HG 10 under water

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Bob Noble, May 15, 2009.

  1. Bob Noble

    Bob Noble Guest

    Well, it finally happened.
    I dumped my hg 10 in the water. I've been using it on my chest with a cord
    around my neck kayaking a river. It was in my pack this time, not in a water
    proof bag, because it's useless when in there for my purposes. Anyway, my
    pack went under water and me too for a minute or so before I could extract
    myself from the yak. As soon as I got the kayak upright, I opened the pack
    and took the camera out of it's pouch and started shacking/pouring water out
    of the camera. I pulled the battery right away, before starting this
    process. Since, where ever I am on the river, I'm already there, I went to
    shore and spread everything out on some grass and proceeded to LOL, more
    than once. This is the first time in six years on the river I've tipped
    over. I turned the cam in the sun and shock it several more times, but not
    too hard, because I remembered it has a hard drive. The lens had water drops
    all over the inside.
    Next day, I put it out in the sun to bake out. That night, I tried it and it
    worked for a bit, than gave me the task won't complete, which I got one time
    out in the a wet fog, showing condensing problems. Back out in the sun
    again today and now tonight it works and I don't seem to see any of the
    water spots on the lens.
    Still a bit of testing to do, but, so far, it looks very good.
    I have to give Canon a lot of credit for this. Amazing camera.
    I'm still getting material and having done any editing yet.

    --
    Bob Noble
    http://www.sonic.net/bnoble
     
    Bob Noble, May 15, 2009
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  2. Bob Noble

    ushere Guest

    Bob Noble wrote:
    > Well, it finally happened. I dumped my hg 10 in the water. I've been
    > using it on my chest with a cord around my neck kayaking a river. It
    > was in my pack this time, not in a water proof bag, because it's
    > useless when in there for my purposes. Anyway, my pack went under
    > water and me too for a minute or so before I could extract myself
    > from the yak. As soon as I got the kayak upright, I opened the pack
    > and took the camera out of it's pouch and started shacking/pouring
    > water out of the camera. I pulled the battery right away, before
    > starting this process. Since, where ever I am on the river, I'm
    > already there, I went to shore and spread everything out on some
    > grass and proceeded to LOL, more than once. This is the first time in
    > six years on the river I've tipped over. I turned the cam in the sun
    > and shock it several more times, but not too hard, because I
    > remembered it has a hard drive. The lens had water drops all over the
    > inside. Next day, I put it out in the sun to bake out. That night, I
    > tried it and it worked for a bit, than gave me the task won't
    > complete, which I got one time out in the a wet fog, showing
    > condensing problems. Back out in the sun again today and now tonight
    > it works and I don't seem to see any of the water spots on the lens.
    > Still a bit of testing to do, but, so far, it looks very good. I have
    > to give Canon a lot of credit for this. Amazing camera. I'm still
    > getting material and having done any editing yet.
    >


    personally i would have kept quiet about your experience. then again, i
    now know not to rent / lend you a camera.
     
    ushere, May 15, 2009
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  3. Bob Noble

    Bob Noble Guest

    "ushere" <> wrote in message
    news:FD8Pl.11133$...
    > Bob Noble wrote:
    >> Well, it finally happened. I dumped my hg 10 in the water. I've been
    >> using it on my chest with a cord around my neck kayaking a river. It
    >> was in my pack this time, not in a water proof bag, because it's
    >> useless when in there for my purposes. Anyway, my pack went under
    >> water and me too for a minute or so before I could extract myself
    >> from the yak. As soon as I got the kayak upright, I opened the pack and
    >> took the camera out of it's pouch and started shacking/pouring
    >> water out of the camera. I pulled the battery right away, before
    >> starting this process. Since, where ever I am on the river, I'm
    >> already there, I went to shore and spread everything out on some

    >



    > personally i would have kept quiet about your experience. then again, i
    > now know not to rent / lend you a camera.


    I used to work for HP. The equipment I used cost millions. I believe in
    using it.
    I never rent, so don't worry. :O)
     
    Bob Noble, May 15, 2009
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  4. Bob Noble

    ushere Guest

    Bob Noble wrote:
    >
    > "ushere" <> wrote in message
    > news:FD8Pl.11133$...
    >> Bob Noble wrote:
    >>> Well, it finally happened. I dumped my hg 10 in the water. I've been
    >>> using it on my chest with a cord around my neck kayaking a river. It
    >>> was in my pack this time, not in a water proof bag, because it's
    >>> useless when in there for my purposes. Anyway, my pack went under
    >>> water and me too for a minute or so before I could extract myself
    >>> from the yak. As soon as I got the kayak upright, I opened the pack and
    >>> took the camera out of it's pouch and started shacking/pouring
    >>> water out of the camera. I pulled the battery right away, before
    >>> starting this process. Since, where ever I am on the river, I'm
    >>> already there, I went to shore and spread everything out on some

    >
    >
    >> personally i would have kept quiet about your experience. then again, i
    >> now know not to rent / lend you a camera.

