Adding audio to WMV?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Terry Pinnell, Nov 20, 2007.

  1. I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    please?

    I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    times as long on the couple of tests I've done.

    --
    Terry, East Grinstead, UK
     
    Terry Pinnell, Nov 20, 2007
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    Steve King Guest

    "Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    > files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    > way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    > please?
    >
    > I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    > instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    > WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    > a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    > times as long on the couple of tests I've done.
    >
    > --
    > Terry, East Grinstead, UK


    Why didn't you add audio to the AVI before converting (downgrading) it?

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Nov 20, 2007
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  3. "Steve King" <> wrote:

    >"Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    >> files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    >> way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    >> please?
    >>
    >> I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    >> instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    >> WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    >> a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    >> times as long on the couple of tests I've done.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

    >
    >Why didn't you add audio to the AVI before converting (downgrading) it?
    >
    >Steve King
    >


    Because I didn't anticipate needing any music. Now I do.

    If the situation arises again, what method are you recommending for
    adding the audio at that stage to the AVI, without degrading the
    video?

    --
    Terry, East Grinstead, UK
     
    Terry Pinnell, Nov 20, 2007
    #3
  4. Terry Pinnell

    Frank Guest

    On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:25:26 +0000, in 'rec.video.desktop',
    in article <Adding audio to WMV?>,
    Terry Pinnell <> wrote:

    >I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    >files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    >way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    >please?
    >
    >I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    >instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    >WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    >a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    >times as long on the couple of tests I've done.



    Terry, although some simple things can be done with existing Windows
    Media files non-destructively, such as trimming start and end points,
    it wasn't really designed as an editable format. We don't use programs
    like Super and we don't add music tracks later. Windows Media is for
    final distribution.

    The only proper way to create a Windows Media file - .wma, .wmv,
    whatever - is to create your assets in the highest possible quality
    and then use the free WME (Windows Media Encoder) program to do the
    encoding.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx

    In your case, create as best-looking and best-sounding an uncompressed
    ..avi file as possible and then feed that into WME for encoding,
    choosing the encoding parameters (data rate, codecs, etc.) as
    appropriate for your application (Web server pseudo streaming, real
    streaming from a Windows Media Server, on-demand playback, live
    streaming, local playback from a hard disk drive or optical media,
    etc.).

    --
    Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
    [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
    Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
    (also covers AVCHD and XDCAM EX).
     
    Frank, Nov 20, 2007
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    Steve King Guest

    "Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Steve King" <> wrote:
    >
    >>"Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    >>> files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    >>> way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    >>> please?
    >>>
    >>> I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    >>> instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    >>> WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    >>> a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    >>> times as long on the couple of tests I've done.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

    >>
    >>Why didn't you add audio to the AVI before converting (downgrading) it?
    >>
    >>Steve King
    >>

    >
    > Because I didn't anticipate needing any music. Now I do.
    >
    > If the situation arises again, what method are you recommending for
    > adding the audio at that stage to the AVI, without degrading the
    > video?


    Terry, I'd go back to the original AVI file. Load it into Windows Movie
    Maker. Add your audio track. Then, encode it to WMV using the highest data
    rate you can for the purpose you have in mind. I'm not familiar with Super,
    but I suspect that the quality gain, if any, is marginal. Of course, I may
    not know what I'm talking about re: Super.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Nov 20, 2007
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  6. Frank <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:25:26 +0000, in 'rec.video.desktop',
    >in article <Adding audio to WMV?>,
    >Terry Pinnell <> wrote:
    >
    >>I've worked mainly with MPEG until recently but need to make some WMV
    >>files. I converted an AVI to WMV with SUPER. What is the recommended
    >>way to add a music track to that while preserving max video quality
    >>please?
    >>
    >>I could of course have converted the original AVI with MovieMaker
    >>instead of SUPER, and added the audio track there before encoding to
    >>WMV. But I'm guessing (any hard data from anyone?) that SUPER produces
    >>a higher quality video, if only because it seems to take about 10
    >>times as long on the couple of tests I've done.

    >
    >
    >Terry, although some simple things can be done with existing Windows
    >Media files non-destructively, such as trimming start and end points,
    >it wasn't really designed as an editable format. We don't use programs
    >like Super and we don't add music tracks later. Windows Media is for
    >final distribution.
    >
    >The only proper way to create a Windows Media file - .wma, .wmv,
    >whatever - is to create your assets in the highest possible quality
    >and then use the free WME (Windows Media Encoder) program to do the
    >encoding.
    >
    >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx
    >
    >In your case, create as best-looking and best-sounding an uncompressed
    >.avi file as possible and then feed that into WME for encoding,
    >choosing the encoding parameters (data rate, codecs, etc.) as
    >appropriate for your application (Web server pseudo streaming, real
    >streaming from a Windows Media Server, on-demand playback, live
    >streaming, local playback from a hard disk drive or optical media,
    >etc.).


    Thanks Frank. I'll take another look, but last time I tried WME I
    recall finding it rather intimidating. I'd typically use Womble MPEG
    Video Wizard (DVD), or MemoriesOnTV for my editing, both of which have
    reasonably friendly interfaces.

    I appreciate that it's best to have audio and video all at hand at the
    outset. But, in this non-critical application (discussing a WMV in a
    newsgroup), I just wanted to add sound to the existing WMV, if
    possible. However, from John's reply, it's beginning to look as if my
    best bet would be to go back and re-render in MM2 with audio added.

    --
    Terry, East Grinstead, UK
     
    Terry Pinnell, Nov 20, 2007
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    Jim Guest


    >Of course, I may
    > not know what I'm talking about re: Super.
    >


    The 2 good things about SUPER are
    1-Its free
    2-It tries to do a lot.

    But in terms of quality or speed it is not as good as other stand alone
    encoders from my experience.
    It's fine for a Youtube convert or such, but if you are converting to wmv,
    why not use the program designed for it?
    Get the windows media encoder mentioned by Frank and reencode from scratch.
     
    Jim, Nov 20, 2007
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