Nikon v Canon Color

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by patrick.oden@aggiemail.usu.edu, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. Guest

    I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?
     
    , Sep 23, 2008
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  2. On 9/23/2008 3:44 PM spake thus:

    > I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    > are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    > looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    > don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    > is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?


    This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
    cameras that look like 35mm SLRs (DSLRs).

    Since this post concerns such cameras, the appropriate place for it is
    rec.photo.digital.slr. Please post there in the future.


    --
    Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

    - Paulo Freire
     
    David Nebenzahl, Sep 24, 2008
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  3. Scott W Guest

    On Sep 23, 12:44 pm, wrote:
    > I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    > are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    > looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    > don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    > is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?


    Before you jump ships you might want to spend some time with a raw
    converter and learn how to get the color you are looking for. You are
    likely to find your peers have more skills at converting raw files
    then better cameras.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 24, 2008
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  4. On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:44:57 -0700, patrick.oden wrote:

    > I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that are
    > shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    > looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    > don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    > is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?


    First, you might get more response by posting in rec.photo.digital.slr-
    systems, the appropriate group for your query.* But to answer your
    question...

    Before you abandon your Nikon and incur the great expense of switching to
    another system, set your color space to AdobeRGB, if you can, to gain a
    larger color range; adjust the in camera contrast and saturation to fit
    shooting conditions; ditto for white balance. In other words, don't
    leave everything set to "auto."

    For example, I use a Nikon D50 with the SB-600 flash to supplement
    ambient light for documenting architectural interiors and exteriors for
    real estate agents, contractors, etc. I greatly improved the quality of
    my images by changing the color space from sRGB, the default, to
    AdobeRGB, and lowering the contrast to -2, the lowest setting. With
    mixed lighting sources like one finds with interiors, I leave the white
    balance set to auto, but for daylight exteriors with clear blue skies I
    set it to "Flash," otherwise, the images are decidedly blue. For "night"
    lit interiors mostly by incandescent lights, I use the "incandescent" or
    "tungsten" settings, and put an 85B "gel" filter over the flash for color
    balanced fill.

    With my few adjustments, my Nikon D50 images compare favorably--color and
    contrast-wise--with a friend's Canon 5D, although his images have less
    noise. He was actually surprised that my D50 did so well under the same
    shooting conditions.

    So, before you switch, run some tests.

    Stef


    *FWIW: rec.photo.equipment.35mm was originally established 20+ years ago
    or so, long before digital photography came to prominence, for ANY still
    camera (not just SLRs) that used 35mm film, hence the name. Although,
    over the months this year, it has been slowly commandeered by digital
    users. Why the need to, I don't know. There are, after all, 3 or 4
    groups dedicated specifically to digital systems.
     
    Stefan Patric, Sep 24, 2008
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  5. Pete D Guest


    >
    > Stef
    >
    >
    > *FWIW: rec.photo.equipment.35mm was originally established 20+ years ago
    > or so, long before digital photography came to prominence, for ANY still
    > camera (not just SLRs) that used 35mm film, hence the name. Although,
    > over the months this year, it has been slowly commandeered by digital
    > users. Why the need to, I don't know. There are, after all, 3 or 4
    > groups dedicated specifically to digital systems.


    Isn't it obvious, David N has attacked so many people and they got their
    backs up, if he had simply never said anything many would have just never
    bothered and would have gone away. So before you blame everyone else have a
    few words with the broken record himself. It is not what he has said in this
    group so much, it is because he has multi-crossposted to just about every
    photo group he can every chance he gets, the cure is far worse than the
    disease.

    Cheers.

    Pete
     
    Pete D, Sep 25, 2008
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  6. wrote:
    > I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    > are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    > looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    > don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    > is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?



    You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.

    Why bother with the BS? Just ask a question if you wish, but do it without
    pretense.

