Older Nikon Camera

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by J.Lef, Dec 21, 2008.

  1. J.Lef

    J.Lef Guest

    Hello to all>
    Just curious. I have a few selected pieces of older Nikon equipment and was
    wondering if there is any value to it these days, since the advent of the
    digital age.
    They belonged to my dad, and I got them about twenty five years ago,
    and remember taking a few rolls of film with them and then nothing. I guess
    the camera and lenses were puchased new around 1970. I am not sure but I
    remember the camera being called an f box or something like that.
    They are an Nikon 35 mm camera, with aleather case and with some lenses.
    If I remember the built in light meter is not functioning.
    If there is a value, I will gladly pull them out from a box in the
    basement, and relate anything on them, such a model, serial numbers, and
    digital photos of them if allowed on this n.g.

    Much regards
    J.Lef, Dec 21, 2008
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    Advocate54 Guest

    "J.Lef" <> wrote in message
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    > Hello to all>
    > Just curious. I have a few selected pieces of older Nikon equipment and
    > was wondering if there is any value to it these days, since the advent of
    > the digital age.
    > They belonged to my dad, and I got them about twenty five years ago,
    > and remember taking a few rolls of film with them and then nothing. I
    > guess the camera and lenses were puchased new around 1970. I am not sure
    > but I remember the camera being called an f box or something like that.
    > They are an Nikon 35 mm camera, with aleather case and with some
    > lenses.
    > If I remember the built in light meter is not functioning.
    > If there is a value, I will gladly pull them out from a box in the
    > basement, and relate anything on them, such a model, serial numbers, and
    > digital photos of them if allowed on this n.g.
    >

    Film cameras generally don't have much value now days...especially one with
    a defective light meter (which is quite common). Check eBay for completed
    auctions.
    Advocate54, Dec 21, 2008
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  3. On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:51:23 GMT, "J.Lef" <> wrote:

    > If there is a value, I will gladly pull them out from a box in the
    >basement, and relate anything on them, such a model, serial numbers, and
    >digital photos of them if allowed on this n.g.


    There's an active market for older Nikon manual focus gear, but it
    depends on the model and condition. The same is true for lenses. In
    fact, the dollar prices of nice manual focus Nikkors have gone up over
    the last few months -- whether this is due to the release of the D700
    or general weakness in the dollar I can't say.

    I use my Nikon FA every 2-3 months. I also use a 75-150mm f/3.5 and a
    35mm f/2.8 PC with some regularity on my modern cameras.

    Now, the bad news. If the gear has been "hiding in a closet" for
    a couple of decades or more, it may have developed some condition
    problems. For example, the batteries may have corroded, or the
    lenses may have been ruined by fungus. Both of these are more likely
    in a humid climate.

    Good luck, and I hope your treasure trove is intact.

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    Michael Benveniste, Dec 21, 2008
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  4. J.Lef

    Paul Furman Guest

    J.Lef wrote:
    > Hello to all>
    > Just curious. I have a few selected pieces of older Nikon equipment and was
    > wondering if there is any value to it these days, since the advent of the
    > digital age.
    > They belonged to my dad, and I got them about twenty five years ago,
    > and remember taking a few rolls of film with them and then nothing. I guess
    > the camera and lenses were puchased new around 1970.


    Given the date (pre-1977-79), those are 'pre-Ai' or 'non-Ai' lenses and
    won't mount on (many) new cameras. I believe they will actually mount on
    the D40 & D60 but can damage other models without modification. They are
    still probably worth $30 each or something, maybe more. Here's a good
    reference with lots of photos of the lenses:
    http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/50mmnikkor/index1.htm
    -although it's tough to navigate, try searching like this:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=50mm non-ai site:mir.com.my

    > I am not sure but I
    > remember the camera being called an f box or something like that.
    > They are an Nikon 35 mm camera, with aleather case and with some lenses.
    > If I remember the built in light meter is not functioning.


    Some old cameras get problems with the foam bumper for the mirror
    turning to goo or crumbling. If it's in good clean condition not beat up
    it might be worth something.

    > If there is a value, I will gladly pull them out from a box in the
    > basement, and relate anything on them, such a model, serial numbers, and
    > digital photos of them if allowed on this n.g.


    I'm curious about the lenses. Serial number is not usually needed, all
    the other numbers & names are relevant. For those lenses it's usually
    three pieces of information:

    f=5cm
    focal length; newer ones will say say 50mm

    1:3.5
    f-stop/max-aperture, expressed today as f/3.5, smaller numbers are
    better like 1:2 or 1:1.4

    NIKKOR-S
    -S, -O, -H... refers to the number of glass elements, OCTA, HEXA, etc.

