Elements 3.0, I can't believe they offered a demo

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by clutch@lycos.com, Mar 8, 2005.

  1. Guest

    I was all hot to buy Adobe Elements 3.0 since the healing brush seemed
    like a neat feature and I really needed a good photo organizing
    program and it seemed like their offering would fill the bill.

    Well, OfficeMax didn't have it, said they do not carry adobe products,
    Sam's club had microsoft stuff but no adobe, Staples didn't carry it
    and BestBuy (I hate the place) only had it with some dvd software
    bundled for 149.99 or what is known as full list.

    Well, my employer has nice pipes so I downloaded the 122+MB demo from
    adobe to my sony v3, yes, the camera can be a file sharing device, and
    hurried home from work to test it.

    On a 1.2Ghz 512MB athelon, it took 90 seconds to load to the startup
    screen. Organizing my pictures was very slow. I just recently tried
    picasa2 which doesn't allow putting your culls into a little pile that
    you can get to when you want to, which is one of the features, I
    wanted from Adobe.

    The good news, is that I took part of the money I saved and bought the
    1.7x tele adaptor for my Sony V-3.

    Just my little mini rant,

    Wes


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  2. Eric Miller Guest

    1.2 Ghz Athlon with only 512mb of RAM? Maybe you should have tried it on a
    400 mhz Pentium III first!

    Photoshop CS loads in about 10 seconds on my 2.8Ghz P4 with 1gb RAM for
    reference. Maybe its time for an upgrade.

    Eric Miller


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    news:...
    > I was all hot to buy Adobe Elements 3.0 since the healing brush seemed
    > like a neat feature and I really needed a good photo organizing
    > program and it seemed like their offering would fill the bill.
    >
    > Well, OfficeMax didn't have it, said they do not carry adobe products,
    > Sam's club had microsoft stuff but no adobe, Staples didn't carry it
    > and BestBuy (I hate the place) only had it with some dvd software
    > bundled for 149.99 or what is known as full list.
    >
    > Well, my employer has nice pipes so I downloaded the 122+MB demo from
    > adobe to my sony v3, yes, the camera can be a file sharing device, and
    > hurried home from work to test it.
    >
    > On a 1.2Ghz 512MB athelon, it took 90 seconds to load to the startup
    > screen. Organizing my pictures was very slow. I just recently tried
    > picasa2 which doesn't allow putting your culls into a little pile that
    > you can get to when you want to, which is one of the features, I
    > wanted from Adobe.
    >
    > The good news, is that I took part of the money I saved and bought the
    > 1.7x tele adaptor for my Sony V-3.
    >
    > Just my little mini rant,
    >
    > Wes
    >
    >
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    Eric Miller, Mar 8, 2005
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  3. Guest

    "Eric Miller" <> wrote:

    >1.2 Ghz Athlon with only 512mb of RAM? Maybe you should have tried it on a
    >400 mhz Pentium III first!
    >
    >Photoshop CS loads in about 10 seconds on my 2.8Ghz P4 with 1gb RAM for
    >reference. Maybe its time for an upgrade.
    >
    >Eric Miller


    I don't think so. Everything else that I run loads in a reasonable
    amount of time.

    I left out W2K SP4 from description.

    Wes

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  4. Guest

    "Beano" <> wrote:

    >I'm sure there's a point in here somewhere.


    You had to include my entire post to say that?



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  5. Ron Hunter Guest

    wrote:
    > I was all hot to buy Adobe Elements 3.0 since the healing brush seemed
    > like a neat feature and I really needed a good photo organizing
    > program and it seemed like their offering would fill the bill.
    >
    > Well, OfficeMax didn't have it, said they do not carry adobe products,
    > Sam's club had microsoft stuff but no adobe, Staples didn't carry it
    > and BestBuy (I hate the place) only had it with some dvd software
    > bundled for 149.99 or what is known as full list.
    >
    > Well, my employer has nice pipes so I downloaded the 122+MB demo from
    > adobe to my sony v3, yes, the camera can be a file sharing device, and
    > hurried home from work to test it.
    >
    > On a 1.2Ghz 512MB athelon, it took 90 seconds to load to the startup
    > screen. Organizing my pictures was very slow. I just recently tried
    > picasa2 which doesn't allow putting your culls into a little pile that
    > you can get to when you want to, which is one of the features, I
    > wanted from Adobe.
    >
    > The good news, is that I took part of the money I saved and bought the
    > 1.7x tele adaptor for my Sony V-3.
    >
    > Just my little mini rant,
    >
    > Wes
    >
    >

