Manfrotto 190Pro + 141RC too heavy for travel?

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by hippy, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. hippy

    hippy Guest

    I think I've got the model numbers roughly correct..

    I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.

    Transport in Europe will be car for 2 weeks (so big
    tripod is no problem) but public transport for in Italy
    and Germany for 2 weeks with flights in between (heavy
    tripod problem).

    Has anyone carried a Manfrotto 190Pro + 141RC
    combo around for that length of time? Too heavy?

    I'm not about to spend $1k+ on a carbon fibre
    thing but I want to be able to actually walk around
    lots without just giving up and leaving the tripod in
    the hotel all the time and I don't want to buy one
    that is less-than-optimal for local use.

    I don't currently have any big tele lenses.

    hippy
     
    hippy, Jan 19, 2004
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  2. hippy

    [BnH] Guest

    What sort of lens setup you have?
    The problem sometimes lies in the gear you carry .. not the tripod :)

    But anyway buy a shoulder strap for your 190D ... it reduces the weight a
    lot if put on your shoulder.

    I never carry a tripod for that long, but during the NYE ... I carried it
    for almost 7 hours in sea of ppl :D

    =bob=

    "hippy" <> wrote in message
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    > I'm not about to spend $1k+ on a carbon fibre
    > thing but I want to be able to actually walk around
    > lots without just giving up and leaving the tripod in
    > the hotel all the time and I don't want to buy one
    > that is less-than-optimal for local use.




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  3. "hippy" <> wrote in message
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    > I think I've got the model numbers roughly correct..
    >
    > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    > also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    > that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.
    >
    > Transport in Europe will be car for 2 weeks (so big
    > tripod is no problem) but public transport for in Italy
    > and Germany for 2 weeks with flights in between (heavy
    > tripod problem).
    >
    > Has anyone carried a Manfrotto 190Pro + 141RC
    > combo around for that length of time? Too heavy?
    >
    > I'm not about to spend $1k+ on a carbon fibre
    > thing but I want to be able to actually walk around
    > lots without just giving up and leaving the tripod in
    > the hotel all the time and I don't want to buy one
    > that is less-than-optimal for local use.
    >
    > I don't currently have any big tele lenses.
    >
    > hippy
    >
    >


    I just did 5 weeks around the US, Canada, Caribbean, Hawaii using all
    various modes of transport and I would have to say that my 190/141 was used
    only a few times. It's not exactly the lightest tripod (far, far lighter
    than my other 058B though).... but it was still an awkward thing to lug
    around, so I didn't! It mostly stayed back in the room or in the boot.

    This is the first time that I have done any real travel that involved lots
    of luggage and stuff and basically "all" of my gear became a pain, so much
    so that I chucked everything out of my 2nd (small) camera bag that carried
    chargers and leads and stuff, and use that to carry my 10D, 17-40 and image
    tank only. This was often painful for me, as I would see a shot and think
    "Doh! I need the 70-200" ....but a "family holiday" and a "photo expedition"
    are two things that simply CANNOT be combined. :-(

    I have been back a couple of days now and my brother in-law has given me a
    Lowepro Mini-Trecker backpack to try, as he was witness to my pain while OS,
    and after playing with it today, I think it may have made a big difference.
    I am able to carry my 10D, 70-200, 17-40, 28-70, 90mm macro, 1.4x & 550EX
    with comfort, while the 190 hangs underneath. This would be the way I would
    do it next time if I was on expedition, but if it's a family holiday I think
    I will buy myself a G5 or some other P&S and leave the DSLR at home.

    So if the trip is for photography, get a backpack to carry all your gear,
    and the lightest/most stable tripod you can find and sling it underneath the
    backpack. (remember I think the 190/141 is still too big/heavy for travel)
    If the trip is a holiday with the family, forget it and go get a good P&S
    and keep it in your pocket.

    Enjoy your holiday.

    Russell
     
    AU Digital Photo Of The Day, Jan 20, 2004
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  4. hippy

    dingbat Guest

    hippy wrote:
    > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    > also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    > that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.


