sounds from the tripod

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Brian, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Brian

    Brian Guest

    I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    sound.

    Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    grip on the panning lever of the tripod.

    --
    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Mar 6, 2012
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  2. Brian

    ushere Guest

    On 6/03/2012 7:29 PM, Brian wrote:
    > I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    > found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    > picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    > recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    > sound.
    >
    > Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    > sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    > tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    > grip on the panning lever of the tripod.
    >


    cheap tripod?

    if the camera has a built in mic (consumer style), they're highly
    susceptible to ANY handling noise.

    if your camera has an external mic input get a rode mic in a suspension
    mount and kiss such problems goodbye ;-)
     
    ushere, Mar 6, 2012
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  3. Brian

    Brian Guest

    ushere <> wrote:
    > On 6/03/2012 7:29 PM, Brian wrote:
    >> I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    >> found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    >> picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    >> recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    >> sound.
    >>
    >> Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    >> sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    >> tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    >> grip on the panning lever of the tripod.
    >>

    >
    > cheap tripod?
    >
    > if the camera has a built in mic (consumer style), they're highly
    > susceptible to ANY handling noise.
    >
    > if your camera has an external mic input get a rode mic in a suspension
    > mount and kiss such problems goodbye ;-)


    I didn't pay a lot for the tripod but it won't blow over in a strong wind
    compared to other tripods.

    I think I'll have to train myself for dealing with a sensitive mic.
    If I attach a mic to the camera I'll have to get a bigger camera bag. I
    like to be able to quickly get my camera out of the bag and switch it on as
    soon as possible so I don't miss a good shot.

    Speaking of mics, a friend of mine had an idea of using the camera mic as
    well as a wireless mic so he can ask questions to the person being
    interviewed while recording him. The problem with this is that you get echo
    if the wireless mic comes close to the camera mic as the voice is recorded
    in both

    --
    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Mar 6, 2012
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  4. "ushere" <> wrote in message
    news:
    2ck5r.4069$:
    > On 6/03/2012 7:29 PM, Brian wrote:


    > > I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    > > found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    > > picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    > > recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    > > sound.
    > >
    > > Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    > > sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    > > tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    > > grip on the panning lever of the tripod.
    > >


    > cheap tripod?
    >
    > if the camera has a built in mic (consumer style), they're highly
    > susceptible to ANY handling noise.
    >
    > if your camera has an external mic input get a rode mic in a suspension
    > mount and kiss such problems goodbye ;-)


    Sigh - I was disappointed with the sound-quality of the Rode
    (it's rather bright), its weight (it's heavy), and the suspension
    isolation (it's not very effective). I compared several mics with
    shoe mounts and 1/8th inch stereo plugs, and while the Rode Stereo
    VideoMic wasn't terrible, others were better in all respects (but
    some did require suspension add-ons and/or external wind filters).
    Unfortunately, most of the better ones are no longer made (but they
    may be available used). I have not used it, but for new I would be
    most likely to try the Sennheiser MKE-400. My mic comparison (with
    audio samples) is at --
    http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/camcorder-mics.htm
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Mar 6, 2012
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  5. Brian

    Ty Ford Guest

    On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:29:27 -0500, Brian wrote
    (in article <>):

    > I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    > found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    > picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    > recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    > sound.
    >
    > Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    > sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    > tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    > grip on the panning lever of the tripod.
    >
    >


    Very typical.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford

    Try my new blog; http://tyfordaudiovideo.blogspot.com/
    Try my audio sample archive: http://tinyurl.com/796z25d
    Try my gear reviews: http://tinyurl.com/79q797r
     
    Ty Ford, Mar 6, 2012
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  6. Brian <> writes:

    > I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    > found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    > picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    > recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    > sound.
    >
    > Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    > sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    > tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    > grip on the panning lever of the tripod.


    There's a reason professionals use separate microphones elaborately
    suspended. Basically, sound travels through solid things MUCH better
    than through air.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
    Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 6, 2012
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  7. Brian

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Brian writes:

    > I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    > found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    > picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    > recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    > sound.
    >
    > Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    > sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    > tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    > grip on the panning lever of the tripod.


    It's always going to be a problem for anything that is solidly connected to
    the camera, e.g., a rigid tripod connected to a rigid camera through a rigid
    mounting plate.

    The only generally suitable solution is to record sound with an external
    microphone that is acoustically isolated from the tripod or other sources of
    unwanted noise. External microphones of quality comparable to those used on
    the camera are not that expensive and can solve all the problems of unwanted
    noise from handling of the camera or its tripod, in addition to providing
    better sound overall (on-camera mics are mainly for ambient noise and
    emergencies).
     
