Computer Monitors for Photo Editing

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Ken Stahl, Nov 1, 2008.

  1. Ken Stahl

    Ken Stahl Guest

    Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.

    Thanks,

    Ken
     
    Ken Stahl, Nov 1, 2008
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  2. Ken Stahl

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    On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    Browne <> wrote:

    >Ken Stahl wrote:
    >> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.

    >
    >I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x 1200).


    I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same size and
    resolution.
     
    , Nov 1, 2008
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  3. Ken Stahl

    Guest

    On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:10 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    Browne <> wrote:

    > wrote:
    >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    >> Browne <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Ken Stahl wrote:
    >>>> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >>>> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >>>> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >>>> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    >>> I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x 1200).

    >>
    >> I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same size and
    >> resolution.

    >
    >I'm sure ... but you should reply to the OPoster.


    Bullshit, this is usenet and to paraphrase you, I can post what I want.
     
    , Nov 1, 2008
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  4. Ken Stahl

    Bob Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:10 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    > Browne <> wrote:
    >
    > > wrote:
    > >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    > >> Browne <> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> Ken Stahl wrote:
    > >>>> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    > >>>> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    > >>>> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    > >>>> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    > >>> I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x 1200).
    > >>
    > >> I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same size and
    > >> resolution.

    > >
    > >I'm sure ... but you should reply to the OPoster.

    >
    > Bullshit, this is usenet and to paraphrase you, I can post what I want.


    certainly there is no law against ingnoring good advice,
    or against taking a foolish position in a newsgroup.


    >
     
    Bob, Nov 1, 2008
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  5. Ken Stahl

    Paul Furman Guest

    Ken Stahl wrote:
    > Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    > editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    > possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    > few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.


    I have a Planar PX2611W (26" LCD 1920x1200):
    http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204235069&listingid=2350750&dcaid=17902
    You can see in my review there about 'pixel creep'. I paid about $800
    but they're listing at $1000 now and out of stock. This company has done
    high end medical displays and this was their first venture into consumer
    gear. It is a great value for the price but there are some quality
    control issues: you get what you pay for.

    It uses IPS (versus TN or VA) which means the colors & brightness don't
    change with the viewing angle like most LCDs and it is also well
    regarded by gamers for fast response. I use it to watch Bluray videos as
    well. I like that the pixels are a little bigger than a 24".

    More reviews here:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016084
    http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_monitors/px_flatpanel/px2611w.cfm
    http://www.planar.com/howtobuy/onli...cii_nRGID=248&ProdName=PX2611W&ProdVary=Black

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    Paul Furman, Nov 1, 2008
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  6. Ken Stahl

    Guest

    On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:59:01 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    Browne <> wrote:

    >Bob wrote:
    >> In article <>,
    >> says...
    >>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:10 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    >>> Browne <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    >>>>> Browne <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Ken Stahl wrote:
    >>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >>>>>>> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >>>>>>> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >>>>>>> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    >>>>>> I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x 1200).
    >>>>> I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same size and
    >>>>> resolution.
    >>>> I'm sure ... but you should reply to the OPoster.
    >>> Bullshit, this is usenet and to paraphrase you, I can post what I want.

    >>
    >> certainly there is no law against ingnoring good advice,
    >> or against taking a foolish position in a newsgroup.

    >
    >... damn near tradition with some ...


    You know Alan if you want to be an a-hole, so be it. I guess it never would
    occur to you that all posts mights not be propagated to all ISPs at the
    same pace.
     
    , Nov 1, 2008
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  7. Ken Stahl

    Colin.D Guest

    wrote:
    > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:59:01 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    > Browne <> wrote:
    >
    >> Bob wrote:
    >>> In article <>,
    >>> says...
    >>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:10 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    >>>> Browne <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan
    >>>>>> Browne <> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Ken Stahl wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >>>>>>>> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >>>>>>>> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >>>>>>>> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    >>>>>>> I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x 1200).
    >>>>>> I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same size and
    >>>>>> resolution.
    >>>>> I'm sure ... but you should reply to the OPoster.
    >>>> Bullshit, this is usenet and to paraphrase you, I can post what I want.
    >>> certainly there is no law against ingnoring good advice,
    >>> or against taking a foolish position in a newsgroup.