    Then it'll say [Nikon] or [Nippon Kogaku Japan], and probably Auto, and
    the serial number. Sometimes the colored number series on the side of
    aperture ring go up to 16 or 22 depending on the model and the smallest
    number such as 1.4 is the same as the 1:1.4 on the front.

    If any have holes in the rabbit ear prongs at the base, that's a newer &
    more useful Ai version.

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    Paul Furman, Dec 21, 2008
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  5. Bill Graham wrote:

    > Try KEH to check up on the value of your lenses......


    Just remember that KEH sells every lens as being optically perfect with
    no scratches on the glass, fungus, and the diaphragms and focusing are
    in good working order. They also include a 2 week return privledge
    and a 90 day warranty.

    Considering that it costs at least $100 to have someone CLA (clean, lube,
    adjust) a camera if you have to pay "retail" for the work, in many cases,
    the return privledge and warranty are worth more than the item.

    For example, if the original Nikon F was stored in an airtight container,
    and has no moisture, fungus, corrosion, or other damage, the felt light
    seals have probably disintegrated, the grease has hardened and so on.

    A good CLA would bring it back to life, but it is unlikely that anyone
    will pay you near KEH's price for it without the work.

    If it needs real parts and real work, it may simply be not worth fixing,
    except for sentimental reasons.

    BTW, for some strange reason, cameras and lenses sold with a time-honored
    "Caveat Emptor" warranty on eBay, sometimes go for 20% MORE than KEH sells
    them.

    I think people are either ignorant of KEH, or are put off by their realistic
    grading system, while things sold on eBay are often overstated.

    Geoff.
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    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Dec 22, 2008
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  6. J.Lef

    J.Lef Guest

    Thanks to everyone for all the information. The prices have
    really gone down to almost nothing. I always thought they would grow in
    value, but then the digital age came in. I found one box so far, and here
    is whats in it, and not sue what one thing is.

    A Nikon black camera that has in the front of body, on the
    silver portion, a large letter F outlined, with lower down in black a
    solid Nikon. ( I know its a 35mm)

    It is in a two piece case, thats brown leather marked Nikon,
    with a crushed red velvet interior. The camera stays in the lower portion
    protected, and the bulbous top piece snapps off. It has a strap. (It all
    appears to be leather)

    Still attached is a lens with cover, that says Lens made in
    Japan.
    It has lots of number markings on the outside, and the front part of the
    inside describes the lens as a " Zoom-NIKKOR Auto 1:3.5
    f=43mm(tilda)f=86 Nippon Kogaku
    Japan No. 456144

    There appears to be film in it also, as the counter is on 4.

    Also a small square brown package that says Nikon Focusing Screen Type F
    Made in Japan. And inside the cardboard box, is a square black frame with a
    square lens inside, protected by a form fitting thick spongelike protection.
    I have no idea what this is used for.

    Also another lens(or something) thats in a cylindrical type case, with a
    zipper half way down. It appears to be black, but I am not sure if its
    leather. The make on top of case says KIRON
    Inside is something I am not sure what it is, it looks like a double
    sided lens.
    It has two protective lens caps on either side. Everything is black metal.
    It says on it. KIRON MC7 2X TELECONVERTER FOR N/A1 JAPAN

    Also found a gift I received maybee ten or more years ago, but
    only once used.
    It looks like a 35mm point and shoot camera by LEICA.
    Its a rectangle, grey colored, a bit larger then todays
    digital camers. It has a Red Ball on fron with the Leica name in script in
    a gold color. It is raised, not painted.
    The camera is called the Leica mini, and says near the
    lens Leica Elmar
    1:3.5/35 manufactured in Japan, with a serial number.
    I remember using it for a roll or two, but I had a fuji
    which I was very satisfied with. Oh year, the Leica has a soft leather or
    leatherette carying case.

    Well thats box number one Sorry if I wrote too much. Any
    feedback apprecited.
    Much regards
    J.Lef, Dec 22, 2008
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  7. J.Lef

    Paul Furman Guest

    J.Lef wrote:
    > Thanks to everyone for all the information. The prices have
    > really gone down to almost nothing. I always thought they would grow in
    > value, but then the digital age came in. I found one box so far, and here
    > is whats in it, and not sue what one thing is.
    >
    > A Nikon black camera that has in the front of body, on the
    > silver portion, a large letter F outlined, with lower down in black a
    > solid Nikon. ( I know its a 35mm)


    That's called the Nikon F :)
    Has sold for $75 to $300 on ebay recently.