    Mxsmanic, Mar 6, 2012
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  8. Brian

    Brian Guest

    Mxsmanic <> wrote:
    > Brian writes:
    >
    >> I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    >> found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it is
    >> picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    >> recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little background
    >> sound.
    >>
    >> Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    >> sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from the
    >> tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing the
    >> grip on the panning lever of the tripod.

    >
    > It's always going to be a problem for anything that is solidly connected to
    > the camera, e.g., a rigid tripod connected to a rigid camera through a rigid
    > mounting plate.
    >
    > The only generally suitable solution is to record sound with an external
    > microphone that is acoustically isolated from the tripod or other sources of
    > unwanted noise. External microphones of quality comparable to those used on
    > the camera are not that expensive and can solve all the problems of unwanted
    > noise from handling of the camera or its tripod, in addition to providing
    > better sound overall (on-camera mics are mainly for ambient noise and
    > emergencies).


    Thanks for your suggestions.
    I was recording a person talking about some equipment he was standing next
    to and the vocal would have been better if he was holding a mic while
    talking. I got a few unwanted sounds from the tripod while he was talking.

    The type of mic that would suit me is a mic the picks up sound in front of
    it so that I don't get a lot of background noise. Any suggestions.

    --
    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Mar 7, 2012
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  9. Brian

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Brian writes:

    > I was recording a person talking about some equipment he was standing next
    > to and the vocal would have been better if he was holding a mic while
    > talking. I got a few unwanted sounds from the tripod while he was talking.


    Yes. I think even a garden-variety hand-held mic would be better than high
    quality mics on the camera.

    My dream is to have two hand-held wireless mics, two wireless lavalier mics,
    and two shotgun mics with booms and windjammers and stuff.

    Fortunately the videos I'm doing right now don't require recording anything by
    ambient noise, but if I want to do interviews, things will get complicated,
    although I do have a hand-held stereo recorder and an inexpensive ($35) Audio
    Technica ATR3350 lavalier mic (not wireless, alas!).

    > The type of mic that would suit me is a mic the picks up sound in front of
    > it so that I don't get a lot of background noise. Any suggestions.


    If you have time during the shoot, get an inexpensive lavalier like the one I
    mentioned (Audio Technica. They come with a really long cord. Then just clip
    the mic to your talent and let him talk. You can plug the mic into the camera.
    One channel will probably end up with the lavalier track, the other with the
    ambient track, and you can mix the two as you see fit during editing. It
    depends on what kinds of connections and options your camera has.

    If your camera doesn't have mic inputs, then you need to record separately,
    which requires some sort of external recorder. That's considerably more
    expensive, although nothing forces you to break the bank on it.

    Also, if you look around on YouTube, you can often find examples of all sorts
    of mics and stuff, allowing you to get some idea of how they work and sound
    before you spend your money.
     
    Mxsmanic, Mar 7, 2012
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  10. Brian

    Steve King Guest

    "Brian" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mxsmanic <> wrote:
    >> Brian writes:
    >>
    >>> I have noticed recently unwanted sounds in a video camera recording and
    >>> found that the microphone built into the camera is so sensitive that it
    >>> is
    >>> picking up sounds when I touch the tripod or touch the camera during a
    >>> recording. This will happen in quite conditions with very little
    >>> background
    >>> sound.
    >>>
    >>> Do others have this problem or do I have a camera that happens to have a
    >>> sensitive microphone. Are there tripods designed to prevent sounds from
    >>> the
    >>> tripod from reaching the camera? One example is when slowing releasing
    >>> the
    >>> grip on the panning lever of the tripod.

    >>
    >> It's always going to be a problem for anything that is solidly connected
    >> to
    >> the camera, e.g., a rigid tripod connected to a rigid camera through a
    >> rigid
    >> mounting plate.
    >>
    >> The only generally suitable solution is to record sound with an external
    >> microphone that is acoustically isolated from the tripod or other sources
    >> of
    >> unwanted noise. External microphones of quality comparable to those used
    >> on
    >> the camera are not that expensive and can solve all the problems of
    >> unwanted
    >> noise from handling of the camera or its tripod, in addition to providing
    >> better sound overall (on-camera mics are mainly for ambient noise and
    >> emergencies).

