A hell of a dilema

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Mike, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Hi, I'm torturing myself over this and I'd be interested in what other
    people think. I know that only I can make the final decision, but I'm
    posting this because people may have opinions which I haven't considered.

    Anyway, I am a 10D owner living in the UK. Photography is the passion of my
    life but I'm an amateur (albeit an obsessed one!). I've worked as a
    journalist for more than 13 years and I realised a few years back that I'd
    rather take pictures than write. I'd love to transfer my news skills into
    photography but at the moment the writing pays the mortgage so I can't see
    that happening anytime very soon.

    I've recently been given the opportunity to buy a 1D Mark II for £1,000 (I
    know, an absolute bargain). The owner had it as a gift and it's way too
    advanced for him so he's agreed to sell it to me for £1,000.

    I don't have a lot of spare cash so, so even with selling my 10D, I need to
    think very carefully (and put off buying that Canon Macro lens I've been
    saving for!)

    The 1D Mark II would be fine for any news or sport work I may have to cover
    in the future (if and when I make the career switch) and it would be a big
    step up for my hobby work.

    So, what to do? Stick with the 10D until I make a career move (by which time
    it will probably be a museum piece) or sell it and raid the bank account to
    buy the 1D Mark II? The new camera would probably be a bit over the top as a
    hobbyist's piece of kit, but this really is such a bargain that I am very
    tempted?

    Any thoughts?
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
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  2. So...go to your employer and see about a raise now that you can take your
    own photos to go with your stories. Saves them from having to supply a
    photographer. Let the raise justify getting the better camera.
     
    Gene Palmiter, Nov 12, 2004
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  3. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Mike" <> wrote in message
    news:cn0ulh$ms9$...
    > Hi, I'm torturing myself over this and I'd be interested in what other
    > people think. I know that only I can make the final decision, but I'm
    > posting this because people may have opinions which I haven't considered.
    >
    > Anyway, I am a 10D owner living in the UK. Photography is the passion of

    my
    > life but I'm an amateur (albeit an obsessed one!). I've worked as a
    > journalist for more than 13 years and I realised a few years back that I'd
    > rather take pictures than write. I'd love to transfer my news skills into
    > photography but at the moment the writing pays the mortgage so I can't see
    > that happening anytime very soon.
    >
    > I've recently been given the opportunity to buy a 1D Mark II for £1,000 (I
    > know, an absolute bargain). The owner had it as a gift and it's way too
    > advanced for him so he's agreed to sell it to me for £1,000.
    >
    > I don't have a lot of spare cash so, so even with selling my 10D, I need

    to
    > think very carefully (and put off buying that Canon Macro lens I've been
    > saving for!)
    >
    > The 1D Mark II would be fine for any news or sport work I may have to

    cover
    > in the future (if and when I make the career switch) and it would be a big
    > step up for my hobby work.
    >
    > So, what to do? Stick with the 10D until I make a career move (by which

    time
    > it will probably be a museum piece) or sell it and raid the bank account

    to
    > buy the 1D Mark II? The new camera would probably be a bit over the top as

    a
    > hobbyist's piece of kit, but this really is such a bargain that I am very
    > tempted?
    >
    > Any thoughts?


    Sell it and buy.
    Otherwise...buy it and sell it to ME!
    :)
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
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  4. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Gene Palmiter" <> wrote in message
    news:9pTkd.3426$4U1.1901@trndny05...
    > So...go to your employer and see about a raise now that you can take your
    > own photos to go with your stories. Saves them from having to supply a
    > photographer. Let the raise justify getting the better camera.


    Except that this isn't typically how it works.
    If he's a journalist, he's taking notes, interviewing, recording press
    conferences, making phone calls, etc. None of these are particularly
    compatible with simultaneously taking photographs at newsworthy events.