    Just wondering what, besides your slow computer, turned you off.
    Granted, the Organizer is a bit buggy, but the editor is unmatched at
    this price level. With Amazon rebates, it cost me only $49.95. The
    trial version (NOT DEMO), is a bit slow, which is a pretty DUMB way to
    disable a trial program, in my opinion. Perhaps you can get someone to
    let you try the installed commercial version on a machine similar to
    yours. I find it quite acceptable on my 1.3ghz laptop. It is a bit
    slow to load the editor portion from the Organizer, but one open,
    doesn't have to reload.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 8, 2005
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  6. Ron Hunter Guest

    wrote:
    > "Eric Miller" <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>1.2 Ghz Athlon with only 512mb of RAM? Maybe you should have tried it on a
    >>400 mhz Pentium III first!
    >>
    >>Photoshop CS loads in about 10 seconds on my 2.8Ghz P4 with 1gb RAM for
    >>reference. Maybe its time for an upgrade.
    >>
    >>Eric Miller

    >
    >
    > I don't think so. Everything else that I run loads in a reasonable
    > amount of time.
    >
    > I left out W2K SP4 from description.
    >
    > Wes
    >


    Load speed isn't a major advantage of PSE3, but once you get it loaded,
    it does a good job.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 8, 2005
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  7. Roger Guest

    On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:17:55 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
    <> wrote:

    > E3 is not a fast loader, but a good machine (generally means both speed
    >and RAM size (512 is small for serious graphic work) will load it a lot
    >faster than that. ... I just tried mine and it loaded in 13 seconds.


    Joseph,

    I'm going to have to either upgrade or replace (same difference?) my
    main computer that controls my scanner. Would you mind telling me what
    your machine configuration is? It would help me decide on a direction
    for my next step.

    Thanks,
    Roger
     
    Roger, Mar 8, 2005
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  8. paul Guest

    Ron Hunter wrote:
    >
    > Load speed isn't a major advantage of PSE3, but once you get it loaded,
    > it does a good job.



    Full PS is also very slow loading.
     
    paul, Mar 8, 2005
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  9. Ron Hunter Guest

    Joseph Meehan wrote:
    > wrote:
    >
    >>"Eric Miller" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>1.2 Ghz Athlon with only 512mb of RAM? Maybe you should have tried
    >>>it on a 400 mhz Pentium III first!
    >>>
    >>>Photoshop CS loads in about 10 seconds on my 2.8Ghz P4 with 1gb RAM
    >>>for reference. Maybe its time for an upgrade.
    >>>
    >>>Eric Miller

    >>
    >>I don't think so. Everything else that I run loads in a reasonable
    >>amount of time.
    >>
    >>I left out W2K SP4 from description.
    >>
    >>Wes

    >
    >
    > E3 is not a fast loader, but a good machine (generally means both speed
    > and RAM size (512 is small for serious graphic work) will load it a lot
    > faster than that. ... I just tried mine and it loaded in 13 seconds.
    >

    It takes 22 seconds to load to Organizer on my AThlon XP 2200+ (1.8
    Ghz). Loading the editor after that takes another 30 seconds (rarely
    necessary). I can wait that long.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 8, 2005
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  10. Ron Hunter Guest

    Roger wrote:
    > On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:17:55 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> E3 is not a fast loader, but a good machine (generally means both speed
    >>and RAM size (512 is small for serious graphic work) will load it a lot
    >>faster than that. ... I just tried mine and it loaded in 13 seconds.

    >
    >
    > Joseph,
    >
    > I'm going to have to either upgrade or replace (same difference?) my
    > main computer that controls my scanner. Would you mind telling me what
    > your machine configuration is? It would help me decide on a direction
    > for my next step.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Roger


    Are we talking PC or Mac? The more RAM, and faster processor, the
    better. WinXP for the PC and OS X (latest version at the time) for the
    Mac. A large HD is also a plus if you intend to work with a lot of
    pictures.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 8, 2005
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  11. M. Souris Guest

    Try Picass2 again. You can flag (use the star) any pix u want, then
    select the starred photos and do anything you want with them.



