watching?
>>
>> Might try getting them involved in the hobby; have them
>> learn a little themselves? Maybe be a nice hobby that
>> you could all share together.
>>
>> Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
>> step by step instructions covering any problems they may
>> encounter.
>>
>> Might tell them that experts aren't needed - or if one
>> really, really is - see if they can't spot someone using
>> a similar camera - at least the same manufacturer.
>> If they're really getting on in years (as I am
>> then maybe writing a note that they could show to
>> their helper, telling him/her what they're trying to
>> do, asking him/her to set it up that way for them.
>>
>> Might try an upgrade - where the smallest is at least
>> greater than 640/480. Even twice that makes nice 4x6's.
>>
>> Just thinking....
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> Ken
>>

> Unless a person is seriously into late stage of dementia, they should be
> capable of LEARNING to use a digital camera. Usually the problem is more
> lack of 'want to', than 'can do'. In these cases, something with which
> they are more comfortable is probably better.
>
>
> --
> Ron Hunter (E-Mail Removed)


Not necessarily. My mother was never able to master anything on the VCR
beyond pushing the "up and down arrows." The same thing is true of cameras.
She would become utterly frustrated and immediately give up if she had to do
anything other than point and shoot (with a single press of a button). She
is now old enough that your comments ring true, but this was *always* true
of her.

MaryL


 
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      03-06-2005, 07:22 PM
MaryL wrote:
> "Ron Hunter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:aAzWd.8953$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>Ken Weitzel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ken Oaf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took
>>>>one of
>>>>my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>>>>
>>>>I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn
>>>>it on and
>>>>take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one
>>>>in.
>>>>
>>>>They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self proclaimed
>>>>expert
>>>>told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered to
>>>>do it.
>>>>
>>>>The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the
>>>>lowest
>>>>quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>>>>
>>>>My question is...
>>>>
>>>>Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings locked
>>>>such
>>>>that so-called experts can't stuff things up?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi...
>>>
>>>Wow, a flashback... sending the kids off to camp eons
>>>ago; having them come back claiming that they were still
>>>on the second roll, and it was lasting a real long time.
>>>Took hundreds of pictures, and it still wasn't finished.
>>>By now you you'll have guessed that one of the leaders
>>>changed it, and it wasn't threaded onto the take up spool
>>>
>>>Don't think there's any camera that can be locked; but it
>>>might be a good idea - maybe Ron from Kodak is watching?
>>>
>>>Might try getting them involved in the hobby; have them
>>>learn a little themselves? Maybe be a nice hobby that
>>>you could all share together.
>>>
>>>Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
>>>step by step instructions covering any problems they may
>>>encounter.
>>>
>>>Might tell them that experts aren't needed - or if one
>>>really, really is - see if they can't spot someone using
>>>a similar camera - at least the same manufacturer.
>>>If they're really getting on in years (as I am
>>>then maybe writing a note that they could show to
>>>their helper, telling him/her what they're trying to
>>>do, asking him/her to set it up that way for them.
>>>
>>>Might try an upgrade - where the smallest is at least
>>>greater than 640/480. Even twice that makes nice 4x6's.
>>>
>>>Just thinking....
>>>
>>>Take care.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>

>>
>>Unless a person is seriously into late stage of dementia, they should be
>>capable of LEARNING to use a digital camera. Usually the problem is more
>>lack of 'want to', than 'can do'. In these cases, something with which
>>they are more comfortable is probably better.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Ron Hunter (E-Mail Removed)

>
>
> Not necessarily. My mother was never able to master anything on the VCR
> beyond pushing the "up and down arrows." The same thing is true of cameras.
> She would become utterly frustrated and immediately give up if she had to do
> anything other than point and shoot (with a single press of a button). She
> is now old enough that your comments ring true, but this was *always* true
> of her.
>
> MaryL
>
>

I have always wondered why some people get to the point where they
aren't willing to learn something new. I hope if I reach that point
someone will have the sense to bury me before I stink up the place. It
just isn't my nature to NOT want to learn something, but I have a
brother who has reached that point. I feel sorry for him. It isn't
because he can't, he just doesn't want to learn anything else.
And I am not exactly young any more, either.