    Auntie
     
    Auntie Establishment, Sep 25, 2008
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  7. Noons Guest

    Auntie Establishment wrote,on my timestamp of 25/09/2008 11:15 PM:
    > wrote:
    >> I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    >> are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    >> looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    >> don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    >> is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?

    >
    >
    > You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    > command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.
    >
    > Why bother with the BS? Just ask a question if you wish, but do it
    > without pretense.
    >
    > Auntie



    pssst:
    it's called a Canon "shill".
    Very common.
     
    Noons, Sep 25, 2008
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  8. Noons Guest

    Pete D wrote,on my timestamp of 25/09/2008 10:02 PM:

    >> *FWIW: rec.photo.equipment.35mm was originally established 20+ years ago
    >> or so, long before digital photography came to prominence, for ANY still
    >> camera (not just SLRs) that used 35mm film, hence the name. Although,
    >> over the months this year, it has been slowly commandeered by digital
    >> users. Why the need to, I don't know. There are, after all, 3 or 4
    >> groups dedicated specifically to digital systems.

    >
    > Isn't it obvious, David N has attacked so many people and they got their
    > backs up, if he had simply never said anything many would have just never
    > bothered and would have gone away.


    That is a load of bullshit. First of all, it's not just David.
    Second, the digital crap in here is promoted SOLELY by
    a group of crap "photographers" from pbase who do this all
    the time: find a low volume newsgroup and take it over
    with their totally off-topic rubbish.

    Mostly to shill for pbase, but also for their own little
    digital camera concerns.
    It's called a scam.
    But of course you'll never give it the proper name, preferring
    instead the rubbish about "David-the-bad-guy".

    > So before you blame everyone else have a
    > few words with the broken record himself.


    He heard him. That is why he replied.
    And demonstrating the point that you and
    your other pack of digital-heads have
    no place here.

    > It is not what he has said in this
    > group so much, it is because he has multi-crossposted to just about every
    > photo group he can every chance he gets, the cure is far worse than the
    > disease.


    He only "multi-crossposts" what is already
    "multi-crossposted", usually by your band of
    misfits.
     
    Noons, Sep 25, 2008
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  9. tony cooper Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:15:51 +1000, Auntie Establishment
    <> wrote:

    > wrote:
    >> I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    >> are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    >> looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    >> don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    >> is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?

    >
    >
    >You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    >command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.
    >

    I see one comma splice. Where is the "poor command of English"?

    Don't tell me it's the "that" instead of a "who", 'cause "that" ain't
    wrong.

    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, Sep 25, 2008
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  10. Annika1980 Guest

    On Sep 25, 9:38 am, Noons <> wrote:

    > First of all, it's not just David.
    > Second, the digital crap in here is promoted SOLELY by
    > a group of crap "photographers" from pbase who do this all
    > the time: find a low volume newsgroup and take it over
    > with their totally off-topic rubbish.
    >
    > Mostly to shill for pbase, but also for their own little
    > digital camera concerns.
    > It's called a scam.


    Noons, your brain is due for a firmware upgrade. Maybe you can send
    it to Canon?

    OK folks, you heard it. ALL of you people talking about digital are
    just PBase shills.
    Busted! Guess we'll have to go find nother group to infiltrate now.
     
    Annika1980, Sep 25, 2008
    #10
  11. On 9/25/2008 9:08 AM Annika1980 spake thus:

    > On Sep 25, 9:38 am, Noons <> wrote:
    >
    >> First of all, it's not just David.
    >> Second, the digital crap in here is promoted SOLELY by
    >> a group of crap "photographers" from pbase who do this all
    >> the time: find a low volume newsgroup and take it over
    >> with their totally off-topic rubbish.
    >>
    >> Mostly to shill for pbase, but also for their own little
    >> digital camera concerns.
    >> It's called a scam.

    >
    > Noons, your brain is due for a firmware upgrade. Maybe you can send
    > it to Canon?
    >
    > OK folks, you heard it. ALL of you people talking about digital are
    > just PBase shills.
    > Busted! Guess we'll have to go find nother group to infiltrate now.


