Panasonic FZ-30 Details Released.

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  1. Rod Out Back

    Rod Out Back Guest

    Folks,

    I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au) website.
    8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD screen on
    the rear.

    A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.

    http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129



    Cheers,

    Rod.......Out Back
    Rod Out Back, Sep 16, 2005
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  2. Rod Out Back

    Pete D Guest

    "Rod Out Back" <> wrote in message
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    > Folks,
    >
    > I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au)
    > website. 8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD
    > screen on the rear.
    >
    > A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >
    > http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Rod.......Out Back


    The DP Review review showa it to be pretty noisy though, pretty
    disappointing at ISO 400.
    Pete D, Sep 16, 2005
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  3. On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, at 00:35:43 [GMT GMT] (10:35:43 Friday, 16 September
    2005 where I live) "Rod Out Back" wrote:

    > A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.


    But big bikkies!
    Flatulant Dingo, Sep 17, 2005
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  4. Rod Out Back

    Rod Out Back Guest

    "Flatulant Dingo" <> wrote in message
    news:8205347717$...
    > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, at 00:35:43 [GMT GMT] (10:35:43 Friday, 16 September
    > 2005 where I live) "Rod Out Back" wrote:
    >
    >> A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.

    >
    > But big bikkies!
    >


    $917 through CameraFarm??? Doesnt seem that exy to me...

    Cheers,

    Rod.......Out Back
    Rod Out Back, Sep 17, 2005
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  5. Rod Out Back

    Keith Holley Guest

    On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    <> wrote:

    >Folks,
    >
    >I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au) website.
    >8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD screen on
    >the rear.
    >
    >A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >
    >http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >
    >
    >
    >Cheers,
    >
    >Rod.......Out Back
    >
    >


    Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30

    http ://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    http ://www.dcresource.com

    both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 . One thing for sure both reviews
    say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down for
    the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used a
    CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.

    With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.


    Keith


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    Keith Holley, Sep 21, 2005
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  6. Keith Holley wrote:
    > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Folks,
    >>
    >>I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au) website.
    >>8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD screen on
    >>the rear.
    >>
    >>A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >>
    >>http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>
    >>Rod.......Out Back
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30
    >
    > http ://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    > http ://www.dcresource.com
    >
    > both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 . One thing for sure both reviews
    > say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down for
    > the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used a
    > CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.
    >
    > With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    > great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.
    >
    >
    > Keith
    >
    >

    It's all bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Sure the sensor is
    noisier than a 1.5 times more expensive DSLR but you have to own one to
    understand that is doesn't matter. The thing is, all SLR cameras have
    stuff slapping around at the point of exposure and actually *NEED* High
    ISO just to keep the shutter speed up so they'll take a sharp picture.
    The Panasonic's on the other hand are happy shooting sharp pictures at
    1/15th speeds. There is some evidence here:
    http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics

    I've found the Panasonic to be an excellent low light camera... Quite
    the opposite of DSLR Canon.

    --
    Douglas...
    Have gun will travel... Said his card.
    I didn't care, I shot him anyway.
    1/125th @ f5.6. R.I.P. Mamiya.
    Pix on Canvas, Sep 21, 2005
    #6
  7. Rod Out Back

    POTD.com.au Guest

    "Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    news:433138f6$...
    > Keith Holley wrote:
    >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Folks,
    >>>
    >>>I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au)
    >>>website. 8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD
    >>>screen on the rear.
    >>>
    >>>A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >>>
    >>>http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Cheers,
    >>>
    >>>Rod.......Out Back
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30 http
    >> ://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    >> http ://www.dcresource.com both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 .
    >> One thing for sure both reviews
    >> say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down for
    >> the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used a
    >> CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.
    >>
    >> With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    >> great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.
    >>
    >>
    >> Keith
    >>
    >>

    > It's all bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Sure the sensor is noisier
    > than a 1.5 times more expensive DSLR but you have to own one to understand
    > that is doesn't matter. The thing is, all SLR cameras have stuff slapping
    > around at the point of exposure and actually *NEED* High ISO just to keep
    > the shutter speed up so they'll take a sharp picture.


    Personally, I am quite happy with the 20x30inch 100ISO prints on my wall.
    Any softness is those from mirror slap has to be less noticable than high
    ISO noise, because I just can't see it.