    I have a 190, the lightest of my three Manfrotto tripods.
    I think it is a good travelling tripod -- reasonable price,
    and just rigid enough for a camera like yours for lenses
    up to, maybe, 200mm on a nice day.

    I wouldn't choose the 141RC head for this job -- too
    lumpy and awkward to carry around. Look at ball heads
    instead.

    I would echo what Russell said about getting a backpack
    that is designed to carry the tripod. My choice is the
    LowePro Rover Light:
    http://www.lowepro.com/pages/series/street/rovlight.htm
     
    dingbat, Jan 20, 2004
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  5. hippy

    Craig Taylor Guest

    I took my 190/141 to thailand and singapore early last year and managed to
    fit it in my suitcase between the handle extension tubes. Worked a treat.

    When I did carry it, it did get heavy but frequent rest stops (to take more
    photos) helped

    "hippy" <> wrote in message
    news:mQZOb.19174$...
    > I think I've got the model numbers roughly correct..
    >
    > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    > also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    > that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.
    >
    > Transport in Europe will be car for 2 weeks (so big
    > tripod is no problem) but public transport for in Italy
    > and Germany for 2 weeks with flights in between (heavy
    > tripod problem).
    >
    > Has anyone carried a Manfrotto 190Pro + 141RC
    > combo around for that length of time? Too heavy?
    >
    > I'm not about to spend $1k+ on a carbon fibre
    > thing but I want to be able to actually walk around
    > lots without just giving up and leaving the tripod in
    > the hotel all the time and I don't want to buy one
    > that is less-than-optimal for local use.
    >
    > I don't currently have any big tele lenses.
    >
    > hippy
    >
    >
     
    Craig Taylor, Jan 20, 2004
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  6. hippy

    Jim Guest

    dingbat wrote:

    > hippy wrote:
    >
    >>I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    >>also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    >>that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.

    >
    >
    > I have a 190, the lightest of my three Manfrotto tripods.
    > I think it is a good travelling tripod -- reasonable price,
    > and just rigid enough for a camera like yours for lenses
    > up to, maybe, 200mm on a nice day.
    >
    > I wouldn't choose the 141RC head for this job -- too
    > lumpy and awkward to carry around. Look at ball heads
    > instead.
    >



    Agee with that a ball head would be better.


    > I would echo what Russell said about getting a backpack
    > that is designed to carry the tripod. My choice is the
    > LowePro Rover Light:
    > http://www.lowepro.com/pages/series/street/rovlight.htm
    >
    >


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    Jim, Jan 20, 2004
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  7. hippy

    Jim Guest

    AU Digital Photo Of The Day wrote:


    >
    >
    > I just did 5 weeks around the US, Canada, Caribbean, Hawaii using all
    > various modes of transport and I would have to say that my 190/141 was used
    > only a few times. It's not exactly the lightest tripod (far, far lighter
    > than my other 058B though).... but it was still an awkward thing to lug
    > around, so I didn't! It mostly stayed back in the room or in the boot.
    >


    Would agree with that!

    There are trees, rocks, walls etc which all make good supports. Bean
    bags and mini tripods which are all better than advertising camera gear
    by taking a tripod. I don't even like taking a camera bag but thats only
    used to pack the camera when on the aircraft or in the car. The less you
    carry the better, less conspicuous as a tourist.
     
    Jim, Jan 20, 2004
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  8. hippy

    MD Guest

    "Jim" <> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > AU Digital Photo Of The Day wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > I just did 5 weeks around the US, Canada, Caribbean, Hawaii using all
    > > various modes of transport and I would have to say that my 190/141 was

    used
    > > only a few times. It's not exactly the lightest tripod (far, far

    lighter
    > > than my other 058B though).... but it was still an awkward thing to lug
    > > around, so I didn't! It mostly stayed back in the room or in the boot.
    > >

    >
    > Would agree with that!
    >
    > There are trees, rocks, walls etc which all make good supports. Bean
    > bags and mini tripods which are all better than advertising camera gear
    > by taking a tripod. I don't even like taking a camera bag but thats only
    > used to pack the camera when on the aircraft or in the car. The less you
    > carry the better, less conspicuous as a tourist.