    > It is in a two piece case, thats brown leather marked Nikon,
    > with a crushed red velvet interior. The camera stays in the lower portion
    > protected, and the bulbous top piece snapps off. It has a strap. (It all
    > appears to be leather)
    >
    > Still attached is a lens with cover, that says Lens made in
    > Japan.
    > It has lots of number markings on the outside, and the front part of the
    > inside describes the lens as a " Zoom-NIKKOR Auto 1:3.5
    > f=43mm(tilda)f=86 Nippon Kogaku
    > Japan No. 456144


    http://www.photodo.com/product_1148_p3.html
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=43-86mm
    Has sold for $20 to $80 on ebay recently.


    > There appears to be film in it also, as the counter is on 4.
    >
    > Also a small square brown package that says Nikon Focusing Screen Type F
    > Made in Japan. And inside the cardboard box, is a square black frame with a
    > square lens inside, protected by a form fitting thick spongelike protection.
    > I have no idea what this is used for.
    >
    > Also another lens(or something) thats in a cylindrical type case, with a
    > zipper half way down. It appears to be black, but I am not sure if its
    > leather. The make on top of case says KIRON
    > Inside is something I am not sure what it is, it looks like a double
    > sided lens.
    > It has two protective lens caps on either side. Everything is black metal.
    > It says on it. KIRON MC7 2X TELECONVERTER FOR N/A1 JAPAN


    Third party brand focal length doubler, probably worth nothing, maybe
    fun to play with.


    > Also found a gift I received maybee ten or more years ago, but
    > only once used.
    > It looks like a 35mm point and shoot camera by LEICA.
    > Its a rectangle, grey colored, a bit larger then todays
    > digital camers. It has a Red Ball on fron with the Leica name in script in
    > a gold color. It is raised, not painted.
    > The camera is called the Leica mini, and says near the
    > lens Leica Elmar
    > 1:3.5/35 manufactured in Japan, with a serial number.
    > I remember using it for a roll or two, but I had a fuji
    > which I was very satisfied with. Oh year, the Leica has a soft leather or
    > leatherette carying case.


    http://photo.net/leica-rangefinders-forum/00DzfS

    > Well thats box number one Sorry if I wrote too much. Any
    > feedback apprecited.
    > Much regards


    Keep digging!


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    www.edgehill.net
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    Paul Furman, Dec 22, 2008
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  8. J.Lef

    Paul Furman Guest

    Paul Furman wrote:
    > J.Lef wrote:
    >
    >> ... I found one box so
    >> far, and here is whats in it, and not sue what one thing is.
    >>
    >> A Nikon black camera that has in the front of body,
    >> on the silver portion, a large letter F outlined, with lower down in
    >> black a solid Nikon. ( I know its a 35mm)

    >
    > That's called the Nikon F :)
    > Has sold for $75 to $300 on ebay recently.


    Listed on KEH for $199 to $899.


    >> It is in a two piece case, thats brown leather marked
    >> Nikon, with a crushed red velvet interior. The camera stays in the
    >> lower portion protected, and the bulbous top piece snapps off. It has
    >> a strap. (It all appears to be leather)
    >>
    >> Still attached is a lens with cover, that says Lens made
    >> in Japan.
    >> It has lots of number markings on the outside, and the front part of
    >> the inside describes the lens as a " Zoom-NIKKOR Auto 1:3.5
    >> f=43mm(tilda)f=86 Nippon Kogaku
    >> Japan No. 456144

    >
    > http://www.photodo.com/product_1148_p3.html
    > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=43-86mm
    > Has sold for $20 to $80 on ebay recently.


    Listed on KEH for $23 to $99.

    >
    >> Well thats box number one Sorry if I wrote too much.
    >> Any feedback apprecited.

    >
    > Keep digging!



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  9. J.Lef

    Ken Hart1 Guest

    "Bill Graham" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Bill Graham wrote:
    >>
    >>> Try KEH to check up on the value of your lenses......