    On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:52:57 -0500, wrote:

    >I was all hot to buy Adobe Elements 3.0 since the healing brush seemed
    >like a neat feature and I really needed a good photo organizing
    >program and it seemed like their offering would fill the bill.
    >
    >Well, OfficeMax didn't have it, said they do not carry adobe products,
    >Sam's club had microsoft stuff but no adobe, Staples didn't carry it
    >and BestBuy (I hate the place) only had it with some dvd software
    >bundled for 149.99 or what is known as full list.
    >
    >Well, my employer has nice pipes so I downloaded the 122+MB demo from
    >adobe to my sony v3, yes, the camera can be a file sharing device, and
    >hurried home from work to test it.
    >
    >On a 1.2Ghz 512MB athelon, it took 90 seconds to load to the startup
    >screen. Organizing my pictures was very slow. I just recently tried
    >picasa2 which doesn't allow putting your culls into a little pile that
    >you can get to when you want to, which is one of the features, I
    >wanted from Adobe.
    >
    >The good news, is that I took part of the money I saved and bought the
    >1.7x tele adaptor for my Sony V-3.
    >
    >Just my little mini rant,
    >
    >Wes
     
    M. Souris, Mar 9, 2005
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  12. Guest

    Ron Hunter <> wrote:

    >Just wondering what, besides your slow computer, turned you off.
    >Granted, the Organizer is a bit buggy, but the editor is unmatched at
    >this price level. With Amazon rebates, it cost me only $49.95. The
    >trial version (NOT DEMO), is a bit slow, which is a pretty DUMB way to
    >disable a trial program, in my opinion. Perhaps you can get someone to
    >let you try the installed commercial version on a machine similar to
    >yours. I find it quite acceptable on my 1.3ghz laptop. It is a bit
    >slow to load the editor portion from the Organizer, but one open,
    >doesn't have to reload.


    Oh, two hangs trying to install directx on a box that is at current
    directx rev level. "failure to initialize application errors" that
    don't seem to stop me from trying this program out.

    It did install w/o directx issues on another box but it also gives
    "failure to initialize application" errors on startup also. That box
    is also W2k but is a bit slower with framebuffer video, and only 384M
    ram.

    I'm just a bit disapointed, I am not out to trash Adobe, they make
    some great stuff. Their trial doesn't seem to be.

    Generally, you try to put your best foot forward when trying to sell
    to a customer. A car salesman isn't going to have you demo the lot
    lemon. Oh well, I am playing with this because I am getting the hang
    of the Orginizer and I am warming up to it.

    I have elements 2.0 and it seemed like it was an okay program, one
    more tool in the toolbox. I figured a really good organizer + a more
    capable editor would be win-win.

    FWIW, my slow box is rather speedy, it is a 1.2 gig machine next to a
    800mhz machine on a kvm switch. The slower box does ripping, burning
    and any other thing that doesn't tolerate contention for processor
    cycles. A multi processor box of a different type.

    I'm going to try to apply the 3.01 update to the trial and see what
    happens.

    Well, so much for that. The update that came out after the trial will
    not update the trial.

    Wes

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  13. Guest

    Ron Hunter <> wrote:

    >Just wondering what, besides your slow computer, turned you off.
    >Granted, the Organizer is a bit buggy, but the editor is unmatched at
    >this price level. With Amazon rebates, it cost me only $49.95. The
    >trial version (NOT DEMO), is a bit slow, which is a pretty DUMB way to
    >disable a trial program, in my opinion. Perhaps you can get someone to
    >let you try the installed commercial version on a machine similar to
    >yours. I find it quite acceptable on my 1.3ghz laptop. It is a bit
    >slow to load the editor portion from the Organizer, but one open,
    >doesn't have to reload.


    Darn, after I posted, I re-read your message. You are saying they
    made the trial slow on purpose? What is load time on your 1.3Ghz
    laptop? That is load to orginizer. What is your ram and OS?

    Thanks, Seems like I have a bit of tunnel vision the last two days.

    Wes



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  14. Ron Hunter Guest

    wrote:
    > Ron Hunter <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Just wondering what, besides your slow computer, turned you off.
    >>Granted, the Organizer is a bit buggy, but the editor is unmatched at
    >>this price level. With Amazon rebates, it cost me only $49.95. The
    >>trial version (NOT DEMO), is a bit slow, which is a pretty DUMB way to
    >>disable a trial program, in my opinion. Perhaps you can get someone to
    >>let you try the installed commercial version on a machine similar to
    >>yours. I find it quite acceptable on my 1.3ghz laptop. It is a bit
    >>slow to load the editor portion from the Organizer, but one open,
    >>doesn't have to reload.

