imageready CS -almost perfect..

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Unregistered, Jan 7, 2004.

  1. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    just a note to see if anybody has a solution to this..

    For the last however many years I have been developing websites usin
    photoshop for design and fireworks for slicing and export. Firework
    had the ability to export nested tables, meaning: 1)it worked, exporte
    even complex tables without error, 2)easier to modify, one could jus
    extract a table from a page and put in a new file without the layou
    breaking.

    Anyway, with photoshop cs, and the ability of imageready cs to expor
    nested tables (finally) I thought it would mean an end to going bac
    and forth from photoshop to fireworks to preserve future editability
    Alas, adobe still havent managed to create what is in fact a simpl
    feature. Yes you can group slices together into a nested table, but 1
    you can only nest 1 level deep, 2)it creates "autoslices". Thes
    autoslices seemingly cannot be turned off. i.e. the exported region i
    the entire page.

    I often design sites that are in a centralised table. However, becaus
    of the above i cannot select only the slices i wish to export (i.e. th
    part i wish to centralise) without imageready inserting it
    "autoslices", meaning i cannot cleanly extract the area i wish t
    (since its not in a table of its own).

    So I guess my question is, is there any way to turn off autoslices, o
    just export selected slices to html?

    If not I am astonished, - surely other developers would want thi
    also?

    thx in advanc

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    Unregistered, Jan 7, 2004
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  2. I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
    Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
    (selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!

    John
     
    John in San Diego, Jan 7, 2004
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  3. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    so it would seem..
    I have been searching everywhere for info on this, and cant find
    thing..

    The only "solution" I have come up with is to modify the canvas size s
    the desired slices fill the entire page, however this isn't
    workaround i look forward to doing.. (fiddly and inflexible to say th
    least)

    I find the ommission of the ability to turn off autoslices ver
    puzzling. From a programming perspective its not difficult. I say thi
    because a year ago myself and a colleague actually wrote an imag
    slicer in C that exported slices in nested tables. (i figured th
    algorithm out from playing around with fireworks). It was incredibl
    messy and confusing (im not the worlds greatest programmer), but i
    worked.

    Furthermore from my experiments in figuring out the algorithm it seeme
    the only way to guarantee a table structure based on slices would wor
    was to use nested tables (colspans, rowspans and shims are easil
    breakable). Why Adobe havent yet implemented true nested table slicin
    aka fireworks is odd, since it would be presumably trivial to thei
    programmers..

    I'm kinda interested now in how other developers convert their imag
    layouts to html, I have to assume my chosen method isnt widespread (o
    adobe would have implemented true nested exports), though i wouldn
    want to be fiddling about deleting <td rowspan=10>'s and trying to mak
    the table work (when editing the export).

    I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on this subject..

    Ro

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    Unregistered, Jan 8, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
    <> wrote:

    >I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
    >Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
    >(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
    >
    >John
    >

    No, you're not. :) However, the difference with me is that I don't
    even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
    waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
    ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
    compression is better. And when you include things like selective
    compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
    really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
    web design field would even consider using IR.

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    Hecate

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    Hecate, Jan 8, 2004
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  5. Hecate wrote:
    > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
    >>Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
    >>(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
    >>
    >>John
    >>

    >
    > No, you're not. :) However, the difference with me is that I don't
    > even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
    > waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
    > ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
    > compression is better. And when you include things like selective
    > compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
    > really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
    > web design field would even consider using IR.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Hecate
    >
    > veni, vidi, reliqui

    do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??

    and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
    is that a waste of time as well?

    m c
     
    MArtin Chiselwitt, Jan 8, 2004
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    Warren Sarle Guest

    "Unregistered" <4designers.com> wrote in message
    news:4designers.com...
    > ...
    > So I guess my question is, is there any way to turn off autoslices, or
    > just export selected slices to html?


    Not certain this is what you want, but according to the manual for PS7:
    1) Select the slices you want to save.
    2) Slices>Save Slice Selection
    3) File>Save Optimized As, and set the slices option
    to the name of the saved slice selection.
     
    Warren Sarle, Jan 8, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:44:30 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
    <> wrote:

    >Hecate wrote:
    >> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:41 -0800, "John in San Diego"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I posed this same question two days ago on this forum, and I got no replies.
    >>>Apparently you and I are the only ones designing in Photoshop and exporting
    >>>(selected slices; not entire page) into Dreamweaver!
    >>>
    >>>John
    >>>

    >>
    >> No, you're not. :) However, the difference with me is that I don't
    >> even bother to install IR which, as far as I'm concerned is a total
    >> waste of disk space and should have been put out of it's misery long
    >> ago. Fireworks does *everything* better than Image Ready - even it's
    >> compression is better. And when you include things like selective
    >> compression allowing different levels across the same jpg, IR is
    >> really no competition whatsoever. Personally, no one I know in the
    >> web design field would even consider using IR.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Hecate
    >>
    >> veni, vidi, reliqui

    >do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??


    Yes, when you install. If you do a custom install you can deselect IR.
    Best use of a mouse click I know.

    >and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
    >is that a waste of time as well?
    >

    Totally. That's what, amongst other things, Fireworks is for.

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    Hecate, Jan 9, 2004
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  8. OK! YOu persuaded me!!
    >>
    >>do u mean that you have an option to choose NOT to install Image Ready??

