Can't figure this out -color

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by max morrison, Jan 2, 2004.

  1. max morrison

    max morrison Guest

    "Sasha Raighaun" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi,
    > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look
    > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need
    > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > would be great. Thanks.
    >
    > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > situation.



    Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?
     
    max morrison, Jan 2, 2004
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  2. Hi,
    I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look
    in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need
    to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    would be great. Thanks.

    By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    situation.
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 2, 2004
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  3. max morrison

    stupid_idiot Guest

    I would take a guess you have saved as cmyk? versus rgb.

    "max morrison" <> wrote in message news:3ff4c58c$...
    >
    > "Sasha Raighaun" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hi,
    > > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look
    > > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need
    > > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > > would be great. Thanks.
    > >
    > > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > > situation.

    >
    >
    > Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?
    >
    >
     
    stupid_idiot, Jan 2, 2004
    #3
  4. No, sorry. I don't have a site. I was creating the image for a friend's
    site. There really isn't much to the problem only that the pic that would be
    visible on the web would look much more washed out than it looks in PS.

    max morrison wrote:

    > "Sasha Raighaun" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hi,
    > > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look
    > > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need
    > > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > > would be great. Thanks.
    > >
    > > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > > situation.

    >
    > Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 2, 2004
    #4
  5. I had to check, but no, I've been saving as RGB.

    stupid_idiot wrote:

    > I would take a guess you have saved as cmyk? versus rgb.
    >
    > "max morrison" <> wrote in message news:3ff4c58c$...
    > >
    > > "Sasha Raighaun" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Hi,
    > > > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > > > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > > > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > > > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look
    > > > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > > > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need
    > > > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > > > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > > > would be great. Thanks.
    > > >
    > > > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > > > situation.

    > >
    > >
    > > Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?
    > >
    > >
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 2, 2004
    #5
  6. max morrison

    Mike Russell Guest

    Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > Hi,
    > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will
    > look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I
    > need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand
    > new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or
    > insight would be great. Thanks.
    >
    > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > situation.


    Are you using either Adobe RGB or sRGB as your working space? Check your
    color settings dialog. If your working space is set to Adobe RGB, try
    switching to sRGB and saving as a jpeg. If it looks better, that's the
    problem.

    Even sRGB will look a little washed out when viewed in a browser on a
    Macintosh, because the native gamma of a Mac is different than a PC, but
    sRGB is a good compromise between Mac and PC.

    If you want your images to look their best on a Macintosh, use Colormatch or
    Apple RGB as your working space, but this will be a bit too dark on the PC.
    --

    Mike Russell
    www.curvemeister.com
    www.geigy.2y.net
     
    Mike Russell, Jan 2, 2004
    #6
  7. Thanks. I wasn't sure, but I checked and it's set to sRGB. I experimented with
    all the differnet color settings (colorsync, adobeRGB etc.,) and while it
    changed the look of the image in PS, the image, saved with each of the differnt
    color settings, looked almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily
    washed-out look. Maybe the problem is in the browser?
    I'm pretty new to Apple. I didn't realize that images would look different
    on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a browser) is
    washed out, it may look fine on a PC? Thanks again for your insight.

    Mike Russell wrote:

    > Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > > Hi,
    > > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will
    > > look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I
    > > need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand
    > > new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or
    > > insight would be great. Thanks.
    > >
    > > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > > situation.

    >
    > Are you using either Adobe RGB or sRGB as your working space? Check your
    > color settings dialog. If your working space is set to Adobe RGB, try
    > switching to sRGB and saving as a jpeg. If it looks better, that's the
    > problem.
    >
    > Even sRGB will look a little washed out when viewed in a browser on a
    > Macintosh, because the native gamma of a Mac is different than a PC, but
    > sRGB is a good compromise between Mac and PC.
    >
    > If you want your images to look their best on a Macintosh, use Colormatch or
    > Apple RGB as your working space, but this will be a bit too dark on the PC.
    > --
    >
    > Mike Russell
    > www.curvemeister.com
    > www.geigy.2y.net
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 2, 2004
    #7
  8. max morrison

    Mike Russell Guest

    Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > Thanks. I wasn't sure, but I checked and it's set to sRGB. I
    > experimented with all the differnet color settings (colorsync,
    > adobeRGB etc.,) and while it changed the look of the image in PS,
    > the image, saved with each of the differnt color settings, looked
    > almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily washed-out
    > look.

    It sounds like your using "Image>Mode>Assign Profile" instead of "Convert
    to Profile". Try the latter and see if the images look better in the
    browser.

    Another possibility is your Adobe Gamma setup - try running that utility
    once more, then restart Photoshop.

    > Maybe the problem is in the browser?

    It's not the browser.

    > I'm pretty new to
    > Apple. I didn't realize that images would look different
    > on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a
    > browser) is washed out, it may look fine on a PC?


    Yes, and you can preview this using a feature called "soft proofing" This
    is done by selecting the appropriate options under the View menu.

    > Thanks again
    > for your insight.


    And hopefully for an actual solution!