    >
    >
    > Oh, two hangs trying to install directx on a box that is at current
    > directx rev level. "failure to initialize application errors" that
    > don't seem to stop me from trying this program out.
    >
    > It did install w/o directx issues on another box but it also gives
    > "failure to initialize application" errors on startup also. That box
    > is also W2k but is a bit slower with framebuffer video, and only 384M
    > ram.
    >
    > I'm just a bit disapointed, I am not out to trash Adobe, they make
    > some great stuff. Their trial doesn't seem to be.
    >
    > Generally, you try to put your best foot forward when trying to sell
    > to a customer. A car salesman isn't going to have you demo the lot
    > lemon. Oh well, I am playing with this because I am getting the hang
    > of the Orginizer and I am warming up to it.
    >
    > I have elements 2.0 and it seemed like it was an okay program, one
    > more tool in the toolbox. I figured a really good organizer + a more
    > capable editor would be win-win.
    >
    > FWIW, my slow box is rather speedy, it is a 1.2 gig machine next to a
    > 800mhz machine on a kvm switch. The slower box does ripping, burning
    > and any other thing that doesn't tolerate contention for processor
    > cycles. A multi processor box of a different type.
    >
    > I'm going to try to apply the 3.01 update to the trial and see what
    > happens.
    >
    > Well, so much for that. The update that came out after the trial will
    > not update the trial.
    >
    > Wes
    >

    Waste of time. The 3.01 update ONLY applies a patch of the date format
    to allow those in Europe to see dates in their accustomed format.

    As for 1.2 gHz, my laptop is faster than that. Anything under 2.4 gHz
    is considered below average these days.

    I haven't loaded the trial as I have the paid for version. The
    organizer has some bugs, and some glaring faults, but the program has
    the best 'auto-fix' I have seen yet, easy red-eye elimination (which v2
    lacked), and a 'healing brush' that is beautiful. It will also separate
    multiple pictures scanned together (if you allow space between them).
    Noise elimination is also pretty good. Even though I have PSE 2, I
    consider PSE 3 well worth the investment. When one learns to bypass, or
    avoid, the bugs in the Organizer, it too can be used to good effect.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 9, 2005
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  15. Ron Hunter Guest

    wrote:
    > Ron Hunter <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Just wondering what, besides your slow computer, turned you off.
    >>Granted, the Organizer is a bit buggy, but the editor is unmatched at
    >>this price level. With Amazon rebates, it cost me only $49.95. The
    >>trial version (NOT DEMO), is a bit slow, which is a pretty DUMB way to
    >>disable a trial program, in my opinion. Perhaps you can get someone to
    >>let you try the installed commercial version on a machine similar to
    >>yours. I find it quite acceptable on my 1.3ghz laptop. It is a bit
    >>slow to load the editor portion from the Organizer, but one open,
    >>doesn't have to reload.

    >
    >
    > Darn, after I posted, I re-read your message. You are saying they
    > made the trial slow on purpose? What is load time on your 1.3Ghz
    > laptop? That is load to orginizer. What is your ram and OS?
    >
    > Thanks, Seems like I have a bit of tunnel vision the last two days.
    >
    > Wes
    >
    >
    >

    I don't have the trial version, but have been reading a lot about it
    from users in the Photoshop Elements forums.
    The PSE 3 paid version loads on my WinXP Home SP2 laptop in about 22
    seconds (to the Organizer). Loading the Editor from there takes an
    additional minute! The computer has 512M and a 7200rpm 60GB HD. I
    can't imagine that a company would make a trial version slower on
    purpose, but from what other users have said, it appears to BE
    slower..intentional or not.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 9, 2005
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  16. Ron Hunter wrote:
    > wrote:
    >> Ron Hunter <> wrote:
    >>

    > I don't have the trial version, but have been reading a lot about it
    > from users in the Photoshop Elements forums.
    > The PSE 3 paid version loads on my WinXP Home SP2 laptop in about 22
    > seconds (to the Organizer). Loading the Editor from there takes an
    > additional minute! The computer has 512M and a 7200rpm 60GB HD. I
    > can't imagine that a company would make a trial version slower on
    > purpose, but from what other users have said, it appears to BE
    > slower..intentional or not.


