Canon G7, Panasonic FZ50, Nikon P5000 vs. low end DSLRs

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  1. Guest

    I am still slowly considering for my next digital cameras. It was
    still either the high end point and shot camera, or a low end DSLR
    (which they are basically on the same price range). As some readers in
    these newsgroup suggested, I went to the photo shop and try the
    cameras in my hand. The following are my impressions. I welcome the
    comments from others.
    - Low end DSLR have a "cheap" plastic feeling. I know that this should
    not be a factor for photo qualities. However, I feel uncomfortable
    with the cheap plastic cameras. My old SLR cameras are all heavy and
    made of metal... including the lens' casing.
    - For P&S, I am still not comfortable for the fact that Nikon camera
    was not made in Japan (as compared to Canon G7 and Panasonic FZ50).
    Again, some readers already suggested that where the camera is
    manufactured should not effect the camera's quality). I am also sure
    that a lot of the components of the cameras were not made in Japan.
    - FZ50 is much bulky than G7. I am still not 100% sure whether this
    will affect my choice. I like to have the camera fit into my pocket.
    The Ultra compact does not have extra features as the high end P&S.
    - I tried couple of shots in the shop with the G7. If I am not
    mistaken, the quality in FZ50 seems sharper than the G7.
    - I do like the feel of the G7 - solid. Except for the protective
    shutter. If I handled roughly into my pocket, the shutter may be
    dislodged. I wish they have a sliding steel cover (like in smaller/
    compact Sony or Olympus models). I recall that the Canon A series that
    I used for work had the cover shutter damaged during rugged uses and
    it does not close properly now - although the camera is still
    functioning.
    - I checked at DPReview for side by side comparison between G7 and
    P5000. They seem to have similar features across. However, someone in
    the newsgroup indicated that G7 has more manual features than P5000.
    P5000 is smaller and lighter... but I can feel that G7 seems to be
    built better and stronger. Picture quality that I tried in the shop
    was not that great, but it could be the lighting too.
    At the end of the day, I am still thinking either G7 or FZ50... and
    now tend to weight more on the G7 for its compactness.... unless
    Panasonic made one which comparable in features and price as G7. I am
    a little turn-off my plastic quality of low end DSLR. If I am going to
    that route (perhaps next time), I may think about higher end DSLR
    instead.
     
    , May 7, 2007
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    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I am still slowly considering for my next digital cameras. It was
    > still either the high end point and shot camera, or a low end DSLR
    > (which they are basically on the same price range). As some readers

    in
    > these newsgroup suggested, I went to the photo shop and try the
    > cameras in my hand. The following are my impressions. I welcome the
    > comments from others.
    > - Low end DSLR have a "cheap" plastic feeling. I know that this

    should
    > not be a factor for photo qualities. However, I feel uncomfortable
    > with the cheap plastic cameras. My old SLR cameras are all heavy and
    > made of metal... including the lens' casing.
    > - For P&S, I am still not comfortable for the fact that Nikon camera
    > was not made in Japan (as compared to Canon G7 and Panasonic FZ50).
    > Again, some readers already suggested that where the camera is
    > manufactured should not effect the camera's quality). I am also sure
    > that a lot of the components of the cameras were not made in Japan.
    > - FZ50 is much bulky than G7. I am still not 100% sure whether this
    > will affect my choice. I like to have the camera fit into my pocket.
    > The Ultra compact does not have extra features as the high end P&S.
    > - I tried couple of shots in the shop with the G7. If I am not
    > mistaken, the quality in FZ50 seems sharper than the G7.
    > - I do like the feel of the G7 - solid. Except for the protective
    > shutter. If I handled roughly into my pocket, the shutter may be
    > dislodged. I wish they have a sliding steel cover (like in smaller/
    > compact Sony or Olympus models). I recall that the Canon A series

    that
    > I used for work had the cover shutter damaged during rugged uses and
    > it does not close properly now - although the camera is still
    > functioning.
    > - I checked at DPReview for side by side comparison between G7 and
    > P5000. They seem to have similar features across. However, someone