    > The Panasonic's on the other hand are happy shooting sharp pictures at
    > 1/15th speeds. There is some evidence here:
    > http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics


    Are there links to full size images for those or did I miss them?
    POTD.com.au, Sep 21, 2005
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  8. POTD.com.au wrote:
    > "Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    > news:433138f6$...
    >
    >>Keith Holley wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    >>><> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Folks,
    >>>>
    >>>>I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au)
    >>>>website. 8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out LCD
    >>>>screen on the rear.
    >>>>
    >>>>A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >>>>
    >>>>http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Cheers,
    >>>>
    >>>>Rod.......Out Back
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30 http
    >>>://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    >>> http ://www.dcresource.com both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 .
    >>>One thing for sure both reviews
    >>>say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down for
    >>>the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used a
    >>>CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.
    >>>
    >>>With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    >>>great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Keith
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>It's all bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Sure the sensor is noisier
    >>than a 1.5 times more expensive DSLR but you have to own one to understand
    >>that is doesn't matter. The thing is, all SLR cameras have stuff slapping
    >>around at the point of exposure and actually *NEED* High ISO just to keep
    >>the shutter speed up so they'll take a sharp picture.

    >
    >
    > Personally, I am quite happy with the 20x30inch 100ISO prints on my wall.
    > Any softness is those from mirror slap has to be less noticable than high
    > ISO noise, because I just can't see it.
    >
    >
    >>The Panasonic's on the other hand are happy shooting sharp pictures at
    >>1/15th speeds. There is some evidence here:
    >>http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics

    >
    >
    > Are there links to full size images for those or did I miss them?
    >
    >
    >

    You didn't miss them Russell. I posted some full size crops or what I at
    the time thought were full size - they probably are. The issue of noise
    is quaint. Canon use their "Digic" on-board computer to clean up the
    signals from their sensors. The sensors themselves are probably no less
    noisy than any other.

    It's only their processed data which is noise free and they do a pretty
    fair job of it given the size and power of the computer they use. It's
    no equal to the power of dual processor PC and this is where I think
    Canon have taken a wrong turn. What precisely is wrong with noise
    removal post capture? Canon images have to be processed to yield their
    full potential, why not other makers but in different ways?

    The Panasonic data on the other hand, needs to be post processed to
    clear the noise, a relatively simple task using something like Neat
    Image. Given that the Panasonic images are probably close to what you'd
    get from your work flow, minus the noise element.

    My experience is that Canon High ISO images are at the limit of low in
    noise terms without losing edge definition and smudging detail. Further
    processing to reduce noise during development of the image degrades it.

    Canon sensors also produce (not predictably or regularly) abnormal
    artifacts in low light and fast moving situations. I have not found this
    to be the case with Panasonic, Nikon or Olympus images.

    You can remove most of the noise from a 400 ISO Panasonic image without
    damaging the edge definition or smudging the detail. This is where my
    argument that a FZ20/FZ30 doesn't need as high ISO to take a sharp,
    properly exposed picture, given that the mirror slap prevents hand held
    shots as slow as 1/30th second at any ISO with a 20D but are common
    place with stable cameras, not having mirrors and stops they hit, like
    the FZ's.

    You might recall a fellow posting here a couple of years ago under the
    name of "Admiral". Some of his 10D shots of motorbikes at speed he
    posted for comment showed what I called then - "double images" in an
    area otherwise free from blur. They are artifact produced by an error in
    calculation by the Digic computer.

    Since then I've seen the issue quite a few times and only with Canon
    images. I have a notion this is related to temperature but I haven't yet
    pinned it down and probably never will now I've gotten rid if my Canon
    cameras.

    --
    Douglas...
    Have gun will travel... Said his card.
    I didn't care, I shot him anyway.
    1/125th @ f5.6. R.I.P. Mamiya.
    Pix on Canvas, Sep 22, 2005
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  9. Rod Out Back

    unners Guest

    1/15th of a second won't do too much if the subject's moving though.
    it's basic physics that a larger sensor equates to less noise (for same
    sensor tech, # of MP's)


    --
    unners
    unners, Sep 22, 2005
    #9
  10. unners wrote:
    > 1/15th of a second won't do too much if the subject's moving though.
    > it's basic physics that a larger sensor equates to less noise (for same
    > sensor tech, # of MP's)
    >
    >

    I suppose it didn't really escaped your attention that I didn't say
    anything about subject movement, did it?

    The sensor may or may not produce less noise. Either way it's not the
    noise off the sensor which is being noted and used to portray Canon as
    somehow "better" but image noise which can easiely be handled.

    Canon clean it up in-camera, others leave it to the post processing. My
    observation is that post processing on a powerful PC with dedicated
    software wins hands down.