    My experience is pretty much the same for my Elements 3 (standard
    edition) running on my machine (1500 MHz, 256MB memory, 26GB partition
    with 8 used; I think the disc would be 5200rpm). If I right click a
    750 KB JPG and start timing after clicking Open with Elements 3.0, it
    is 20 seconds before the picture is displayed for editing. The
    original Elements (1.0, I suppose) takes 12 seconds.


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    James Silverton, Mar 9, 2005
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  17. Pete Fenelon Guest

    James Silverton <> wrote:
    > Ron Hunter wrote:
    >> wrote:
    >>> Ron Hunter <> wrote:
    >>>

    >> I don't have the trial version, but have been reading a lot about it
    >> from users in the Photoshop Elements forums.
    >> The PSE 3 paid version loads on my WinXP Home SP2 laptop in about 22
    >> seconds (to the Organizer). Loading the Editor from there takes an
    >> additional minute! The computer has 512M and a 7200rpm 60GB HD. I
    >> can't imagine that a company would make a trial version slower on
    >> purpose, but from what other users have said, it appears to BE
    >> slower..intentional or not.

    >
    > My experience is pretty much the same for my Elements 3 (standard
    > edition) running on my machine (1500 MHz, 256MB memory, 26GB partition
    > with 8 used; I think the disc would be 5200rpm). If I right click a
    > 750 KB JPG and start timing after clicking Open with Elements 3.0, it
    > is 20 seconds before the picture is displayed for editing. The
    > original Elements (1.0, I suppose) takes 12 seconds.


    Agreed. Elements 3.0 is a dog to start up -- to the point that it's not
    worth associating with JPG as the default application. Irfanview is fine
    for viewing and some very simple modifications; I *explicitly* invoke
    Elements for its editing and organising capabilities.

    It's a bigger and more complex application than Elements 1 and 2, but I
    believe the additional power makes it worth the effort.

    High on the wish-list for Elements 4 would be an ultra-light
    image-viewer that could invoke the full program.

    pete
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    Pete Fenelon, Mar 9, 2005
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  18. Guest

    Ron Hunter <> wrote:

    >I don't have the trial version, but have been reading a lot about it
    >from users in the Photoshop Elements forums.
    >The PSE 3 paid version loads on my WinXP Home SP2 laptop in about 22
    >seconds (to the Organizer). Loading the Editor from there takes an
    >additional minute! The computer has 512M and a 7200rpm 60GB HD. I
    >can't imagine that a company would make a trial version slower on
    >purpose, but from what other users have said, it appears to BE
    >slower..intentional or not.


    Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep playing with the trial a bit and
    likely, will pick up the paid version in a couple weeks before the
    trial times out.

    Wes



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  19. Ron Hunter Guest

    Markku V. wrote:
    > " ..... 512 is small for serious graphic work ......"
    >
    > About five years ago 128MB was really a huge amount of memory. I wonder
    > if there were no "serious graphic work" at all back in those days.
    >
    > Markku Virtanen
    >

    Really amusing for a guy who started working with computers on a machine
    with LESS than 1k of ram. We did military and civilian payroll for abut
    20,000 people, including printing checks, and personnel processing, and
    training records, as well as maintenance manhour accounting. I am sure
    anyone proposing a computer with 1k of ram these days would be found
    legally insane. Times change.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 10, 2005
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  20. Ron Hunter Guest

    wrote:
    > Ron Hunter <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I don't have the trial version, but have been reading a lot about it

    >
    >>from users in the Photoshop Elements forums.

    >
    >>The PSE 3 paid version loads on my WinXP Home SP2 laptop in about 22
    >>seconds (to the Organizer). Loading the Editor from there takes an
    >>additional minute! The computer has 512M and a 7200rpm 60GB HD. I
    >>can't imagine that a company would make a trial version slower on
    >>purpose, but from what other users have said, it appears to BE
    >>slower..intentional or not.

    >
    >
    > Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep playing with the trial a bit and
    > likely, will pick up the paid version in a couple weeks before the
    > trial times out.
    >
    > Wes
    >
    >
    >

    Even with some rather ugly warts on the Organizer, I think the program
    is worth the asking price.


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    Ron Hunter, Mar 10, 2005
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