    If, on the other hand, he was doing a special assignment story, or other
    report piece that isn't so time-sensitive/news-related, he might be able to
    do both with regularity.
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
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  5. Mike

    Mike Guest

    "Gene Palmiter" <> wrote in message
    news:9pTkd.3426$4U1.1901@trndny05...
    > So...go to your employer and see about a raise now that you can take your
    > own photos to go with your stories. Saves them from having to supply a
    > photographer. Let the raise justify getting the better camera.
    >
    >

    You're not famliar with the world of newspapers are you :) If I did that I
    would be multi-skilling - and that would put a LOT of photographers' noses
    seriously out of joint. I support their case actually - if the employers had
    their way they would halve their editorial staff by making photographers
    write stories and writers take pictures. It would save a lot of money, but
    also drive standards in the industry even lower.
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
    #5
  6. Mike wrote:

    > Hi, I'm torturing myself over this and I'd be interested in what other
    > people think. I know that only I can make the final decision, but I'm
    > posting this because people may have opinions which I haven't considered.
    >
    > Anyway, I am a 10D owner living in the UK. Photography is the passion of my
    > life but I'm an amateur (albeit an obsessed one!). I've worked as a
    > journalist for more than 13 years and I realised a few years back that I'd
    > rather take pictures than write. I'd love to transfer my news skills into
    > photography but at the moment the writing pays the mortgage so I can't see
    > that happening anytime very soon.
    >
    > I've recently been given the opportunity to buy a 1D Mark II for £1,000 (I
    > know, an absolute bargain). The owner had it as a gift and it's way too
    > advanced for him so he's agreed to sell it to me for £1,000.
    >
    > I don't have a lot of spare cash so, so even with selling my 10D, I need to
    > think very carefully (and put off buying that Canon Macro lens I've been
    > saving for!)
    >
    > The 1D Mark II would be fine for any news or sport work I may have to cover
    > in the future (if and when I make the career switch) and it would be a big
    > step up for my hobby work.
    >
    > So, what to do? Stick with the 10D until I make a career move (by which time
    > it will probably be a museum piece) or sell it and raid the bank account to
    > buy the 1D Mark II? The new camera would probably be a bit over the top as a
    > hobbyist's piece of kit, but this really is such a bargain that I am very
    > tempted?
    >
    > Any thoughts?
    >
    >

    As an owner of a 10D and 1D Mark II, I would say it really depends on your
    use of the camera. The 10D is a marvelous camera, low noise, reasonable response
    time, and more than adequate to make big enlargements. The advantage
    of the 1D Mark II in my experience is its faster autofocus, and 8.5 frames
    per second for capturing fast action. You can still do action work with the
    10D, just maybe not the fastest, and to make the difference, you really need
    top lenses. So unless you need more than 3 frames per second, you may be
    better off getting more lenses first. The other advantage of the 1DII is that
    it will autofocus at f/8 (e.g. an f/4 lens plus 2x TC). If that is important
    to you, then the 1DII will be worth it. For me it was (frames per second,
    faster autofocus, and focus at f/8). I also found it will focus with
    stacked 1.4 and 2x TCs with an f/4 lens. But do you need that for your work?
    The 8 versus 6 megapixels is not much difference in my opinion. If it is
    to you, also consider the 20D.

    Roger Clark
    Photos, digital info (a lot on the 10D and 1D Mark II) at:
    http://clarkvision.com
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Nov 12, 2004
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  7. Mike

    Mike Guest

    "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" <> wrote in
    message news:...

    > >

    > As an owner of a 10D and 1D Mark II, I would say it really depends on your
    > use of the camera. The 10D is a marvelous camera, low noise, reasonable

    response
    > time, and more than adequate to make big enlargements. The advantage
    > of the 1D Mark II in my experience is its faster autofocus, and 8.5 frames
    > per second for capturing fast action. You can still do action work with

    the
    > 10D, just maybe not the fastest, and to make the difference, you really

    need
    > top lenses. So unless you need more than 3 frames per second, you may be
    > better off getting more lenses first. The other advantage of the 1DII is

    that
    > it will autofocus at f/8 (e.g. an f/4 lens plus 2x TC). If that is

    important
    > to you, then the 1DII will be worth it. For me it was (frames per second,
    > faster autofocus, and focus at f/8). I also found it will focus with
    > stacked 1.4 and 2x TCs with an f/4 lens. But do you need that for your

    work?
    > The 8 versus 6 megapixels is not much difference in my opinion. If it is
    > to you, also consider the 20D.
    >
    > Roger Clark
    > Photos, digital info (a lot on the 10D and 1D Mark II) at:
    > http://clarkvision.com
    >