    in
    > the newsgroup indicated that G7 has more manual features than P5000.
    > P5000 is smaller and lighter... but I can feel that G7 seems to be
    > built better and stronger. Picture quality that I tried in the shop
    > was not that great, but it could be the lighting too.
    > At the end of the day, I am still thinking either G7 or FZ50... and
    > now tend to weight more on the G7 for its compactness.... unless
    > Panasonic made one which comparable in features and price as G7. I

    am
    > a little turn-off my plastic quality of low end DSLR. If I am going

    to
    > that route (perhaps next time), I may think about higher end DSLR
    > instead.
    >
    >


    Depends what you are looking at in the 'low-end' DSLR. There are many
    good buys in that area at the moment. The Canon EOS350 is good and
    comparable with a P&S. The EOS400 will be cheap soon as it will be
    superseded by the EOS410. The Nikon D50 is really quite cheap and
    almost as good as the D40 (avoid the D40X - lens compatibility
    issues.)

    I got the D70s - have been a Nikon user for years and still have an
    F501 and an F75 so my choice was somewhat made for me. OK it is now 18
    months old and two generations behind current models (D80/D200) but it
    still takes damn good pictures and beats almost any compact.
    I also got a Canon Ixus60 - which is very cheap at the moment - and
    find that I use it more than the Nikon! Again the race for pixels
    should be avoided: unless you <know> you will need to crop severely,
    5Mp or 6Mp is more than enough - above that you start to run into
    noise problems. The other current front runner in the compact area is
    the Fuji F30 which gets good comments about low noise levels and
    3200ASA! The lens and your post-taking software are more important
    than the race for pixels. What is the point in having a 7Mp or 8Mp or
    more camera when the lens cannot match it (which certainly the Canon
    can?)

    As for facilities, I have long since learnt that most of my picture
    failures are when I override the camera - for exposure it usually
    knows best, and where it doesn't (like silhouettes) it is easy to
    achieve with a little movement of the focus/metering position. Much
    more important is the shutter lag - which you can ignore with DSLRs.
    Canon, Casio, and Fuji compacts are among the quickest, Nikon and
    Olympus the slowest IME.

    In the final analysis, it is the idiot behind the viewfinder that
    makes the picture, not the camera.


    --
    Woody

    harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
     
    harrogate3, May 7, 2007
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  3. Guest

    On May 6, 4:39 pm, wrote:
    > I am still slowly considering for my next digital cameras. It was
    > still either the high end point and shot camera, or a low end DSLR
    > (which they are basically on the same price range). As some readers in
    > these newsgroup suggested, I went to the photo shop and try the
    > cameras in my hand. The following are my impressions. I welcome the
    > comments from others.
    > - Low end DSLR have a "cheap" plastic feeling. I know that this should
    > not be a factor for photo qualities. However, I feel uncomfortable
    > with the cheap plastic cameras. My old SLR cameras are all heavy and
    > made of metal... including the lens' casing.
    > - For P&S, I am still not comfortable for the fact that Nikon camera
    > was not made in Japan (as compared toCanonG7and Panasonic FZ50).
    > Again, some readers already suggested that where the camera is
    > manufactured should not effect the camera's quality). I am also sure
    > that a lot of the components of the cameras were not made in Japan.
    > - FZ50 is much bulky thanG7. I am still not 100% sure whether this
    > will affect my choice. I like to have the camera fit into my pocket.
    > The Ultra compact does not have extra features as the high end P&S.
    > - I tried couple of shots in the shop with theG7. If I am not
    > mistaken, the quality in FZ50 seems sharper than theG7.
    > - I do like the feel of theG7- solid. Except for the protective
    > shutter. If I handled roughly into my pocket, the shutter may be
    > dislodged. I wish they have a sliding steel cover (like in smaller/
    > compact Sony or Olympus models). I recall that theCanonA series that
    > I used for work had the cover shutter damaged during rugged uses and
    > it does not close properly now - although the camera is still
    > functioning.
    > - I checked at DPReview for side by side comparison betweenG7and
    > P5000. They seem to have similar features across. However, someone in
    > the newsgroup indicated thatG7has more manual features than P5000.
    > P5000 is smaller and lighter... but I can feel thatG7seems to be
    > built better and stronger. Picture quality that I tried in the shop
    > was not that great, but it could be the lighting too.
    > At the end of the day, I am still thinking eitherG7or FZ50... and
    > now tend to weight more on theG7for its compactness.... unless
    > Panasonic made one which comparable in features and price asG7. I am
    > a little turn-off my plastic quality of low end DSLR. If I am going to
    > that route (perhaps next time), I may think about higher end DSLR
    > instead.