    >
    > Thanks for your suggestions.
    > I was recording a person talking about some equipment he was standing next
    > to and the vocal would have been better if he was holding a mic while
    > talking. I got a few unwanted sounds from the tripod while he was talking.
    >
    > The type of mic that would suit me is a mic the picks up sound in front of
    > it so that I don't get a lot of background noise. Any suggestions.
    >
    > --
    > Regards Brian


    Call B&H Photo in NY. I've always had very good experiences with them. You
    are looking for either a hyper-cardioid (some mfg. call it a super-cardioid)
    or a short shotgun microphone. Both cardioids and shotguns to one degree or
    another minimize the pickup of sounds from other than in front of the mic.
    The cardioids will perform better indoors, because they do not color the
    sound coming from the sides of the microphone nearly as much as a shotgun.
    Outdoors shotguns are usually preferred. Be aware that many of the better
    microphones require phantom power supplied by the camera; you'll probabably
    have to avoid those. One choice you might consider is a Sennheiser M-80.
    It is an older shotgun that uses an internal battery. You should expect to
    pay around a $100 or so. I haven't checked Ebay. It is a very rugged
    microphone.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Mar 7, 2012
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  11. Mxsmanic <> writes:

    > The only generally suitable solution is to record sound with an external
    > microphone that is acoustically isolated from the tripod or other sources of
    > unwanted noise. External microphones of quality comparable to those used on
    > the camera are not that expensive and can solve all the problems of unwanted
    > noise from handling of the camera or its tripod, in addition to providing
    > better sound overall (on-camera mics are mainly for ambient noise and
    > emergencies).


    That's one of the great things about most built-in microphones :).
    They're *so* easy to improve on.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
    Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 7, 2012
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  12. Brian <> writes:

    > Thanks for your suggestions.
    > I was recording a person talking about some equipment he was standing next
    > to and the vocal would have been better if he was holding a mic while
    > talking. I got a few unwanted sounds from the tripod while he was talking.
    >
    > The type of mic that would suit me is a mic the picks up sound in front of
    > it so that I don't get a lot of background noise. Any suggestions.


    Directional mikes are moderately effective. A basic "cardiod"
    (heart-shaped pickup pattern) mike is the entry-level choice in that
    category.

    The other choice is to place the mike very close to the sound source.
    That's why little mikes clipped to people's shirts are common. (Sound
    decreases in volume as move away from the source according to an inverse
    square law, so increasing distance makes a big difference. Putting the
    mike closer to the person talking increases the signal from them; then
    you turn down the gain to make their voice the right level, and that
    decreases background sounds.)

    (If you're interacting with the person, there's yet another problem; one
    solution is to re-record your questions later in the studio, so you can
    concentrate on getting the sound from the subject in the field.)
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
    Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 7, 2012
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  13. Mxsmanic <> writes:

    > Brian writes:
    >
    >> I was recording a person talking about some equipment he was standing next
    >> to and the vocal would have been better if he was holding a mic while
    >> talking. I got a few unwanted sounds from the tripod while he was talking.

    >
    > Yes. I think even a garden-variety hand-held mic would be better than high
    > quality mics on the camera.


    I do think that's the way to bet, yes.

    > My dream is to have two hand-held wireless mics, two wireless lavalier mics,
    > and two shotgun mics with booms and windjammers and stuff.


    And a multi-trck recorder! And a sound crew!

    > Fortunately the videos I'm doing right now don't require recording anything by
    > ambient noise, but if I want to do interviews, things will get complicated,
    > although I do have a hand-held stereo recorder and an inexpensive ($35) Audio
    > Technica ATR3350 lavalier mic (not wireless, alas!).


    One thing my Zoom H2n won't do is record it's main mike on one channel
    and an external mike on the other channel, so far as I can tell. That's
    a shame, because two independent tracks are sometimes more useful than a
    stereo pair.

    >> The type of mic that would suit me is a mic the picks up sound in front of
    >> it so that I don't get a lot of background noise. Any suggestions.

    >
    > If you have time during the shoot, get an inexpensive lavalier like the one I
    > mentioned (Audio Technica. They come with a really long cord. Then just clip
    > the mic to your talent and let him talk. You can plug the mic into the camera.
    > One channel will probably end up with the lavalier track, the other with the
    > ambient track, and you can mix the two as you see fit during editing. It
    > depends on what kinds of connections and options your camera has.


    That's certainly a useful default for what could happen when you plug a
    mono mike in. Dunno about what cameras actually do.

    > If your camera doesn't have mic inputs, then you need to record separately,
    > which requires some sort of external recorder. That's considerably more
    > expensive, although nothing forces you to break the bank on it.