    Roger - Many thanks for your advice. I think the faster fps will be the main
    factor that may sway my decision towards the 1DII because I'd like to get
    more experience shooting sport, although as you rightly point out, the 10D
    is capable of handling many sport shots and would be OK for me to practice
    with.

    The extra megapixels would be a bonus but it's not going to be the deciding
    factor for me. As for the 20D - I won't be able to get one for £1,000 so the
    1DII is a better deal :)

    Regards
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
    #7
  8. Mike wrote:

    > Roger - Many thanks for your advice. I think the faster fps will be the main
    > factor that may sway my decision towards the 1DII because I'd like to get
    > more experience shooting sport, although as you rightly point out, the 10D
    > is capable of handling many sport shots and would be OK for me to practice
    > with.
    >
    > The extra megapixels would be a bonus but it's not going to be the deciding
    > factor for me. As for the 20D - I won't be able to get one for £1,000 so the
    > 1DII is a better deal :)
    >


    If it's the action you want, then go for it. It really is a great camera.
    Be aware, however, that it is big and heavy. The size may mean you need
    a new camera bag to hold it, and the bigger camera bags are more expensive.
    Spare batteries are over $100, and you really need at least one
    spare (I carry 2).

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Nov 12, 2004
    #8
  9. Mike

    Chris D Guest

    > Except that this isn't typically how it works.
    > If he's a journalist, he's taking notes, interviewing,
    > recording press conferences, making phone calls, etc. None of
    > these are particularly compatible with simultaneously taking
    > photographs at newsworthy events.


    Depends if it's a big newspaper or not. The small country
    newspaper I work for, each of the journalists has a small P&S
    Sony cam for taking photos. We employ a fulltime photographer
    as well, but he only does the more important stories, and
    frontpage pics. Someone who could take great photos and write
    the stories would be an asset to many a small newspaper.

    -Chris D
     
    Chris D, Nov 12, 2004
    #9
  10. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Chris D" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > > Except that this isn't typically how it works.
    > > If he's a journalist, he's taking notes, interviewing,
    > > recording press conferences, making phone calls, etc. None of
    > > these are particularly compatible with simultaneously taking
    > > photographs at newsworthy events.

    >
    > Depends if it's a big newspaper or not. The small country
    > newspaper I work for, each of the journalists has a small P&S
    > Sony cam for taking photos. We employ a fulltime photographer
    > as well, but he only does the more important stories, and
    > frontpage pics. Someone who could take great photos and write
    > the stories would be an asset to many a small newspaper.
    >
    > -Chris D


    Yes. Point taken.
    I was indeed thinking of bigger outfits.
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
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  11. Mike

    Ken Weitzel Guest

    Mike wrote:

    > Hi, I'm torturing myself over this and I'd be interested in what other
    > people think. I know that only I can make the final decision, but I'm
    > posting this because people may have opinions which I haven't considered.
    >
    > Anyway, I am a 10D owner living in the UK. Photography is the passion of my
    > life but I'm an amateur (albeit an obsessed one!). I've worked as a
    > journalist for more than 13 years and I realised a few years back that I'd
    > rather take pictures than write. I'd love to transfer my news skills into
    > photography but at the moment the writing pays the mortgage so I can't see
    > that happening anytime very soon.
    >
    > I've recently been given the opportunity to buy a 1D Mark II for £1,000 (I
    > know, an absolute bargain). The owner had it as a gift and it's way too
    > advanced for him so he's agreed to sell it to me for £1,000.
    >
    > I don't have a lot of spare cash so, so even with selling my 10D, I need to
    > think very carefully (and put off buying that Canon Macro lens I've been
    > saving for!)
    >
    > The 1D Mark II would be fine for any news or sport work I may have to cover
    > in the future (if and when I make the career switch) and it would be a big
    > step up for my hobby work.
    >
    > So, what to do? Stick with the 10D until I make a career move (by which time
    > it will probably be a museum piece) or sell it and raid the bank account to
    > buy the 1D Mark II? The new camera would probably be a bit over the top as a
    > hobbyist's piece of kit, but this really is such a bargain that I am very
    > tempted?
    >
    > Any thoughts?