    >
    >
    > Yes, when you install. If you do a custom install you can deselect IR.
    > Best use of a mouse click I know.
    >
    >
    >>and what about the fact that the new verison apparently exports to swf?
    >>is that a waste of time as well?
    >>

    >
    > Totally. That's what, amongst other things, Fireworks is for.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Hecate
    >
    > veni, vidi, reliqui
     
    MArtin Chiselwitt, Jan 9, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:18:53 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
    <> wrote:

    >OK! YOu persuaded me!!
    >>>

    LOL! ;-)

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    Hecate

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    Hecate, Jan 10, 2004
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  10. Hecate wrote:
    > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:18:53 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>OK! YOu persuaded me!!
    >>

    > LOL! ;-)
    >
    > --
    >
    > Hecate
    >
    > veni, vidi, reliqui

    in all seriousness, do you know if you can uninstall Image Ready without
    uninstalling Photoshop??

    i am just curious! :]

    m c
     
    MArtin Chiselwitt, Jan 10, 2004
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  11. "MArtin Chiselwitt" <>
    > in all seriousness, do you know if you can uninstall Image Ready without
    > uninstalling Photoshop??
    >
    > i am just curious! :]
    >
    > m c


    I don't have CS, but if past installations are any indication, I'd say no.
    However, you do have the option of installing Image Ready when you install
    Photoshop, so you'd probably have uninstall everything, then reinstall and
    just uncheck the image ready box.
     
    Fungusamungus, Jan 10, 2004
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    tacere Guest

    I dont know why you dont just export the slices that you want to use i
    you html and then use Dreamweaver to create the html that will us
    those slices. That is what I do. I have only been into web developmen
    for a year now this past month and when I first started out I would le
    Fireworks or Image Ready to do everything for me. This however is
    horrible mistake. Forgive me for making such a blunt statement as m
    first post in this forum but it' true. Take a little time to get th
    hang of html tables and some CSS. The rewards are endless. You wil
    find that you design differently in the end because you know what yo
    need in the html but the time is deffinately worth while. The fina
    result will be pages that load faster and not to mention you will b
    able to keep those pesky comment tags out of your html that tell other
    that you let some program write your html for you.

    Please feel free to rip me a new one if I deserve it. I can take it.
    am still learning this stuff.if you ask me I will send you links t
    stuff that I have done. I use Photoshop 7.0.... and Dreamweaver MX.
    almost never look at the Fireworks logo let alone open the program

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    tacere, Jan 11, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 02:24:40 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
    <> wrote:

    >Hecate wrote:
    >> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:18:53 +0000, MArtin Chiselwitt
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>OK! YOu persuaded me!!
    >>>

    >> LOL! ;-)
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Hecate
    >>
    >> veni, vidi, reliqui

    >in all seriousness, do you know if you can uninstall Image Ready without
    >uninstalling Photoshop??
    >
    >i am just curious! :]
    >
    >m c


    There is one way if you have WIn2k or XP that might work. Go to
    control panel/add remove programs. Find Adobe Photoshop. Hit the
    change rather than the uninstall panel. Make sure you have your CD in
    the original drive first. It will then take you through the
    installation routine as normal. When you get to it, select custom
    install and remove the check box from Image ready. proceed as you
    would for an installation and it *should* uninstall IR, but I wouldn't
    bet on it. The problem is Adobe's installation routines which don't
    follow normal Windows routines. They allow you to change and
    install/uninstall different bits of programs. Works fine with Office
    for example, and Windows itself. Adobe, as usual, have to do it
    differently and wrong :)

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    Hecate, Jan 11, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:33:44 -0600, tacere
    <4designers.com> wrote:

    >
    >I dont know why you dont just export the slices that you want to use in
    >you html and then use Dreamweaver to create the html that will use
    >those slices. That is what I do. I have only been into web development
    >for a year now this past month and when I first started out I would let
    >Fireworks or Image Ready to do everything for me. This however is a
    >horrible mistake. Forgive me for making such a blunt statement as my
    >first post in this forum but it' true. Take a little time to get the
    >hang of html tables and some CSS. The rewards are endless. You will
    >find that you design differently in the end because you know what you
    >need in the html but the time is deffinately worth while. The final
    >result will be pages that load faster and not to mention you will be
    >able to keep those pesky comment tags out of your html that tell others
    >that you let some program write your html for you.
    >
    >Please feel free to rip me a new one if I deserve it. I can take it. I
    >am still learning this stuff.if you ask me I will send you links to
    >stuff that I have done. I use Photoshop 7.0.... and Dreamweaver MX. I
    >almost never look at the Fireworks logo let alone open the program.
    >
    >

    Ok, well, if you want to swap longevity stories, I've been doing web
    design since Hot Metal Pro was the best program around...

    I'm afraid that your workflow doesn't make sense for images,
    particularly when you can round trip using the inbuilt facilities
    provided by FW and DW. If you are importing your images straight into
    DW you are missing out on the facilities that FW provides, including
    it's better handling of images than IR for web work and including, and
    especially, the selective compression that FW allows. Ever wanted to
    compress your image but not the overlying text, for example? You can
    do that in FW. You can do nothing of the kind in DW because it isn't
    an image handling programme.

    The ideal is to use the best tool for the job in hand. And that,s
    IMHO, DW for web design, FW for web images and Photoshop for all
    images including working in them in PS and then passing them to FW
    for the web facilities.

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    Hecate, Jan 11, 2004
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    tacere Guest

    I'm sorry but FW is a piece of crap. I cant stand to look at th
    interface or use it's tools. The whole programme just sucks in m
    oppion. And just to clarify I don't use IR either because that too i
    worthless almost. If I had the time and patience to do so I woul
    remove it from every computer that I work on but I don't. PS is by fa
    way mor powerful than anything else out there for 2d imaging. Also
    don't create pictures of text, unless it is some type of logo tha
    needs the text to be in a certain way. Otherwise if there is to be tex
    on a web page I use actual text in the web page.



    Pictures of text, what a waste of bandwidth

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