    I think it may be hard for hippy to be inconspicuous pointing the 10D with a
    17-40L out the front!!!
    Maybe the wristwatch camera is the go.
     
    MD, Jan 20, 2004
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  9. "hippy" <> writes:

    > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm also going on
    > holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one that will hold a 10D but
    > doesn't weigh a tonne.


    A 058 only weights a ton :) But, with the strap on it, and set up
    to fit it is quite easy to lug around. I used to cart it all over
    the place with little trouble.

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  10. hippy

    hippy Guest

    "Jim" <> wrote in message
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    > There are trees, rocks, walls etc which all make good supports.


    I did that in Japan and found that I was sometimes without suitable
    support for shots I wanted.

    > Bean bags and mini tripods which are all better than advertising

    camera gear

    Bean Bags!? Sorry, I've never seen a bean bag for a camera :)
    How big are they? Are they specifically made for cameras? Cost?

    What are good choices for mini tripods then? I assume you mean
    the <1ft high ones? Will these hold a 10D and a 28-135mm USM?

    > The less you carry the better, less conspicuous as a tourist.


    True, and most of these posts seem to indicate that a big tripod
    is not a good idea for travel. Looks like I'll save that purchase
    for when I get back and look for beanbags? or a mini-pod?

    hippy
     
    hippy, Jan 20, 2004
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  11. hippy

    Scott Coutts Guest

    hippy wrote:

    > "Jim" <> wrote in message
    > news:400d12b0$0$22628$...


    <snip>

    >
    > Bean Bags!? Sorry, I've never seen a bean bag for a camera :)
    > How big are they? Are they specifically made for cameras? Cost?
    >


    Yeah, lots of photographers that travel to Africa take bean bags.
    They're quite small. They're good for shooting from car windows, because
    you can 'mould' the bag around the lens and the car 'window sill' (hence
    the usefullness in the 'african safari' situation). But basically that's
    one of the big benefits - they're mouldable to whatever surface you put
    them on.

    >
    > What are good choices for mini tripods then? I assume you mean
    > the <1ft high ones? Will these hold a 10D and a 28-135mm USM?
    >


    I reckon monopods are good if you can get a discreet one and if you dont
    mind showing it quite clearly at the airport when you check in. You can
    get a full-height monopod that will collaps to about 1 foot long. They
    also work as good hiking sticks if you get a light carbon fibre one.

    >>The less you carry the better, less conspicuous as a tourist.

    >
    > True, and most of these posts seem to indicate that a big tripod
    > is not a good idea for travel. Looks like I'll save that purchase
    > for when I get back and look for beanbags? or a mini-pod?
    >


    I think it also depends where you're travelling and the amount of time
    that you'll be 'on the road'.

    Scott.
     
    Scott Coutts, Jan 20, 2004
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  12. hippy

    Jim Guest

    hippy wrote:

    > "Jim" <> wrote in message
    > news:400d12b0$0$22628$...
    >
    >>There are trees, rocks, walls etc which all make good supports.

    >
    >
    > I did that in Japan and found that I was sometimes without suitable
    > support for shots I wanted.
    >
    >
    >>Bean bags and mini tripods which are all better than advertising

    >
    > camera gear
    >
    > Bean Bags!? Sorry, I've never seen a bean bag for a camera :)
    > How big are they? Are they specifically made for cameras? Cost?
    >


    A bean bag was a small bag 200x200mm and filled, originally, with bean
    seeds to add weight and be flexible. Not what your thinking, that they
    are filled with polystyrene foam - but hey they maybe more comfortable
    to take and use than those A/C seats in cattle - imagine that in the
    aisle. :)



    > What are good choices for mini tripods then? I assume you mean
    > the <1ft high ones? Will these hold a 10D and a 28-135mm USM?
    >


    http://www.slik.com/lwse.html




    > True, and most of these posts seem to indicate that a big tripod
    > is not a good idea for travel. Looks like I'll save that purchase
    > for when I get back and look for beanbags? or a mini-pod?
    >
    > hippy
    >
    >
     
    Jim, Jan 20, 2004
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  13. hippy

    Jim Guest

    hippy wrote:


    > Bean Bags!? Sorry, I've never seen a bean bag for a camera :)
    > How big are they? Are they specifically made for cameras? Cost?
    >


    http://www.kinesisgear.com/r.html
     
    Jim, Jan 20, 2004
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  14. hippy

    Scott Howard Guest

    hippy <> wrote:
    > What are good choices for mini tripods then? I assume you mean
    > the <1ft high ones? Will these hold a 10D and a 28-135mm USM?