    >
    > I used to work for HP. The equipment I used cost millions. I believe in
    > using it.
    > I never rent, so don't worry. :O)
    >


    if it's hp, or apples equipment, i suggest you throw it back in and ask
    for a (newer) replacement ;-)
     
    ushere, May 15, 2009
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  5. Bob Noble

    J. Clarke Guest

    Bob Noble wrote:
    > Well, it finally happened.
    > I dumped my hg 10 in the water. I've been using it on my chest with a
    > cord around my neck kayaking a river. It was in my pack this time,
    > not in a water proof bag, because it's useless when in there for my
    > purposes. Anyway, my pack went under water and me too for a minute or
    > so before I could extract myself from the yak. As soon as I got the
    > kayak upright, I opened the pack and took the camera out of it's
    > pouch and started shacking/pouring water out of the camera. I pulled
    > the battery right away, before starting this process. Since, where
    > ever I am on the river, I'm already there, I went to shore and spread
    > everything out on some grass and proceeded to LOL, more than once.
    > This is the first time in six years on the river I've tipped over. I
    > turned the cam in the sun and shock it several more times, but not
    > too hard, because I remembered it has a hard drive. The lens had
    > water drops all over the inside.
    > Next day, I put it out in the sun to bake out. That night, I tried it
    > and it worked for a bit, than gave me the task won't complete, which
    > I got one time out in the a wet fog, showing condensing problems.
    > Back out in the sun again today and now tonight it works and I don't
    > seem to see any of the water spots on the lens.
    > Still a bit of testing to do, but, so far, it looks very good.
    > I have to give Canon a lot of credit for this. Amazing camera.
    > I'm still getting material and having done any editing yet.


    I'm curious--would a Ziploc bag be too inconvenient to use? Doesn't give
    the same protection as a proper waterproof bag I know but it gives a lot
    more than nothing.
     
    J. Clarke, May 15, 2009
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  6. Bob Noble

    David McCall Guest

    "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I'm curious--would a Ziploc bag be too inconvenient to use? Doesn't give
    > the same protection as a proper waterproof bag I know but it gives a lot
    > more than nothing.
    >

    It could have greatly reduced the amount of water that got into it in this
    case.
    On some cameras you can use a big zip-loc bag and cut a hole for the lens,
    then use rubberbands to keep it tight around the lens. This might be helpful
    in light rain, but underwater it would only help a little.

    Bob did exactly the right thing. He pulled the battery and baked it in ther
    sun.
    Water usually isn't that bad for electronics as long as there is no power.

    I once took a big old Tektronix scope to be cleaned abnd calibrated. They
    had
    a huge tub of ordinary water that they emerse equipment into. There might
    have
    been bubbles to agitate it, but that's about it. After they pulled it out
    they baked it
    for some perios and then calibrated it. I got a few more years out of it.

    We once had some audio equipment in a night club that had a fire. everything
    was under some very dirty water. Any plastic parts were partially melted
    too.
    We put it all out in the sun for a couple days, replaced the power cords and
    a
    lot of it still worked.

    David
     
    David McCall, May 15, 2009
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  7. Bob Noble

    Larry in AZ Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, "David McCall" <>
    said:

    > I once took a big old Tektronix scope to be cleaned abnd calibrated. They
    > had
    > a huge tub of ordinary water that they emerse equipment into. There might
    > have
    > been bubbles to agitate it, but that's about it. After they pulled it out
    > they baked it
    > for some perios and then calibrated it. I got a few more years out of it.


    I had a similar experinece at Tek, but they used a thing that looked a lot
    like one of those automatic car washes, but of course much smaller.
    Pressurized water, soap, and rinse and bake.

    --
    Larry Jandro
    Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals
    Scottsdale, Arizona, USA
    [Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to reply]
     
    Larry in AZ, May 15, 2009
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  8. Bob Noble

    Bob A Guest

    I had a Canon UCS 3 Hi8 that took a bath white water rafting. It never
    did anything after that. DOA. Just as well a Canon makes a crappy
    video camera anyway. My homeowners insurance paid off in full, so I
    could buy Sony.
     
    Bob A, May 15, 2009
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  9. Bob Noble

    David McCall Guest

    "Bob A" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I had a Canon UCS 3 Hi8 that took a bath white water rafting. It never
    > did anything after that. DOA. Just as well a Canon makes a crappy
    > video camera anyway. My homeowners insurance paid off in full, so I
    > could buy Sony.
    >

    But, did you immediately remove power and bake it before trying it?