    You can get quite good recorders with decent built-in mikes for $200.

    Once you're recording sound separately, you have to worry about syncing
    tracks.

    > Also, if you look around on YouTube, you can often find examples of all sorts
    > of mics and stuff, allowing you to get some idea of how they work and sound
    > before you spend your money.


    The web is our friend, in fact.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
    Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 7, 2012
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  14. Brian

    Mxsmanic Guest

    David Dyer-Bennet writes:

    > And a multi-trck recorder! And a sound crew!


    Actually, I'm a bit wary of having a crew. For some reason, I feel more
    comfortable if I can do everything myself. But obviously beyond a certain
    point, you need to entrust parts of the job to someone else.

    I've always wondered why directors of photography allow camera operators to
    actually do the shooting. If I were DP, I'd want to be handling the camera
    myself ... isn't that what being a DP is all about? Or at least isn't that the
    fun part?

    Conversely, I'd probably be happy as a camera operator with someone else as
    DP.

    > One thing my Zoom H2n won't do is record it's main mike on one channel
    > and an external mike on the other channel, so far as I can tell.


    I don't think any of the Zoom recorders will do that. You can record both the
    stereo channels with an external stereo mic, but you can't selectively record
    just one and have the other working from the built-in mic.

    > That's a shame, because two independent tracks are sometimes more useful than a
    > stereo pair.


    Agreed. Some of their models let you record multiple tracks, but the first two
    are still "wasted" on either the internal or external stereo mics.

    > You can get quite good recorders with decent built-in mikes for $200.


    Yes, the Zooms et al. Lots of debate over which of them is best. Mine does
    what I want, so I don't worry too much about the debates.

    > Once you're recording sound separately, you have to worry about syncing
    > tracks.


    I hear people talking about timecodes all the time, but I don't see why you
    can't just clap your hands in front of the camera at the start of a take and
    sync that way. It seems to have worked for Hollywood for a hundred years.
    What's wrong with it today?

    > The web is our friend, in fact.


    Especially YouTube. You can also check out results from stabilizers like the
    GlideCam and Merlin. I found a video yesterday that did quite a comparison of
    the $60,000 Steadicam, and a GlideCam (about $300), and the overpriced
    Steadicam Merlin. Frankly, they all looked pretty much the same for results,
    although the full Steadicam is about the only one that can damp translational
    movements (but apparently there aren't that many translational movements to
    damp).
     
    Mxsmanic, Mar 8, 2012
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  15. Brian

    Mxsmanic Guest

    David Dyer-Bennet writes:

    > That's one of the great things about most built-in microphones :).
    > They're *so* easy to improve on.


    Mine works great for what I do. But I don't have to record dialog, just
    ambient noise.

    They work okay if you're filming a group at close range, too. You'd need half
    a dozen mics to do that any other way, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't know
    that it would be an improvement. I haven't seen enough ENG in the field to
    know how they proceed in situations like that.
     
    Mxsmanic, Mar 8, 2012
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  16. Brian

    Brian Guest

    Mxsmanic <> wrote:
    > David Dyer-Bennet writes:
    >
    >> And a multi-trck recorder! And a sound crew!

    >
    > Actually, I'm a bit wary of having a crew. For some reason, I feel more
    > comfortable if I can do everything myself. But obviously beyond a certain
    > point, you need to entrust parts of the job to someone else.
    >
    > I've always wondered why directors of photography allow camera operators to
    > actually do the shooting. If I were DP, I'd want to be handling the camera
    > myself ... isn't that what being a DP is all about? Or at least isn't that the
    > fun part?


    I know what you mean I was directing a movie and gave clear instructions to
    cameramen but what they recorded was different to what I wanted in some
    cases. There was not time to play back the recorded video as we had a
    limited time to do the recordings. i feel its important that a cameraman
    knows what you are trying to achieve in a shot.
    >
    > Conversely, I'd probably be happy as a camera operator with someone else as
    > DP.
    >
    >> One thing my Zoom H2n won't do is record it's main mike on one channel
    >> and an external mike on the other channel, so far as I can tell.

    >
    > I don't think any of the Zoom recorders will do that. You can record both the
    > stereo channels with an external stereo mic, but you can't selectively record
    > just one and have the other working from the built-in mic.


    This usuallybresults in an echo if sound is recorded by both mics as a
    friend of mine found out.
    >
    >> That's a shame, because two independent tracks are sometimes more useful than a
    >> stereo pair.