    I use (and love!) an Ultrapod-II.

    http://www.pedcopods.com/

    Handles the 10D + 28-135 on a flat surface without any trouble - don't
    think I've tried using the velco to tie it to something with the 10D on
    it though.

    The website lists the "design load" as 4lbs and the "max safe load" as
    6lb. A 10D is less than 2lb and the 28-135 is less than that, so it'll
    easily fit within the 4lbs.

    Scott.
     
    Scott Howard, Jan 21, 2004
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  15. hippy

    hippy Guest

    "hippy" <> wrote in message news:mQZOb.19174
    > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    > also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    > that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.


    After trying various models at the shop, I finally
    settled on a Manfrotto 714B with a 484RC2
    ball head, with a quick release for $229.
    This version was smaller and lighter than the
    190/141 combo, and stiffer and taller than
    the 714SHB with marginal weight penalty.
    Tried other brands and other designs, even
    more Manfrotto's and this combo was the best
    in my mind.

    Time O.S. will tell how correct my choice was.

    Thankyou very much for all your suggestions.
    Much appreciated guys!

    hippy
     
    hippy, Jan 24, 2004
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  16. "hippy" <> wrote in message
    news:buuuod$mch$...
    > "hippy" <> wrote in message

    news:mQZOb.19174
    > > I want a big, stable tripod for use locally but I'm
    > > also going on holiday for 4 weeks soon and need one
    > > that will hold a 10D but doesn't weigh a tonne.

    >
    > After trying various models at the shop, I finally
    > settled on a Manfrotto 714B with a 484RC2
    > ball head, with a quick release for $229.
    > This version was smaller and lighter than the
    > 190/141 combo, and stiffer and taller than
    > the 714SHB with marginal weight penalty.
    > Tried other brands and other designs, even
    > more Manfrotto's and this combo was the best
    > in my mind.
    >
    > Time O.S. will tell how correct my choice was.
    >
    > Thankyou very much for all your suggestions.
    > Much appreciated guys!
    >
    > hippy
    >
    >


    Sounds good. Enjoy your holiday and remember to leave the wife and kids at
    home. :)
     
    AU Digital Photo Of The Day, Jan 25, 2004
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  17. hippy

    hippy Guest

    "AU Digital Photo Of The Day" <> wrote in message
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    > Sounds good. Enjoy your holiday and remember to leave the wife and kids

    at
    > home. :)


    Too easy!
    No wife. No kids. :)

    hippy
     
    hippy, Jan 25, 2004
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  18. hippy

    VH-CBR Guest

    "AU Digital Photo Of The Day" <> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > Sounds good. Enjoy your holiday and remember to leave the wife and kids

    at
    > home. :)


    runs to the nearest phone .. rings Mrs AU DPotD....
     
    VH-CBR, Jan 25, 2004
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  19. "VH-CBR" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > "AU Digital Photo Of The Day" <> wrote in message
    > news:buv2m9$tca$...
    > >
    > >
    > > Sounds good. Enjoy your holiday and remember to leave the wife and kids

    > at
    > > home. :)

    >
    > runs to the nearest phone .. rings Mrs AU DPotD....
    >
    >


    LOL :)

    .....oops! Is that the phone?
     
    AU Digital Photo Of The Day, Jan 25, 2004
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  20. hippy

    VH-CBR Guest

    "AU Digital Photo Of The Day" <> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > LOL :)
    >
    > ....oops! Is that the phone?


    Not for you buddy!
     
    VH-CBR, Jan 25, 2004
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