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      03-06-2005, 07:23 PM
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I suspect other than encasing the camera in plastic, no such camera
> exists. If someone is going to "fiddle" with the camera, the options
> are going to be available to alter. I think you have to train your
> parents not to allow others to "fiddle" with their camera!
>
> Art
>



There are some base-line models from Kodak, at least, that have a
shutter button,

and that's it.



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      03-06-2005, 11:51 PM

"Ron Hunter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> MaryL wrote:
>> "Ron Hunter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:aAzWd.8953$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>>Ken Weitzel wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ken Oaf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My elderly parents have just returned from a holiday on which they took
>>>>>one of
>>>>>my Olympus digital cameras along with a film camera.
>>>>>
>>>>>I gave them specific instructions not to touch the settings, just turn
>>>>>it on and
>>>>>take the photos. When the card is full, remove it and put another one
>>>>>in.
>>>>>
>>>>>They filled the first card, put the second one in then a self
>>>>>proclaimed expert
>>>>>told them all memory cards must be formatted prior to use and offered
>>>>>to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>The silly bugger managed to reset the camera, which reverted to the
>>>>>lowest
>>>>>quality images (640x480) meaning the pictures are too small to print.
>>>>>
>>>>>My question is...
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there a fiddle proof digital camera that can have the settings
>>>>>locked such
>>>>>that so-called experts can't stuff things up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi...
>>>>
>>>>Wow, a flashback... sending the kids off to camp eons
>>>>ago; having them come back claiming that they were still
>>>>on the second roll, and it was lasting a real long time.
>>>>Took hundreds of pictures, and it still wasn't finished.
>>>>By now you you'll have guessed that one of the leaders
>>>>changed it, and it wasn't threaded onto the take up spool
>>>>
>>>>Don't think there's any camera that can be locked; but it
>>>>might be a good idea - maybe Ron from Kodak is watching?
>>>>
>>>>Might try getting them involved in the hobby; have them
>>>>learn a little themselves? Maybe be a nice hobby that
>>>>you could all share together.
>>>>
>>>>Might try writing out step by step kindergarten level
>>>>step by step instructions covering any problems they may
>>>>encounter.
>>>>
>>>>Might tell them that experts aren't needed - or if one
>>>>really, really is - see if they can't spot someone using
>>>>a similar camera - at least the same manufacturer.
>>>>If they're really getting on in years (as I am
>>>>then maybe writing a note that they could show to
>>>>their helper, telling him/her what they're trying to
>>>>do, asking him/her to set it up that way for them.
>>>>
>>>>Might try an upgrade - where the smallest is at least
>>>>greater than 640/480. Even twice that makes nice 4x6's.
>>>>
>>>>Just thinking....
>>>>
>>>>Take care.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>
>>>Unless a person is seriously into late stage of dementia, they should be
>>>capable of LEARNING to use a digital camera. Usually the problem is more
>>>lack of 'want to', than 'can do'. In these cases, something with which
>>>they are more comfortable is probably better.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Ron Hunter (E-Mail Removed)

>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. My mother was never able to master anything on the VCR
>> beyond pushing the "up and down arrows." The same thing is true of
>> cameras. She would become utterly frustrated and immediately give up if
>> she had to do anything other than point and shoot (with a single press of
>> a button). She is now old enough that your comments ring true, but this
>> was *always* true of her.
>>
>> MaryL

> I have always wondered why some people get to the point where they aren't
> willing to learn something new. I hope if I reach that point someone will
> have the sense to bury me before I stink up the place. It just isn't my
> nature to NOT want to learn something, but I have a brother who has
> reached that point. I feel sorry for him. It isn't because he can't, he
> just doesn't want to learn anything else.
> And I am not exactly young any more, either.
>
>
> --
> Ron Hunter (E-Mail Removed)


Partly, I think it rests with the person's areas of interest. My mother
simply didn't have any interest in taking the time it would take to learn
about *any* type of electronic equipment. On the other hand, she grew up on
a farm and knew more than most of the men in the area concerning farm
equipment (and how to repair it). By contrast, I have a great deal of
interest in computers and was a "camera bug" back in the days when I had a
Kodak Retina Reflex 35mm camera (including one with a hand-held light
meter) -- but I know next-to-nothing about using or repairing farm
machinery.

MaryL


 
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