    Hi Mike...

    I can respectfully offer you what I see from the
    "old-guy" point of view if you like...

    1000 of your pounds is a lot of money for an average
    working man - probably about 2000 of our money out here
    in the colonies :) Not to be spent or pledged lightly.

    So. You're not too young given the mention of a mortgage.
    And by that token, not too old, either. Almost certainly
    married, perhaps youngsters or if not soon.

    With that said, talk to your wife. Only she and you
    know the real facts of your financial situation, and
    what may come up in the future. Kids? Kid's education?
    Perhaps a little help needed for aging parents?

    And talk it over with your parents. Possibly even
    with grand parents. I can easily attest to the fact
    that grand fathers love nothing better than helping
    the grandkids get well started on their lives and
    careers.

    And with all that info gathered, you should be able to decide
    easily :)

    Good luck, and take care.

    Ken
     
    Ken Weitzel, Nov 12, 2004
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  12. Mike

    Chris D Guest

    On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:49:13 -0800

    > Yes. Point taken.
    > I was indeed thinking of bigger outfits.


    Which, reading his other post, is sounds like he works for
    anyway :)

    -Chris D
     
    Chris D, Nov 12, 2004
    #12
  13. Mike

    Mike Guest

    "Chris D" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:49:13 -0800
    >
    > > Yes. Point taken.
    > > I was indeed thinking of bigger outfits.

    >
    > Which, reading his other post, is sounds like he works for
    > anyway :)


    Wrong!
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
    #13
  14. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Mike" <> wrote in message
    news:cn1ctl$r3b$...
    >
    > "Chris D" <> wrote in message
    >

    news:...
    > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:49:13 -0800
    > >
    > > > Yes. Point taken.
    > > > I was indeed thinking of bigger outfits.

    > >
    > > Which, reading his other post, is sounds like he works for
    > > anyway :)

    >
    > Wrong!


    Out of curiosity, what sort of outfit do you write for?
    Maybe you can stop our blind stabs...
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
    #14
  15. Mike

    Mike Guest

    >
    > Hi Mike...
    >
    > I can respectfully offer you what I see from the
    > "old-guy" point of view if you like...
    >
    > 1000 of your pounds is a lot of money for an average
    > working man - probably about 2000 of our money out here
    > in the colonies :) Not to be spent or pledged lightly.
    >
    > So. You're not too young given the mention of a mortgage.
    > And by that token, not too old, either. Almost certainly
    > married, perhaps youngsters or if not soon.
    >
    > With that said, talk to your wife. Only she and you
    > know the real facts of your financial situation, and
    > what may come up in the future. Kids? Kid's education?
    > Perhaps a little help needed for aging parents?
    >
    > And talk it over with your parents. Possibly even
    > with grand parents. I can easily attest to the fact
    > that grand fathers love nothing better than helping
    > the grandkids get well started on their lives and
    > careers.
    >
    > And with all that info gathered, you should be able to decide
    > easily :)
    >
    > Good luck, and take care.
    >
    > Ken
    >


    Thanks for such wise advice. You've got my situation pretty much spot on -
    married, kids soon, preparing myself for the big four-oh etc. While I'm in a
    pretty good job, money is still not to be thrown around lightly and I know
    there are more important things in life than gizmos that make pretty
    pictures. That's why this offer has got me in such a pickle. I'd like to buy
    the camera, of course I would - but at the end of the day I know it's going
    to be a luxury item unless I make it pay some bills.

