Anyone seen any Nikon 500mm f/4 VR lenses?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Dave, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Nikon have the AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR lens on their web site.

    http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm

    Are there many of these around? I doubt I can afford to buy one, but I
    reckon that when they become available, the used price of the non-VR
    version of the lens will fall.

    The problem is, nobody seems to have this lens. Plenty of places are
    still selling the AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/4D IF-ED II

    http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4d_if_2/index.htm

    but I can find few places that sell the VR version. One that does is
    "Simply Electronics" who must be one of the most doggy sellers around,
    so I doubt they actually have them.

    Much the same thing applies to the 600mm equivalent

    http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_600mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    Dave, Sep 8, 2008
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  2. Dave

    Paul Furman Guest

    Dave wrote:
    > Nikon have the AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR lens on their web site.
    >
    > http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    >
    >
    > Are there many of these around? I doubt I can afford to buy one, but I
    > reckon that when they become available, the used price of the non-VR
    > version of the lens will fall.
    >
    > The problem is, nobody seems to have this lens. Plenty of places are
    > still selling the AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
    >
    > http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4d_if_2/index.htm
    >
    >
    > but I can find few places that sell the VR version. One that does is
    > "Simply Electronics" who must be one of the most doggy sellers around,
    > so I doubt they actually have them.
    >
    > Much the same thing applies to the 600mm equivalent
    >
    > http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_600mmf_4g_vr/index.htm


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  3. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Paul Furman wrote:
    > Dave wrote:
    >> Nikon have the AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR lens on their web site.
    >>
    >> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    >>
    >>
    >> Are there many of these around? I doubt I can afford to buy one, but I
    >> reckon that when they become available, the used price of the non-VR
    >> version of the lens will fall.
    >>
    >> The problem is, nobody seems to have this lens. Plenty of places are
    >> still selling the AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
    >>
    >> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4d_if_2/index.htm
    >>
    >>
    >> but I can find few places that sell the VR version. One that does is
    >> "Simply Electronics" who must be one of the most doggy sellers around,
    >> so I doubt they actually have them.
    >>
    >> Much the same thing applies to the 600mm equivalent
    >>
    >> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_600mmf_4g_vr/index.htm

    >
    >
    > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...sp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit
    >
    > Availability: Out of Stock
    > Notify when in stock
    > Add to Wishlist
    >



    Yes, that was what I was finding. The only people that claim to have
    them in stock is the doggy dealers on eBay which claim to have
    everything in stock, but you know they order them once an order is
    placed (if they order them at all).

    Are these long telephoto VR lenses from Nikon vaporware?

    Perhaps Nikon are having problems making them.
    Dave, Sep 8, 2008
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  4. Dave

    Eric Stevens Guest

    On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:42:12 +0100, Dave <> wrote:

    >Paul Furman wrote:
    >> Dave wrote:
    >>> Nikon have the AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR lens on their web site.
    >>>
    >>> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Are there many of these around? I doubt I can afford to buy one, but I
    >>> reckon that when they become available, the used price of the non-VR
    >>> version of the lens will fall.
    >>>
    >>> The problem is, nobody seems to have this lens. Plenty of places are
    >>> still selling the AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
    >>>
    >>> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4d_if_2/index.htm
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> but I can find few places that sell the VR version. One that does is
    >>> "Simply Electronics" who must be one of the most doggy sellers around,
    >>> so I doubt they actually have them.
    >>>
    >>> Much the same thing applies to the 600mm equivalent
    >>>
    >>> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_600mmf_4g_vr/index.htm

    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...sp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit
    >>
    >> Availability: Out of Stock
    >> Notify when in stock
    >> Add to Wishlist
    >>

    >
    >
    >Yes, that was what I was finding. The only people that claim to have
    >them in stock is the doggy dealers on eBay which claim to have
    >everything in stock, but you know they order them once an order is
    >placed (if they order them at all).
    >
    >Are these long telephoto VR lenses from Nikon vaporware?


    See
    http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    >
    >Perhaps Nikon are having problems making them.




    Eric Stevens
    Eric Stevens, Sep 8, 2008
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  5. Dave

    Guest

    On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:00:51 +0100, in rec.photo.digital Dave <>
    wrote:

    >Nikon have the AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR lens on their web site.
    >
    >http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/telephoto/af-s_500mmf_4g_vr/index.htm
    >
    >Are there many of these around? I doubt I can afford to buy one, but I
    >reckon that when they become available, the used price of the non-VR
    >version of the lens will fall.



    Instead you might consider the Nikon 200-400mm f/4 G-AFS ED-IF VR Lens +
    TC-14EII. for a fair bit less $$$.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...p&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=19&Go.y=9&Go=submit
    , Sep 8, 2008
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  6. >>Perhaps Nikon are having problems making them.

    Perhaps the Olympics depleted the worldwide supply.
    Andrew Koenig, Sep 9, 2008
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  7. Dave

    Rich Guest

    On Sep 8, 6:17 am, "Rita Berkowitz" <> wrote:
    > Dave wrote:
    > > Are these long telephoto VR lenses from Nikon vaporware?

    >
    > Not at all.  The demand is so high you just have to go on a stinking waiting
    > list from the dealer of your choice, which usually means you prepay with a
    > credit card.


    Nikon charging dealers for pre-orders? That is not good. If or if
    not, better hope the dealer is solvent.
    Rich, Sep 9, 2008
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  8. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Rita Berkowitz wrote:
    > Savageduck wrote:


    >> Go on Rita, sell him yours. That is waaaay too much glass to haul
    >> around stuck on that D3.