    --

    Mike Russell
    www.curvemeister.com
    www.geigy.2y.net
     
    Mike Russell, Jan 2, 2004
    #8
  9. max morrison

    J C Guest

    On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:00:53 -0500, Sasha Raighaun
    <> wrote:

    >I had to check, but no, I've been saving as RGB.
    >


    First I'd ask, is it just your browser on the machine that has PS
    installed or a lot of other browsers as well.

    If it is just your browser then I'd guess that your monitor is not
    color tuned.

    If it is everyone elses browser as well, then I'd guess that Photoshop
    is not using the correct color profile.


    -- JC
     
    J C, Jan 3, 2004
    #9
  10. max morrison

    Cosmick Guest

    Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > Hi,
    > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will

    look
    > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I

    need
    > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > would be great. Thanks.
    >
    > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > situation.


    In Save for web there is a small triangle above the right corner of the
    displayed image.Click it and on the flyout choose >Use Document Colour
    Profile
    --

    Mick

    To reply,make the
    the river a pond.
     
    Cosmick, Jan 3, 2004
    #10
  11. I tried the "convert to profile" and it did look a tiny bit better. I'll
    have to play around with the gamma to see what happens there.
    Cool. I didn't even realize the Proof preview feature existed. From the
    proofing, the image looks great in Windows, and only washed out in the Mac
    and monitor options. I guess I can live with that since most people would be
    viewing the image on Windows. Thanks again for your help.


    Mike Russell wrote:

    > Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > > Thanks. I wasn't sure, but I checked and it's set to sRGB. I
    > > experimented with all the differnet color settings (colorsync,
    > > adobeRGB etc.,) and while it changed the look of the image in PS,
    > > the image, saved with each of the differnt color settings, looked
    > > almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily washed-out
    > > look.

    > It sounds like your using "Image>Mode>Assign Profile" instead of "Convert
    > to Profile". Try the latter and see if the images look better in the
    > browser.
    >
    > Another possibility is your Adobe Gamma setup - try running that utility
    > once more, then restart Photoshop.
    >
    > > Maybe the problem is in the browser?

    > It's not the browser.
    >
    > > I'm pretty new to
    > > Apple. I didn't realize that images would look different
    > > on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a
    > > browser) is washed out, it may look fine on a PC?

    >
    > Yes, and you can preview this using a feature called "soft proofing" This
    > is done by selecting the appropriate options under the View menu.
    >
    > > Thanks again
    > > for your insight.

    >
    > And hopefully for an actual solution!
    >
    > --
    >
    > Mike Russell
    > www.curvemeister.com
    > www.geigy.2y.net
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 3, 2004
    #11
  12. Thanks. I'll try that as well.

    Cosmick wrote:

    > Sasha Raighaun wrote:
    > > Hi,
    > > I've got a problem that's driving me crazy. Images I create in
    > > Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers.
    > > I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I
    > > save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will

    > look
    > > in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
    > > What's going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I

    > need
    > > to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I'm brand new to
    > > PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight
    > > would be great. Thanks.
    > >
    > > By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the
    > > situation.

    >
    > In Save for web there is a small triangle above the right corner of the
    > displayed image.Click it and on the flyout choose >Use Document Colour
    > Profile
    > --
    >
    > Mick
    >
    > To reply,make the
    > the river a pond.
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 3, 2004
    #12
  13. Thanks. I haven't been able to check how it would look on other
    machines yet. But I guess the color tuning of my monitor could be part
    of the problem. My little Mac is getting a little long in the tooth.
    It's almost four years old now.

    J C wrote:

    > On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:00:53 -0500, Sasha Raighaun
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >I had to check, but no, I've been saving as RGB.
    > >

    >
    > First I'd ask, is it just your browser on the machine that has PS
    > installed or a lot of other browsers as well.
    >
    > If it is just your browser then I'd guess that your monitor is not
    > color tuned.
    >
    > If it is everyone elses browser as well, then I'd guess that Photoshop
    > is not using the correct color profile.
    >
    > -- JC
     
    Sasha Raighaun, Jan 3, 2004
    #13
  14. max morrison

    Husky Guest

    On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:15:43 -0500, Sasha Raighaun <>
    wrote:
    Check the PSA link on the news page here. I made the link for myself in case I
    ever lose the images on the page again.
    It also provides a link to the page the images came from.
    But something else that might cause differences is available memory when you
    have the image loaded. If it's important, you should make sure it's the only
    image in use at the time.
    ie: One of these images I had loaded into ps7, also had it loaded into
    irfanview. ps7's color picker and irfanviews color picker agreed 100% , but I'm
    sitting here looking at the 2 images in 2 different programs and there was a
    definite washout to the one in ps7.
    Rebooted the machine and repeated previous with ONLY those two items running.
    and now actual visual colors are identical.
    They were identical previously but the monitor showed a definite difference
    based on memory in use.
    IOW before committing anything to paper you should make sure the machines got
    enough free ram to work correctly.
    http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/bev/index.html

    > Thanks. I haven't been able to check how it would look on other
    >machines yet. But I guess the color tuning of my monitor could be part
    >of the problem. My little Mac is getting a little long in the tooth.
    >It's almost four years old now.



    more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
     
    Husky, Jan 3, 2004
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