    >>
    >> Just remember that KEH sells every lens as being optically perfect with
    >> no scratches on the glass, fungus, and the diaphragms and focusing are
    >> in good working order. They also include a 2 week return privledge
    >> and a 90 day warranty.
    >>
    >> Considering that it costs at least $100 to have someone CLA (clean, lube,
    >> adjust) a camera if you have to pay "retail" for the work, in many cases,
    >> the return privledge and warranty are worth more than the item.
    >>
    >> For example, if the original Nikon F was stored in an airtight container,
    >> and has no moisture, fungus, corrosion, or other damage, the felt light
    >> seals have probably disintegrated, the grease has hardened and so on.
    >>
    >> A good CLA would bring it back to life, but it is unlikely that anyone
    >> will pay you near KEH's price for it without the work.
    >>
    >> If it needs real parts and real work, it may simply be not worth fixing,
    >> except for sentimental reasons.
    >>
    >> BTW, for some strange reason, cameras and lenses sold with a time-honored
    >> "Caveat Emptor" warranty on eBay, sometimes go for 20% MORE than KEH
    >> sells
    >> them.
    >>
    >> I think people are either ignorant of KEH, or are put off by their
    >> realistic
    >> grading system, while things sold on eBay are often overstated.
    >>
    >> Geoff.

    >
    > Yes. Virtually all of my Nikkors have been purchased through KEH, and most
    > of them were their "bargain" grade. They have all given me great service,
    > and some of them looked (to me) as if they were brand new. For my money,
    > KEH is the best used camera store there is. Certainly it is the best on
    > line store I have found for used photographic equipment.


    I would echo Mr Mendelson and Mr Graham with regard to KEH. Their grading
    system IMHO, is rated low. I have bought a couple of "bargain" pieces, and
    was very pleased with the items.
    Ken Hart1, Dec 23, 2008
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  10. J.Lef

    Ken Hart1 Guest

    "J.Lef" <> wrote in message
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    > Thanks to everyone for all the information. The prices have
    > really gone down to almost nothing. I always thought they would grow in
    > value, but then the digital age came in. I found one box so far, and
    > here is whats in it, and not sue what one thing is.
    >
    > A Nikon black camera that has in the front of body, on the
    > silver portion, a large letter F outlined, with lower down in black a
    > solid Nikon. ( I know its a 35mm)
    >
    > It is in a two piece case, thats brown leather marked Nikon,
    > with a crushed red velvet interior. The camera stays in the lower portion
    > protected, and the bulbous top piece snapps off. It has a strap. (It all
    > appears to be leather)


    Generally referred to as an "ever-ready case"
    >
    > Still attached is a lens with cover, that says Lens made in
    > Japan.
    > It has lots of number markings on the outside, and the front part of the
    > inside describes the lens as a " Zoom-NIKKOR Auto 1:3.5
    > f=43mm(tilda)f=86 Nippon Kogaku
    > Japan No. 456144
    >
    > There appears to be film in it also, as the counter is on 4.


    Maybe, maybe not. The counter will advance with the winder lever whether
    there is film in it or not. Try turning the rewind crank clockwise(the knob
    at the other end of the camera from the film advance). If it stops turning,
    then there is film in the camera.
    >
    > Also a small square brown package that says Nikon Focusing Screen Type F
    > Made in Japan. And inside the cardboard box, is a square black frame with
    > a square lens inside, protected by a form fitting thick spongelike
    > protection.
    > I have no idea what this is used for.


    The focus screen is what you see when you look into the viewfinder. This
    model apparently has an interchangeble focus screen- you can switch out the
    one in the camera with the one in the box.
    >
    > Also another lens(or something) thats in a cylindrical type case, with a
    > zipper half way down. It appears to be black, but I am not sure if its
    > leather. The make on top of case says KIRON
    > Inside is something I am not sure what it is, it looks like a
    > double sided lens.
    > It has two protective lens caps on either side. Everything is black metal.
    > It says on it. KIRON MC7 2X TELECONVERTER FOR N/A1 JAPAN


    You can remove the lens from the camera, mount the teleconverter, than mount
    the lens onto the teleconverter. The focal length of the lens is now doubled
    (but the light is cut in half).
    >
    > Also found a gift I received maybee ten or more years ago,
    > but only once used.
    > It looks like a 35mm point and shoot camera by LEICA.
    > Its a rectangle, grey colored, a bit larger then todays
    > digital camers. It has a Red Ball on fron with the Leica name in script
    > in a gold color. It is raised, not painted.
    > The camera is called the Leica mini, and says near the
    > lens Leica Elmar
    > 1:3.5/35 manufactured in Japan, with a serial number.
    > I remember using it for a roll or two, but I had a fuji
    > which I was very satisfied with. Oh year, the Leica has a soft leather or
    > leatherette carying case.
    >


    I think they call that "re-gifting"!