    I've got a G7 I carry in my pocket. It's on the heavy side, I've got
    a big pocket, but still I've finally got a camera in my pocket with
    better resolution my eyes. (The canon has 10MP and 6x optical zoom,
    that's 10x6x6=360. My eyes seem to be around 250. My previous pocket
    camera, a Fuji F10, weighed in at 6.3x3x3=57, really didn't cut it.
    Though it was smaller and lighter.)

    The G7, on macro and completely unzoomed, can focus close enough to
    the lens that I can't avoid casting a shadow. Great for flowers and
    ants and mushrooms, though I struggle with focusing on the right
    thing. Picking up craters on the moon, the digital zoom actually
    improves resolution, and the IS helps a lot. Images at 1/5 sec blur
    but 1/20 sec are OK. Normally I keep the camera in program mode, with
    digital zoom turned off, no flash, 10mpix images, lowest quality
    ("normal"). The G7 is interesting in that lowest quality results in
    images between .5MB and 2.5MB, depending on how much detail it picked
    up. Pictures with grass lawns tend to have high MB. Focus/motion is
    always more of an issue than than image compression artifacts, so the
    higher quality settings are pointless. I usually don't have a tripod
    handy (doesn't fit in my pocket). I've tried taking pictures of
    swallows flying by; even on manual focus it's pointless due to the
    delay between pressing the button and taking the picture. I've been
    reminding myself lately to take more story and cute-kid pictures --
    even though they don't challenge the camera in any way, they're more
    often what people want to see than closeups of moss spores.
     
    , May 7, 2007
    #3
  4. On May 7, 8:39 am, wrote:

    > At the end of the day, I am still thinking either G7 or FZ50... and
    > now tend to weight more on the G7 for its compactness.... unless
    > Panasonic made one which comparable in features and price as G7. I am
    > a little turn-off my plastic quality of low end DSLR. If I am going to
    > that route (perhaps next time), I may think about higher end DSLR
    > instead.


    Get Panasonic LX2. Or wait for Sigma DP1.
     
    carrera d'olbani, May 7, 2007
    #4
  5. wrote:
    > I am still slowly considering for my next digital cameras. It was
    > still either the high end point and shot camera, or a low end DSLR
    > (which they are basically on the same price range). As some readers in
    > these newsgroup suggested, I went to the photo shop and try the
    > cameras in my hand. The following are my impressions. I welcome the
    > comments from others.
    > - Low end DSLR have a "cheap" plastic feeling. I know that this should
    > not be a factor for photo qualities. However, I feel uncomfortable
    > with the cheap plastic cameras. My old SLR cameras are all heavy and
    > made of metal... including the lens' casing.
    > - For P&S, I am still not comfortable for the fact that Nikon camera
    > was not made in Japan (as compared to Canon G7 and Panasonic FZ50).
    > Again, some readers already suggested that where the camera is
    > manufactured should not effect the camera's quality). I am also sure
    > that a lot of the components of the cameras were not made in Japan.
    > - FZ50 is much bulky than G7. I am still not 100% sure whether this
    > will affect my choice. I like to have the camera fit into my pocket.
    > The Ultra compact does not have extra features as the high end P&S.
    > - I tried couple of shots in the shop with the G7. If I am not
    > mistaken, the quality in FZ50 seems sharper than the G7.
    > - I do like the feel of the G7 - solid. Except for the protective
    > shutter. If I handled roughly into my pocket, the shutter may be
    > dislodged. I wish they have a sliding steel cover (like in smaller/
    > compact Sony or Olympus models). I recall that the Canon A series that
    > I used for work had the cover shutter damaged during rugged uses and
    > it does not close properly now - although the camera is still
    > functioning.
    > - I checked at DPReview for side by side comparison between G7 and
    > P5000. They seem to have similar features across. However, someone in
    > the newsgroup indicated that G7 has more manual features than P5000.
    > P5000 is smaller and lighter... but I can feel that G7 seems to be
    > built better and stronger. Picture quality that I tried in the shop
    > was not that great, but it could be the lighting too.
    > At the end of the day, I am still thinking either G7 or FZ50... and
    > now tend to weight more on the G7 for its compactness.... unless
    > Panasonic made one which comparable in features and price as G7. I am
    > a little turn-off my plastic quality of low end DSLR. If I am going to
    > that route (perhaps next time), I may think about higher end DSLR
    > instead.