    BTW, if you drop it in salt water, you might just as well leave it on the
    water.
    In fact your only hope is to keep it in a bucket until you get home, and
    then
    rinse it out several times with clear water, then bake it.
    Still your odds are pretty poor in salt water.

    David
     
    David McCall, May 15, 2009
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  10. Bob Noble

    Bob Noble Guest

    I worked for Hp before there were hp computers, but they were just starting
    hp computers and HP was the best company to work for, bar none.
    It's now crap, you are right. The real Hp is now called Agilent, which most
    people don't really know.
    Bob

    >>
    >> I used to work for HP. The equipment I used cost millions. I believe in
    >> using it.
    >> I never rent, so don't worry. :O)

    >
    > if it's hp, or apples equipment, i suggest you throw it back in and ask
    > for a (newer) replacement ;-)
     
    Bob Noble, May 15, 2009
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  11. Bob Noble

    Bob Noble Guest

    "David McCall" <> wrote in message
    news:c0ePl.1267$...
    >
    > "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>
    >> I'm curious--would a Ziploc bag be too inconvenient to use? Doesn't give
    >> the same protection as a proper waterproof bag I know but it gives a lot
    >> more than nothing.
    >>

    > It could have greatly reduced the amount of water that got into it in this
    > case.
    > On some cameras you can use a big zip-loc bag and cut a hole for the lens,
    > then use rubberbands to keep it tight around the lens. This might be
    > helpful
    > in light rain, but underwater it would only help a little.
    >
    > Bob did exactly the right thing. He pulled the battery and baked it in
    > ther sun.
    > Water usually isn't that bad for electronics as long as there is no power.
    >
    > I once took a big old Tektronix scope to be cleaned abnd calibrated. They
    > had
    > a huge tub of ordinary water that they emerse equipment into. There might
    > have
    > been bubbles to agitate it, but that's about it. After they pulled it out
    > they baked it
    > for some perios and then calibrated it. I got a few more years out of it.
    >
    > We once had some audio equipment in a night club that had a fire.
    > everything
    > was under some very dirty water. Any plastic parts were partially melted
    > too.
    > We put it all out in the sun for a couple days, replaced the power cords
    > and a
    > lot of it still worked.
    >
    > David


    Ok, you guys, getting pics is what it's all about, not protecting equipment,
    although, it would be nice.
    When I see something exciting that no one else has on film, if I just reach
    into my pack it will usually stop, that's why it's not in a zip lock and it
    usually really only works when the cam is on my chest and ready to go. I've
    lost more stuff just reaching in my pack and even worse, I don't even get it
    on my personal mind cam, because I interrupted it.
    Good comments,

    --
    Bob Noble
    http://www.sonic.net/bnoble
     
    Bob Noble, May 15, 2009
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  12. Bob Noble

    Bob A Guest

    > But, did you immediately remove power and bake it before trying it?
    >
    > BTW, if you drop it in salt water, you might just as well leave it on the
    > water.
    > In fact your only hope is to keep it in a bucket until you get home, and
    > then
    > rinse it out several times with clear water, then bake it.
    > Still your odds are pretty poor in salt water.
    >
    > David


    I was a little shaken up by the raft flipping then getting bashed into
    the rocks by the swift current. Didn't get to dry ground for a while.
    I did manage to hold onto the cam till I could climb up on a rock in
    the middle of the river. I had a 'AWE raincoat' on the cam and that
    got ripped off and the mount broken by the current. It was the second
    run down the river for the day and surprisingly I was able to save 99%
    of the tape. It was a private White Water Rafting club I had recently
    joined and was doing a promo video for them, so it was good that all
    of the first run and most of the second run was salvageable. BTW they
    promised they had never flipped a raft on the river before, so my
    video equipment would be 'safe'. Oops!
    I didn't care much for the cam so no great loss. I had taken another
    Canon DV Camera to Canon Factory Service in Woburn, MA and after
    their having the cam for 3 weeks I called to ask how the repair was
    coming (they promised 2 weeks) and they told me they could not work on
    it because they did not have a firewire cable!!!!! I will never even
    buy a piece of gum if it says "Canon" on it. Idiots.
    I did a little video on a sailing day with a consumer Sony D8 a couple
    years ago. I bought it off the clearance rack at Target for $150 so If
    took a swim, no big loss. It did get splashed by salt water a couple
    times but I still use it to backup the main cam tape while doing
    events. If you like you can see the little fun video here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrrWvaf-yM
     
    Bob A, May 16, 2009
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