    >> ... damn near tradition with some ...

    >
    > You know Alan if you want to be an a-hole, so be it. I guess it never would
    > occur to you that all posts mights not be propagated to all ISPs at the
    > same pace.


    Propagation varies, but a post will always be under its 'parent', IOW
    the one you reply to.

    Alan nitpicked a bit, but your response was somewhat childish.

    Colin D.
     
    Colin.D, Nov 1, 2008
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  8. Ken Stahl wrote:

    > Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    > editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    > possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    > few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.


    I'm lovin' my Samsung 24" 1920x1200. Model 245BW. Reasonably priced.


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  9. Ken Stahl

    Pat Guest

    On Nov 1, 11:38 am, "Ken Stahl" <> wrote:
    > Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    > editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    > possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degradein
    > few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Ken


    You really can't do photo editing without at least TWO monitors. You
    need one for the image and one for all of the menus and such.

    I'm at two now and am seriously considering a third one.
     
    Pat, Nov 2, 2008
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  10. Colin.D wrote:

    > wrote:
    >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:59:01 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
    >> Alan Browne <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Bob wrote:
    >>>> In article <>,
    >>>> says...
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:10 -0400, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
    >>>>> Alan Browne <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:55:32 -0400, in
    >>>>>>> rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Alan Browne
    >>>>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Ken Stahl wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for
    >>>>>>>>> photo editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are
    >>>>>>>>> preferred over LC. A possible problem though is that the red gun
    >>>>>>>>> in a CRT monitor will degrade in few years so that color editing
    >>>>>>>>> will tend to produce redder photos in print.
    >>>>>>>> I have fallen in love with my Apple iMac LCD monitor (24", 1920 x
    >>>>>>>> 1200).
    >>>>>>> I can also recommend the Eizo Coloredge CE240W LCD of the same
    >>>>>>> size and resolution.
    >>>>>> I'm sure ... but you should reply to the OPoster.
    >>>>> Bullshit, this is usenet and to paraphrase you, I can post what I
    >>>>> want.
    >>>> certainly there is no law against ingnoring good advice, or against
    >>>> taking a foolish position in a newsgroup.
    >>> ... damn near tradition with some ...

    >>
    >> You know Alan if you want to be an a-hole, so be it. I guess it never
    >> would occur to you that all posts mights not be propagated to all ISPs
    >> at the same pace.

    >
    > Propagation varies, but a post will always be under its 'parent', IOW
    > the one you reply to.


    I don't have a dog in this fight, but it should be noted - relative to
    that statement - that some people aren't clued enough to use a threaded
    view. For them, it's a flat list, with posts sorted by whatever they've
    chosen (or the program's default): date/time, subject, author, whatever.


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    Blinky the Shark, Nov 2, 2008
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  11. Fred wrote:

    > On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >>editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC.

    >
    > You must mean LCD, not LC... They were, but an LCD monitor with a good
    > video card (to allow gamma adjustment) now is better. You must, however,
    > run it at maximum native resolution. (not a problem, really.) I just
    > replaced my favorite NEC CRT monitor with an LCD after comparing them
    > side by side.
    >
    > I get good color from an Acer 22" but my 24" Samsung is better.
    >
    >> A
    >>possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will
    >>degrade in few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder
    >>photos in print.

    >
    > There is no such thing really as a 'red gun', there is red phosphor,
    > however,


    Well, yes there is. It's the one that targets the red phosphors.


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  12. Ken Stahl

    N Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I've never seen a CRT change
    > color with age, and I have some really old monitors. Generally, they get
    > fainter, but it takes years, and will probably break before they can
    > change
    > color.
    >
    >>
    >>Thanks,
    >>
    >>Ken
    >>

    >



    I've seen lots of them go yellow with age.
     
    N, Nov 2, 2008
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  13. Ken Stahl

    J. Clarke Guest

    wrote:
    > On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl"
    > <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for
    >> photo
    >> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over
    >> LC.