    Yes. Like rec.photo.digital.slr, like I've been saying all along.

    Go for it!


    --
    Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

    - Paulo Freire
     
    David Nebenzahl, Sep 25, 2008
    #11
  12. On 9/25/2008 7:01 AM tony cooper spake thus:

    > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:15:51 +1000, Auntie Establishment
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    >>> are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    >>> looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    >>> don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    >>> is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?

    >>
    >>You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    >>command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.
    >>

    > I see one comma splice. Where is the "poor command of English"?
    >
    > Don't tell me it's the "that" instead of a "who", 'cause "that" ain't
    > wrong.


    Technically not wrong, but no decent journalist would use that word
    there. ("That" generally refers to objects, "who" or "whom" to persons.)


    --
    Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

    - Paulo Freire
     
    David Nebenzahl, Sep 25, 2008
    #12
  13. tony cooper Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:56:17 -0700, David Nebenzahl
    <> wrote:

    >On 9/25/2008 7:01 AM tony cooper spake thus:
    >
    >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:15:51 +1000, Auntie Establishment
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> wrote:
    > >>
    >>>> I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    >>>> are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    >>>> looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    >>>> don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    >>>> is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?
    >>>
    >>>You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    >>>command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.
    >>>

    >> I see one comma splice. Where is the "poor command of English"?
    >>
    >> Don't tell me it's the "that" instead of a "who", 'cause "that" ain't
    >> wrong.

    >
    >Technically not wrong, but no decent journalist would use that word
    >there. ("That" generally refers to objects, "who" or "whom" to persons.)


    What a bizarre conclusion. You have used "decent" to mean "qualified"
    or "professional", yet you criticize him for word choice. You equate
    a casual newsgroup posting with writing for publication. You admit
    the usage isn't wrong, but you don't admit that your hyperbolic
    statement about his poor command is English was wrong and that his
    question was inappropriate.






    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, Sep 25, 2008
    #13
  14. On 9/25/2008 1:19 PM tony cooper spake thus:

    > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:56:17 -0700, David Nebenzahl
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>On 9/25/2008 7:01 AM tony cooper spake thus:
    >>
    >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:15:51 +1000, Auntie Establishment
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> wrote:
    >> >>
    >>>>> I am a photojournalist shooting a Nikon D200. I notice my peers that
    >>>>> are shooting Canon seem to have less trouble getting good color. I am
    >>>>> looking to upgrade bodies, the D700 would be my first choice, but I
    >>>>> don't want another D200 experience. Has Nikon fixed the color issue or
    >>>>> is it just time to bite the bullet and switch to Canon?
    >>>>
    >>>>You're not a photo journalist. No photo journalist would have such poor
    >>>>command of English or ask such a pathetically naive question.
    >>>>
    >>> I see one comma splice. Where is the "poor command of English"?
    >>>
    >>> Don't tell me it's the "that" instead of a "who", 'cause "that" ain't
    >>> wrong.

    >>
    >>Technically not wrong, but no decent journalist would use that word
    >>there. ("That" generally refers to objects, "who" or "whom" to persons.)

    >
    > What a bizarre conclusion. You have used "decent" to mean "qualified"
    > or "professional", yet you criticize him for word choice. You equate
    > a casual newsgroup posting with writing for publication. You admit
    > the usage isn't wrong, but you don't admit that your hyperbolic
    > statement about his poor command is English was wrong and that his
    > question was inappropriate.


    I didn't say anything about his poor command of English. That was
    someone else.

    And the guy *did* claim he was a journalist, after all. (A profession
    that would seem to require a certain level of writing skill.)


    --
    Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

    - Paulo Freire
     
    David Nebenzahl, Sep 26, 2008
    #14
  15. David Nebenzahl wrote:
    > And the guy *did* claim he was a journalist, after all. (A profession
    > that would seem to require a certain level of writing skill.)