    >
    > It is really a well balanced machine with the 500 on it. The D3 doesn't
    > feel the same with any other lens attached.
    >
    >> To be fair he must have a purpose in mind, and you have the means (at
    >> a fair market price) to help.

    >
    > Right now the only way the old 500 will be sold is fair market price
    > +$1,000.
    >
    >
    >
    > Rita


    I can't really justify buying a new VR model (I'm not a pro), but I am
    beginning to wonder if its worth paying the sort of money used AF-S II
    models are selling for. I reckon buying a used but good condition 500 mm
    one from the USA, paying shipping and duty as it comes into the UK will
    cost me about 65% of the new price of VR model bought in the UK
    (assuming I can find one).

    Whilst 35% extra for a new VR model is not in insignificant sum of
    money, the fact a new one would

    * Have VR
    * Be new and be warrantied
    * Avoid the risks associated with Paypal
    * Be lighter

    starts to make a new one look more attractive. Just hard to justify
    spending that sort of money on a lens, but I am now giving it serious
    consideration.
    Dave, Sep 9, 2008
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  9. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Rita Berkowitz wrote:

    > When I buy used lenses I strictly follow the 40% rule. This means that
    > no matter what I pay for it I will/should get at least 40% return on my
    > purchase when I flip it. Deals are out there so you just have patience
    > in find them.
    >
    >
    >
    > Rita


    I don't know what you mean by "flip it". Do you mean you expect to get
    40% back if you sell it? Sorry, I'm not from the USA.

    There appears to be no problem in getting 40% back on any Nikon lens.
    I've got lenses I bought a few years back, such as a 20 mm f/2.8, which
    I am sure I could sell at a 40% profit today. They tend to hold their
    value well.

    There are undoubtedly more lenses in the US than here in the UK, which
    probably makes it easier to find one in the US. Sellers in the US are
    sometimes reluctant to sell to those outside the US. And I'm a bit
    reluctant to send serious money to someone in the US unless I am 100%
    sure they are OK.


    I think the person selling this *used* Nikon 600mm 600/4 F4 AF-S (not
    AF-S II)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380062404158

    is being more than a little optimistic. Although it is in Europe, it's
    US equivalent is $9,321. Given other sellers are selling the newer AF-S
    II models, brand new for only $200 more, I think the seller is on
    another planet.
    Dave, Sep 10, 2008
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  10. Dave

    tony cooper Guest

    On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:02:48 +0100, Dave <> wrote:

    >Rita Berkowitz wrote:
    >
    >> When I buy used lenses I strictly follow the 40% rule. This means that
    >> no matter what I pay for it I will/should get at least 40% return on my
    >> purchase when I flip it. Deals are out there so you just have patience
    >> in find them.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Rita

    >
    >I don't know what you mean by "flip it". Do you mean you expect to get
    >40% back if you sell it? Sorry, I'm not from the USA.


    We use the word "flip" to mean to buy something and then resell it at
    a profit. Usually, the word is used to describe buying and reselling
    within a short period of time. It doesn't always work that way.

    What Rita has said is that she expects to make 40% profit (return) on
    the sale. For example, if she buys it for $100 she expects to sell it
    for $140. (Profit is calculated here as a percentage of cost)

    That would be very hard to do with something like a camera lens, but
    Rita feels she can find a good enough deal when buying to be able to
    resell at a profit.


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    tony cooper, Sep 10, 2008
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  11. Dave

    Dave Guest

    tony cooper wrote:
    > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:02:48 +0100, Dave <> wrote:
    >
    >> Rita Berkowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> When I buy used lenses I strictly follow the 40% rule. This means that
    >>> no matter what I pay for it I will/should get at least 40% return on my
    >>> purchase when I flip it. Deals are out there so you just have patience
    >>> in find them.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Rita

    >> I don't know what you mean by "flip it". Do you mean you expect to get
    >> 40% back if you sell it? Sorry, I'm not from the USA.

    >
    > We use the word "flip" to mean to buy something and then resell it at
    > a profit. Usually, the word is used to describe buying and reselling
    > within a short period of time. It doesn't always work that way.
    >
    > What Rita has said is that she expects to make 40% profit (return) on
    > the sale. For example, if she buys it for $100 she expects to sell it
    > for $140. (Profit is calculated here as a percentage of cost)
    >
    > That would be very hard to do with something like a camera lens, but
    > Rita feels she can find a good enough deal when buying to be able to
    > resell at a profit.
    >
    >



    Thank you for that explanation.

    I tend to agree with you - I doubt you can make 40% profit easily on a
    camera lens by selling it quickly. Of course, it is always possible
    someone puts a very low buy it now on eBay, but most unlikely. I tend to
    see more extreamly high buy it nows on eBay than I ever do very low
    ones. I know of one dealer on eBay which was trying to sell X1195A CPUs
    for Sun workstations for about $900. At the same time they were selling
    for about $15 on average. I tend to see those sort of things far more
    than someone selling something at 71% of its market value, so I can sell
    it at a 40% profit.

    I do believe I've bought Nikon lenses a few years back which I could
    sell at a reasonable profit. It rather makes me think there is no point
    in hiring lenses except for very short periods, as you might as well buy
    them and sell them, effectively hiring them for nothing.

    Depreciation on Sigma, Tamron and and other 3rd party lenses appears to
    be a lot higher than on Nikons.

    I suspect the second hand value of these non-VR lenses will drop a bit
    if/when the VR's are easy to get.
    Dave, Sep 10, 2008
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