    >
    > You must mean LCD, not LC... They were, but an LCD monitor with a
    > good video card (to allow gamma adjustment) now is better. You must,
    > however, run it at maximum native resolution. (not a problem,
    > really.) I just replaced my favorite NEC CRT monitor with an LCD
    > after comparing them side by side.
    >
    > I get good color from an Acer 22" but my 24" Samsung is better.
    >
    >> A
    >> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will
    >> degrade in few years so that color editing will tend to produce
    >> redder photos in print.

    >
    > There is no such thing really as a 'red gun',


    On most CRTs there is a red gun--there are three electron guns in a
    triad that parallel the dot pattern, one for red, one for green, and
    one for blue--on a Trinitron or clone thereof they're side by side
    while on a conventional monitor they're in a triangle.

    Don't know why the one that is used to hit the red dots would wear out
    before the others though. Never had an electron gun in a monitor
    fail--generally it's the power supply or flyback that goes.

    > there is red phosphor,
    > however, and no reason for it to degrade more than any other, since
    > it probably differs in chemical content from one monitor to another.
    > I've never seen a CRT change color with age, and I have some really
    > old monitors. Generally, they get fainter, but it takes years, and
    > will probably break before they can change color.
    >
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Ken


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    J. Clarke, Nov 2, 2008
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  14. AnotherD@rnedSock wrote:
    []
    > They don't wear out, although they sometimes short out. They simply
    > drop a bit in emission levels and need balancing. Red is the gun that
    > gets the most use. More red in our normal viewing fare than blue or
    > green. All those flesh tones I guess. Back in the seventies &
    > eighties I spent many hours using one of these (
    > http://www.arcadecup.com/ident/bk467.jpg ) balancing guns on various
    > CRT displays. It would be more often the red gun low than either of
    > the others.
    > Amazing gadgets, I still have one, though not much use with modern
    > monitors/displays.
    >
    > Socky


    And just what is a "drop in emission", Socky, if not part of a gradual
    "wearing out" process? I can't speak for recent phosphors, but in the
    early days of colour one phosphors was rather less efficient than the
    rest, and therefore the gun illuminating that phosphor with electrons had
    to br driven harder, and hence tended to wear more rapidly.

    You may find these interesting:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

    http://www.ien.com/article/extending-display-life/2470

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 2, 2008
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  15. Ken Stahl

    J. Clarke Guest

    David J Taylor wrote:
    > AnotherD@rnedSock wrote:
    > []
    >> They don't wear out, although they sometimes short out. They simply
    >> drop a bit in emission levels and need balancing. Red is the gun
    >> that
    >> gets the most use. More red in our normal viewing fare than blue or
    >> green. All those flesh tones I guess. Back in the seventies &
    >> eighties I spent many hours using one of these (
    >> http://www.arcadecup.com/ident/bk467.jpg ) balancing guns on
    >> various
    >> CRT displays. It would be more often the red gun low than either of
    >> the others.
    >> Amazing gadgets, I still have one, though not much use with modern
    >> monitors/displays.
    >>
    >> Socky

    >
    > And just what is a "drop in emission", Socky, if not part of a
    > gradual
    > "wearing out" process? I can't speak for recent phosphors, but in
    > the
    > early days of colour one phosphors was rather less efficient than
    > the
    > rest, and therefore the gun illuminating that phosphor with
    > electrons
    > had
    > to br driven harder, and hence tended to wear more rapidly.
    >
    > You may find these interesting:
    >
    >
    > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
    >
    > http://www.ien.com/article/extending-display-life/2470


    I think you're coming at things from different perspectives--he's
    clearly an electronics technician for whom adjusting the output of an
    electron gun is as commonplace as adjusting the white balance is for
    you or me. So to you it's wear, to him it's an adjustment.

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    J. Clarke, Nov 2, 2008
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  16. On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl" <>
    wrote:

    >Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.