    David, I have to disagree with you on this one. He did say he was
    a journalist, he never claimed to be fluent in English. I got the
    impression reading his post he was not.

    Despite what "us" native english speakers think, English is spoken by
    relatively few people in the world.

    Geoff.

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    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Sep 26, 2008
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  16. PeteD Guest

    "David Nebenzahl" <> wrote in message
    news:48dbd795$0$26358$...
    > On 9/25/2008 9:08 AM Annika1980 spake thus:
    >
    >> On Sep 25, 9:38 am, Noons <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> First of all, it's not just David.
    >>> Second, the digital crap in here is promoted SOLELY by
    >>> a group of crap "photographers" from pbase who do this all
    >>> the time: find a low volume newsgroup and take it over
    >>> with their totally off-topic rubbish.
    >>>
    >>> Mostly to shill for pbase, but also for their own little
    >>> digital camera concerns.
    >>> It's called a scam.

    >>
    >> Noons, your brain is due for a firmware upgrade. Maybe you can send
    >> it to Canon?
    >>
    >> OK folks, you heard it. ALL of you people talking about digital are
    >> just PBase shills.
    >> Busted! Guess we'll have to go find nother group to infiltrate now.

    >
    > Yes. Like rec.photo.digital.slr, like I've been saying all along.
    >
    > Go for it!


    OMG you have finally won.

    Nah just kidding, you are still a loser.

    Oh and take the advice below, fight the fights you can win.



    > Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
    > powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.
    >
    > - Paulo Freire
     
    PeteD, Sep 26, 2008
    #16
  17. Noons Guest

    Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 26/09/2008 2:08 AM:

    >> Mostly to shill for pbase, but also for their own little
    >> digital camera concerns.
    >> It's called a scam.

    >
    > Noons, your brain is due for a firmware upgrade. Maybe you can send
    > it to Canon?


    Narh, the imagery is working fine: sending it
    to Canon would make it a lot worse.


    > OK folks, you heard it. ALL of you people talking about digital are
    > just PBase shills.


    How come your buddies ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION post
    their photos in pbase, then?


    > Busted! Guess we'll have to go find nother group to infiltrate now.


    Piss off then?
     
    Noons, Sep 29, 2008
    #17
  18. Annika1980 Guest

    On Sep 29, 9:19 am, Noons <> wrote:
    >
    > How come your buddies ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION post
    > their photos in pbase, then?


    That's simply not true. Alan Browne, for example, posts on photo.net.
    Rita uses flickr. Others, like Jim Kramer, Troy Piggins, Paul Furman,
    etc. have their own websites.

    So who are you talking about? Scott W? Ok, that's 1.
     
    Annika1980, Sep 29, 2008
    #18
  19. Noons Guest

    Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 30/09/2008 12:00 AM:
    > On Sep 29, 9:19 am, Noons <> wrote:
    >> How come your buddies ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION post
    >> their photos in pbase, then?

    >
    > That's simply not true. Alan Browne, for example, posts on photo.net.
    > Rita uses flickr. Others, like Jim Kramer, Troy Piggins, Paul Furman,
    > etc. have their own websites.
    >
    > So who are you talking about? Scott W? Ok, that's 1.


    Stop lying, Bret.
    It's pathological, with you.
    And you are convinced no one else
    knows what goes on just because
    you yell "it's not true"?
     
    Noons, Sep 29, 2008
    #19
  20. jimkramer Guest

    "Annika1980" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Sep 29, 9:19 am, Noons <> wrote:
    >
    > How come your buddies ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION post
    > their photos in pbase, then?


    That's simply not true. Alan Browne, for example, posts on photo.net.
    Rita uses flickr. Others, like Jim Kramer, Troy Piggins, Paul Furman,
    etc. have their own websites.

    So who are you talking about? Scott W? Ok, that's 1.


    Stop trying to be rational with the insane; it won't work...
    -Jim
     
    jimkramer, Sep 29, 2008
    #20
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