    >
    >
    > I hear people talking about timecodes all the time, but I don't see why you
    > can't just clap your hands in front of the camera at the start of a take and
    > sync that way. It seems to have worked for Hollywood for a hundred years.
    > What's wrong with it today?


    I think processional cameras recorded a beep on the sound track at be start
    of each recording. The old clapper board was used when sound was recorded
    separate from the camera. It's not difficult to use the sound from the
    cameras mic to match the sound from an external source.

    <parts of the original text has been removed to save space>

    --
    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Mar 8, 2012
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  17. Brian

    Brian Guest

    Mxsmanic <> wrote:
    > David Dyer-Bennet writes:
    >
    >> That's one of the great things about most built-in microphones :).
    >> They're *so* easy to improve on.

    >
    > Mine works great for what I do. But I don't have to record dialog, just
    > ambient noise.
    >
    > They work okay if you're filming a group at close range, too. You'd need half
    > a dozen mics to do that any other way, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't know
    > that it would be an improvement. I haven't seen enough ENG in the field to
    > know how they proceed in situations like that.


    There seems to be a lack of information on a cameras built in mic. It would
    be helpful to know the frequency response, the sensitivity of the mic and
    what field the mic covers such as surround or front of the sound.
    There's also a lack of info on recording in 5.1 sound. To get true surround
    sound you would need 5 mics separated from each and pointing in different
    directions. The 5th sound track for the sub woofer would come from a low
    pass filter in the camera but I don't think the cameras mic can record down
    to very low frequencies that sub woofers operate at.
    In noisy environments its better to switch from 5.1 to 2 channel stereo.

    --
    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Mar 8, 2012
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  18. Brian

    ushere Guest

    as a guide - i regularly shoot interviews and the like for doco's and
    broadcasters.

    i gave up wireless since the interference from mobiles is both annoying
    and insidious since you might not pick it on the headphones, but it can
    be a bugger to remove in post.

    i usually use a shotgun (senn 416) either on a boom (if budget covers
    soundman), or mic stand, and in noisier areas a sony ecm 44b lav AS WELL.

    if forced i'll use mt senn 200 wireless system, but only if i know
    there's either no alternative (eg. walking talent), or guarantee there's
    no mobile phones in the immediate area.

    *don't know about the rest of the world but here in aus you canh= have
    your phone on silent or vibrating, but the incoming signal still bleeds
    through most radio mic bandwidths....
     
    ushere, Mar 8, 2012
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  19. Brian

    Ty Ford Guest

    On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:33:58 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote
    (in article <>):

    > Actually, I'm a bit wary of having a crew. For some reason, I feel more
    > comfortable if I can do everything myself. But obviously beyond a certain
    > point, you need to entrust parts of the job to someone else.
    >
    > I've always wondered why directors of photography allow camera operators to
    > actually do the shooting. If I were DP, I'd want to be handling the camera
    > myself ... isn't that what being a DP is all about? Or at least isn't that
    > the fun part?


    This is a typical response for most people who start working for themselves.
    At some point your work suffers until you accept that as your projects
    expand, you can't do it all and get the best results.

    Having said that, hiring the right people becomes your next challenge. If you
    think gear is quirky, the "wet ware" that operates it is infinitely more so.
    So, you should be wary.

    The folks I usually work with when I'm doing just audio -- DP and producers
    -- are very happy with not having to worry about audio until I tell them
    there's a problem due to noise or something else.

    Being able to work well in a group is pretty essential to stepping up.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


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    Try my audio sample archive: http://tinyurl.com/796z25d
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    Ty Ford, Mar 8, 2012
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  20. Brian

    Ty Ford Guest

    On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:36:24 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote
    (in article <>):

    > David Dyer-Bennet writes:
    >
    >> That's one of the great things about most built-in microphones :).
    >> They're *so* easy to improve on.

    >
    > Mine works great for what I do. But I don't have to record dialog, just
    > ambient noise.
    >
    > They work okay if you're filming a group at close range, too.


    not really

    You'd need half
    > a dozen mics to do that any other way, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't know
    > that it would be an improvement.


    One or two booms can easily sound way better than an on-camera mic.

    I haven't seen enough ENG in the field to
    > know how they proceed in situations like that.


    ENG is different. It's pretty much commando tactics. EFP and up is more
    concerned with quality.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


    Try my new blog; http://tyfordaudiovideo.blogspot.com/
    Try my audio sample archive: http://tinyurl.com/796z25d
    Try my gear reviews: http://tinyurl.com/79q797r
     
    Ty Ford, Mar 8, 2012
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