    > Well thats box number one Sorry if I wrote too much. Any
    > feedback apprecited.
    > Much regards
    >
    Ken Hart1, Dec 23, 2008
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  11. J.Lef wrote:
    > A Nikon black camera that has in the front of body, on the
    > silver portion, a large letter F outlined, with lower down in black a
    > solid Nikon. ( I know its a 35mm)


    That is as everyone said, a Nikon F camera. The big question is what type
    of meter does it have?

    Here is a good description of F finders.

    http://www.cameraquest.com/nfinder.htm

    But the question is also how old is it.

    If the serial number starts with less than 64, it's the old style mirror box
    and should not have a meter on it at all.

    The serial numbers did not start with the year of manufacture, but they
    ended up being close enough that you can assume they are.

    All of them used obsolete mercury batteries and need to be adjusted to
    use alkelines, There are some replacments that don't need adjustment,
    but they are hard to find and expensive.

    If the camera looks untouched, or close to it, it may have value to
    a collector. If it has scratches, fungus, etc, it will not.


    Note that as far as film cameras go these days, Nikon F cameras of any
    type that work are still useable, and still wanted. The demand is not
    high, and the RETAIL price of making them work is more than what they are worth.

    Places like KEH make money because they buy them cheap and make no profit
    directly on the repairs. The cost of checking them out, cleaning and adjusting
    them is included in the difference in price between what they pay and what
    they sell them for.

    If for example, KEH sells them for $100, then expect to get between $50 and
    $25 from them depending upon the condition of the camera.

    I know that's not much, but they have to make a living, pay their repair
    people and still sell the cameras at a price people will pay.

    > It has lots of number markings on the outside, and the front part of the
    > inside describes the lens as a " Zoom-NIKKOR Auto 1:3.5
    > f=43mm(tilda)f=86 Nippon Kogaku
    > Japan No. 456144


    This was Nikon's first zoom lens and it is considered the only bad lens they
    ever made. It has lots of distortion and was a poor seller. For you that
    may be a good thing, the less sold, the more valuable they are.


    > It has two protective lens caps on either side. Everything is black metal.
    > It says on it. KIRON MC7 2X TELECONVERTER FOR N/A1 JAPAN


    Kiron was an independent lens manufacturer. They made the early 1980's
    Vivitar Series lenses which are excelent. Around 1985 or so, they went out
    on their own, which AFIK dates the teleconverter. By 1987 they had gone
    bankrupt and were gone.

    It's not a valuable item, but useful. It also shows me that the camera
    was in use in the mid 1980's.

    As to the value of the items, I think they don't have much cash value.
    If they look like they have never been out of their boxes (and the boxes
    are included), some collector in Japan might want them. If the look used,
    $50-$100 would about what they can be sold for.

    You might find someone who is looking exactly for those items and will pay
    more. Anyone who wants to use them will expect to have to pay for cleaning,
    etc and will pay less.

    If you don't want to keep them for sentimental reasons, you might find a
    better reception for them at a local art school. A student, lacking money,
    may want them and will gladly use them, even if the shutter speeds are off
    or the light seals leak.

    On the other hand, if you can find someone who will do a CLA (cleaning,
    lube, adjust), etc, for a reasonable amount of money, you can get a
    good useable camera out of it, even if as you said in the first post,
    the meter is broken (and can not be easily repaired).

    Geoff.

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    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Dec 23, 2008
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  12. J.Lef

    J.Lef Guest

    Once again, thanks to all, for responding to my query in such
    detail.
    I am getting near that "retirement age" and have started trying to
    reduce my clutter, accumulated over the years.
    There is sentimental value in the camera, but neither I nor any one
    in my family, has any interest in the camera as far as using it. My children
    are all very much attuned to digital photography.
    At those prices, I would not bother going to the time to sell them,
    and if I decide, will try and find maybee a local photographer who could use
    the equiptment, or a student who would like this type of equipment, and I
    have assurance he(or she) would not resell it . Or maybee barter for some
    family portraits with the camera as a rememberence.
    For a serious student in need, I would be willing to have the camera
    cleaned and put into condition. The camera appears to be just like it was
    decades ago. No dirt , dust, film, microbes, algaes, molds, etc.
    Anyone know of a good place to have this done in Manhattan, or
    N.Y.C. tristate area?

    Much regards
    J.Lef, Dec 23, 2008
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