    --
    Douglas...
    Have gun will travel... Said his card.
    I didn't care, I shot him anyway.
    1/125th @ f5.6. R.I.P. Mamiya.
    Pix on Canvas, Sep 22, 2005
    #10
  11. Rod Out Back

    POTD.com.au Guest

    "Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    news:43325600$...
    > POTD.com.au wrote:
    >> "Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    >> news:433138f6$...
    >>
    >>>Keith Holley wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    >>>><> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Folks,
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au)
    >>>>>website. 8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out
    >>>>>LCD screen on the rear.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Cheers,
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Rod.......Out Back
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30 http
    >>>>://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    >>>> http ://www.dcresource.com both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 .
    >>>> One thing for sure both reviews
    >>>>say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down
    >>>>for
    >>>>the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used
    >>>>a
    >>>>CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.
    >>>>
    >>>>With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    >>>>great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Keith
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>It's all bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Sure the sensor is noisier
    >>>than a 1.5 times more expensive DSLR but you have to own one to
    >>>understand that is doesn't matter. The thing is, all SLR cameras have
    >>>stuff slapping around at the point of exposure and actually *NEED* High
    >>>ISO just to keep the shutter speed up so they'll take a sharp picture.

    >>
    >>
    >> Personally, I am quite happy with the 20x30inch 100ISO prints on my wall.
    >> Any softness is those from mirror slap has to be less noticable than high
    >> ISO noise, because I just can't see it.
    >>
    >>
    >>>The Panasonic's on the other hand are happy shooting sharp pictures at
    >>>1/15th speeds. There is some evidence here:
    >>>http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics

    >>
    >>
    >> Are there links to full size images for those or did I miss them?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > You didn't miss them Russell. I posted some full size crops or what I at
    > the time thought were full size - they probably are. The issue of noise is
    > quaint. Canon use their "Digic" on-board computer to clean up the signals
    > from their sensors. The sensors themselves are probably no less noisy than
    > any other.


    Ah I see... I missed the little text on the thumbs and blew right past
    those. :-(
    POTD.com.au, Sep 22, 2005
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  12. POTD.com.au wrote:
    > "Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    > news:43325600$...
    >
    >>POTD.com.au wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Pix on Canvas" <> wrote in message
    >>>news:433138f6$...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Keith Holley wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:43 GMT, "Rod Out Back"
    >>>>><> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Folks,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I see the Panasonic Lumix FZ-30 is now listed on the Panasonic (au)
    >>>>>>website. 8mp version of the FZ-20, with a few tweaks, and a flip-out
    >>>>>>LCD screen on the rear.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>A nice little number for those not wanting the plunge of a true SLR.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?productID=4129
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Cheers,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Rod.......Out Back
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Check out the following for a full review of FZ-30 http
    >>>>>://www.dpreview.com/reviews also
    >>>>> http ://www.dcresource.com both have review the FZ-30 and FZ-20 .
    >>>>>One thing for sure both reviews
    >>>>>say the FZ-30 is too noisey above ISO 100. They put the reason down
    >>>>>for
    >>>>>the noise to the small imager used. I wonder why Panasonic never used
    >>>>>a
    >>>>>CMOS imager as a way of lowering the noise.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>With the realse of the FZ-30 does this means that the FD-20 join the
    >>>>>great camera club in the sky went you have FZ-5 doing the same thing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Keith
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>It's all bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Sure the sensor is noisier
    >>>>than a 1.5 times more expensive DSLR but you have to own one to
    >>>>understand that is doesn't matter. The thing is, all SLR cameras have
    >>>>stuff slapping around at the point of exposure and actually *NEED* High
    >>>>ISO just to keep the shutter speed up so they'll take a sharp picture.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Personally, I am quite happy with the 20x30inch 100ISO prints on my wall.
    >>>Any softness is those from mirror slap has to be less noticable than high
    >>>ISO noise, because I just can't see it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>The Panasonic's on the other hand are happy shooting sharp pictures at
    >>>>1/15th speeds. There is some evidence here:
    >>>>http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Are there links to full size images for those or did I miss them?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>You didn't miss them Russell. I posted some full size crops or what I at
    >>the time thought were full size - they probably are. The issue of noise is
    >>quaint. Canon use their "Digic" on-board computer to clean up the signals
    >>from their sensors. The sensors themselves are probably no less noisy than
    >>any other.

    >
    >
    > Ah I see... I missed the little text on the thumbs and blew right past
    > those. :-(
    >
    >



    yeah... I'm about to reload the gallery with an updated version and get
    rid of that pathetic "sell" stuff. I trialled it for weddings but went
    elsewhere for the software. I never did figure out how to cleanly remove
    the stuff... Such is my devotion to computers now a days! No attention
    span. The older you get the narrower your area of concentration has to
    be to keep up with the pups of the litter.

    --
    Douglas...
    Have gun will travel... Said his card.
    I didn't care, I shot him anyway.
    1/125th @ f5.6. R.I.P. Mamiya.
    Pix on Canvas, Sep 22, 2005
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