    What's more of a problem right now is _finding_ a good mid-range CRT.
    There are a few very-high-end specialty products, and a few low-end
    products still in the channels, but with current LCD prices I suspect
    the low-end will vanish in a year or so. Technicians capable of
    "tuning" a CRT are also becoming increasingly rare.

    I recommend looking for an LCD monitor with an S-IPS panel. Unless
    you are willing to pay a premium for the Apple name, this may involve
    a bit of a hunt. There's a (possibly outdated) list shown
    here:
    http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

    The next best alternative is an S-PVA panel. These are a little less
    expensive, but are also hard to find. The Lenovo L220x is a good
    example of that technology.

    You should also budget for a color calibration device and software.

    Note: This is being typed on a dog-standard 22" Westinghouse TN LCD
    monitor. My NEC 20WMGX2 (S-IPS) developed some blotchy areas and went
    off to Rancho Dominguez for repair yesterday.

    While the color accuracy of this thing is fine, the shift in color
    with viewing angle is far more obvious than in an office setting.
    Until my NEC comes back, I'm going to try to hold off on most of my
    digital editing and scanning.

    --
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    Cogito error sum -- I think something isn't quite adding up.
     
    Michael Benveniste, Nov 2, 2008
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  17. Ken Stahl

    Paul Furman Guest

    Michael Benveniste wrote:
    > On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >> editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >> possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >> few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.

    >
    > What's more of a problem right now is _finding_ a good mid-range CRT.
    > There are a few very-high-end specialty products, and a few low-end
    > products still in the channels, but with current LCD prices I suspect
    > the low-end will vanish in a year or so. Technicians capable of
    > "tuning" a CRT are also becoming increasingly rare.
    >
    > I recommend looking for an LCD monitor with an S-IPS panel. Unless
    > you are willing to pay a premium for the Apple name, this may involve
    > a bit of a hunt. There's a (possibly outdated) list shown
    > here:
    > http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php


    That list includes the 26" Planar I described in another reply and a 26"
    NEC with the same panel in it for $400 more.


    > The next best alternative is an S-PVA panel. These are a little less
    > expensive, but are also hard to find. The Lenovo L220x is a good
    > example of that technology.
    >
    > You should also budget for a color calibration device and software.
    >
    > Note: This is being typed on a dog-standard 22" Westinghouse TN LCD
    > monitor. My NEC 20WMGX2 (S-IPS) developed some blotchy areas and went
    > off to Rancho Dominguez for repair yesterday.
    >
    > While the color accuracy of this thing is fine, the shift in color
    > with viewing angle is far more obvious than in an office setting.
    > Until my NEC comes back, I'm going to try to hold off on most of my
    > digital editing and scanning.
    >



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    Paul Furman, Nov 2, 2008
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  18. Ken Stahl

    Guest

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:30:13 +1300, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
    "Colin.D" <> wrote:


    >Alan nitpicked a bit, but your response was somewhat childish.


    I was just parroting back one of his own past responses. At least my
    original reply was on topic unlike the political stuff Alan has posted in
    r.p.d.
     
    , Nov 2, 2008
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  19. Ken Stahl

    Eric Stevens Guest

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:21:36 -0500, Michael Benveniste
    <> wrote:

    >On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl" <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    >>editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    >>possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    >>few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.

    >
    >What's more of a problem right now is _finding_ a good mid-range CRT.
    >There are a few very-high-end specialty products, and a few low-end
    >products still in the channels, but with current LCD prices I suspect
    >the low-end will vanish in a year or so. Technicians capable of
    >"tuning" a CRT are also becoming increasingly rare.
    >
    >I recommend looking for an LCD monitor with an S-IPS panel. Unless
    >you are willing to pay a premium for the Apple name, this may involve
    >a bit of a hunt. There's a (possibly outdated) list shown
    >here:
    >http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php
    >
    >The next best alternative is an S-PVA panel. These are a little less
    >expensive, but are also hard to find. The Lenovo L220x is a good
    >example of that technology.