    I have come to the same conclusions myself, having some seriously well built
    film kit (Canon T-90) and unable to afford any sort of dSLR with event 20% of
    the sturdiness. The EOS-350/400 are flimsy little toys that are too small for
    comfort yet far too big to fit in a pocket.

    I ended up choosing the G7 as it is a seriously well built camera with myriads
    of manual options, good controls and, particularly good for me as I have a
    Speedlight 420EX, a Canon system flash hotshoe.

    The only 3 minus points are 1: the small compact-camera sensor is rather noisy
    at high ISO settings, but it does offer a lower resolution ISO 3200 mode
    that'll get a picture that most can't. Desaturate it and the noise becomes
    grain...

    2: It is a little bulky, especially when in a case. It will fit in a pocket
    however, which is more than can be said for any dSLR I've seen.

    3: It does not capture in RAW; you're stuck with JPEG. You may not care; for
    what I use this camera for I don't.

    An advantage is that if you need to bang any nails in it'll probably cope with
    it. ;-)
     
    Richard Polhill, May 8, 2007
    #5
  6. Richard Polhill <> observed
    > wrote:
    >> I am still slowly considering for my next digital cameras. It was
    >> still either the high end point and shot camera, or a low end DSLR
    >> (which they are basically on the same price range). As some readers in
    >> these newsgroup suggested, I went to the photo shop and try the
    >> cameras in my hand. The following are my impressions. I welcome the
    >> comments from others.

    [snips]
    >I have come to the same conclusions myself, having some seriously well
    >built film kit (Canon T-90) and unable to afford any sort of dSLR with
    >event 20% of the sturdiness. The EOS-350/400 are flimsy little toys
    >that are too small for comfort yet far too big to fit in a pocket.
    >
    >I ended up choosing the G7 as it is a seriously well built camera with
    >myriads of manual options, good controls and, particularly good for me
    >as I have a Speedlight 420EX, a Canon system flash hotshoe.
    >
    >The only 3 minus points are 1: the small compact-camera sensor is
    >rather noisy at high ISO settings, but it does offer a lower resolution
    >ISO 3200 mode that'll get a picture that most can't. Desaturate it and
    >the noise becomes grain...
    >
    >2: It is a little bulky, especially when in a case. It will fit in a
    >pocket however, which is more than can be said for any dSLR I've seen.
    >
    >3: It does not capture in RAW; you're stuck with JPEG. You may not
    >care; for what I use this camera for I don't.


    I recently got an FZ50 after very satisfactory three years with the
    smaller FZ3 & 5. (I'm keeping the FZ5 for its lower weight when
    backpacking.)

    The lens is gorgeous! I've just started playing with RAW, and the
    quality blows me over. (I am reminded of the quality I used to get from
    an Elmar 135mm f4 with my M3, which I used with bellows for infinity
    down to 1:1).

    But the noise problem is there, but with RAW one is free from the
    pre-programmed in camera processing. I haven't explored that yet.

    Mike

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    Michael J Davis, May 8, 2007
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