    Your post is most welcome - Mrs Mike and I shall have a nice long chat!

    All the best.
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
    #15
  16. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Ken Weitzel" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:WVkd.198553$%k.171204@pd7tw2no...
    > Mike wrote:
    >
    > > Hi, I'm torturing myself over this and I'd be interested in what other
    > > people think. I know that only I can make the final decision, but I'm
    > > posting this because people may have opinions which I haven't

    considered.

    > Hi Mike...
    >
    > I can respectfully offer you what I see from the
    > "old-guy" point of view if you like...
    >
    > 1000 of your pounds is a lot of money for an average
    > working man - probably about 2000 of our money out here
    > in the colonies :) Not to be spent or pledged lightly.
    >
    > So. You're not too young given the mention of a mortgage.
    > And by that token, not too old, either. Almost certainly
    > married, perhaps youngsters or if not soon.
    >
    > With that said, talk to your wife. Only she and you
    > know the real facts of your financial situation, and
    > what may come up in the future. Kids? Kid's education?
    > Perhaps a little help needed for aging parents?
    >
    > And talk it over with your parents. Possibly even
    > with grand parents. I can easily attest to the fact
    > that grand fathers love nothing better than helping
    > the grandkids get well started on their lives and
    > careers.
    >
    > And with all that info gathered, you should be able to decide
    > easily :)
    >
    > Good luck, and take care.
    >
    > Ken


    Ken,
    You win the post of the day award.
    :)
    -Mark
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
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  17. Mike

    Mike Guest


    >
    > Out of curiosity, what sort of outfit do you write for?
    > Maybe you can stop our blind stabs...
    >

    For what it's worth I currently work for the BBC but most of my background
    is in newspapers - national UK titles like the Daily Mirror as well as
    editorial management positions on regionals. Obviously, a career change into
    photography would entail a move out of broadcasting and back into newpapers!
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
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  18. Mike

    Mark² Guest

    "Mike" <> wrote in message
    news:cn1eji$rnq$...
    >
    > >
    > > Out of curiosity, what sort of outfit do you write for?
    > > Maybe you can stop our blind stabs...
    > >

    > For what it's worth I currently work for the BBC but most of my background
    > is in newspapers - national UK titles like the Daily Mirror as well as
    > editorial management positions on regionals. Obviously, a career change

    into
    > photography would entail a move out of broadcasting and back into

    newpapers!

    I don't know what it's like in the UK, but in the US...newspaper photogs
    don't seem to be paid particularly well. -Al least not those at local
    papers... Do you have any idea what sort of living one makes as a newspaper
    photog there?
     
    Mark², Nov 12, 2004
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  19. Mike

    bob Guest

    "Mike" <> wrote in
    news:cn0ulh$ms9$:

    > Any thoughts?
    >


    I know little about either camera you write about, but since you do, that's
    ok.

    I know nothing at all about UK tax law. In the USA, an owner of a home
    based business can deduct the expense of a capital investment.

    I know nothing of UK tax law, but in the USA, a person in your situation
    might be able to create a situation whereby he could depreciate the new
    camera, if he were able to construe a way whereby he could claim income
    from using it.

    Best wishes.

    Bob



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    Delete the inverse SPAM to reply
     
    bob, Nov 12, 2004
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  20. Mike

    Mike Guest

    >
    > I don't know what it's like in the UK, but in the US...newspaper photogs
    > don't seem to be paid particularly well. -Al least not those at local
    > papers... Do you have any idea what sort of living one makes as a

    newspaper
    > photog there?
    >

    Pretty much the same I guess - at local level a photographer would probably
    make between £20k to £25k, maybe get a car and often get his kit supplied.
    The salary could be higher for more senior photographers on bigger regional
    papers.

    Conversely, a photographer working on a small local paper could find himself
    struggling to make £15,000.

    At national level the money can be attractive - around £40,000 for the good
    ones, and then there's the expense account :) But those jobs are few and
    far between.
     
    Mike, Nov 12, 2004
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