    I have recently bought a Dell 24" 2408WFP Ultrasharp monitor and
    cannot speak too highly of it, even when ignoring the low price. It
    has a 1920 x 1200 matte screen rather than the glossy screen of the
    Apple and I generally prefer it. It comes with the brightness set at
    only 50% which is almost too bright to bear with a blank screen. It
    should be able to maintain brightness for many years to come. It's
    colours are almost exactly right, even without calibration. I love it.

    If I were to replace it with something better I would not buy an Apple
    but an Eizo at three or four times the price. For my own amatuer work,
    I don't think the benefit is worth the cost.
    >
    >You should also budget for a color calibration device and software.


    Agreed. Be aware you will then become disappointed that your prints do
    not look like what you see on the screen and you will be at risk of
    buying a printer calibration system as well.
    e.g. see http://spyder.datacolor.com/index_us.php

    Then you will want to buy a new printer ....
    >
    >Note: This is being typed on a dog-standard 22" Westinghouse TN LCD
    >monitor. My NEC 20WMGX2 (S-IPS) developed some blotchy areas and went
    >off to Rancho Dominguez for repair yesterday.
    >
    >While the color accuracy of this thing is fine, the shift in color
    >with viewing angle is far more obvious than in an office setting.
    >Until my NEC comes back, I'm going to try to hold off on most of my
    >digital editing and scanning.




    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 2, 2008
    #19
  20. Ken Stahl

    Bob Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:21:36 -0500, Michael Benveniste
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:38:53 -0400, "Ken Stahl" <>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >>Does anyone have suggestions for a quality computer monitor for photo
    > >>editing? My understanding is that CRT monitors are preferred over LC. A
    > >>possible problem though is that the red gun in a CRT monitor will degrade in
    > >>few years so that color editing will tend to produce redder photos in print.

    > >
    > >What's more of a problem right now is _finding_ a good mid-range CRT.
    > >There are a few very-high-end specialty products, and a few low-end
    > >products still in the channels, but with current LCD prices I suspect
    > >the low-end will vanish in a year or so. Technicians capable of
    > >"tuning" a CRT are also becoming increasingly rare.
    > >
    > >I recommend looking for an LCD monitor with an S-IPS panel. Unless
    > >you are willing to pay a premium for the Apple name, this may involve
    > >a bit of a hunt. There's a (possibly outdated) list shown
    > >here:
    > >http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php
    > >
    > >The next best alternative is an S-PVA panel. These are a little less
    > >expensive, but are also hard to find. The Lenovo L220x is a good
    > >example of that technology.

    >
    > I have recently bought a Dell 24" 2408WFP Ultrasharp monitor and
    > cannot speak too highly of it, even when ignoring the low price. It
    > has a 1920 x 1200 matte screen rather than the glossy screen of the
    > Apple and I generally prefer it. It comes with the brightness set at
    > only 50% which is almost too bright to bear with a blank screen. It
    > should be able to maintain brightness for many years to come. It's
    > colours are almost exactly right, even without calibration. I love it.


    I got a HANNSG 28 inch monitor, and it is very bright, and good color.
    It profiles nicely.

    >
    > If I were to replace it with something better I would not buy an Apple
    > but an Eizo at three or four times the price. For my own amatuer work,
    > I don't think the benefit is worth the cost.
    > >
    > >You should also budget for a color calibration device and software.

    >
    > Agreed. Be aware you will then become disappointed that your prints do
    > not look like what you see on the screen and you will be at risk of
    > buying a printer calibration system as well.
    > e.g. see http://spyder.datacolor.com/index_us.php
    >
    > Then you will want to buy a new printer ....
    > >
    > >Note: This is being typed on a dog-standard 22" Westinghouse TN LCD
    > >monitor. My NEC 20WMGX2 (S-IPS) developed some blotchy areas and went
    > >off to Rancho Dominguez for repair yesterday.
    > >
    > >While the color accuracy of this thing is fine, the shift in color
    > >with viewing angle is far more obvious than in an office setting.
    > >Until my NEC comes back, I'm going to try to hold off on most of my
    > >digital editing and scanning.

    >
    >
    >
    > Eric Stevens
    >
     
    Bob, Nov 2, 2008
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