spammers

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Bob Ford, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    have literally taken over this newsgroup.

    I only read 2 other groups on a regular basis and they don't seem to
    get as much of this crap as this group does.

    Shame because this used to be a place where valuable info was shared.
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Jul 16, 2009
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  2. Bob Ford

    David McCall Guest

    "Bob Ford" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    > have literally taken over this newsgroup.
    >
    > I only read 2 other groups on a regular basis and they don't seem to
    > get as much of this crap as this group does.
    >
    > Shame because this used to be a place where valuable info was shared.
    > Bob Ford
    > Images In Motion
    > www.imagesinmotion.com
    >

    Spam has increased, but it looks even worse when nobody is asking questions
    or providing useful information. Most of the time it's safe to just hit the
    "mark all"
    button when you visit these days.

    I find the Spam annoying too, but not that hard to ignore. I just read what
    is
    of interest to me then hit the "mark all" button on the way out.

    The only way around it is to change the group to a moderated format, but
    then
    someone has to read every post and declare it worthy before we can see it.
    In some situations it might work out, but much of the time we need to get
    answers as quick as possible and having a moderator in the way would be
    a problem, especially if the moderator is sleeping or on vacation. I wonder
    if there is a way to declare a visitor to be "acceptable" after a post being
    approved. That way each visitor gets checked once and approved or
    declared Spam. Spam would just be deleted, and the rest of life could
    continue just as it is now but without the Spam. A first time visitor might
    have to wait a bit for the moderator to get around to checking the post.

    David
     
    David McCall, Jul 16, 2009
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  3. Bob Ford

    ushere Guest

    David McCall wrote:
    > "Bob Ford" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    >> have literally taken over this newsgroup.
    >>
    >> I only read 2 other groups on a regular basis and they don't seem
    >> to get as much of this crap as this group does.
    >>
    >> Shame because this used to be a place where valuable info was
    >> shared. Bob Ford Images In Motion www.imagesinmotion.com
    >>

    > Spam has increased, but it looks even worse when nobody is asking
    > questions or providing useful information. Most of the time it's safe
    > to just hit the "mark all" button when you visit these days.
    >
    > I find the Spam annoying too, but not that hard to ignore. I just
    > read what is of interest to me then hit the "mark all" button on the
    > way out.
    >
    > The only way around it is to change the group to a moderated format,
    > but then someone has to read every post and declare it worthy before
    > we can see it. In some situations it might work out, but much of the
    > time we need to get answers as quick as possible and having a
    > moderator in the way would be a problem, especially if the moderator
    > is sleeping or on vacation. I wonder if there is a way to declare a
    > visitor to be "acceptable" after a post being approved. That way each
    > visitor gets checked once and approved or declared Spam. Spam would
    > just be deleted, and the rest of life could continue just as it is
    > now but without the Spam. A first time visitor might have to wait a
    > bit for the moderator to get around to checking the post.
    >
    > David
    >
    >

    well. judging from some of my clients attitudes, and certainly from even
    more of my students, there's nothing left to ask about. they know it
    all. heck, they've got windows movie maker or imovie, what more do they
    need? and if they want examples of bad video, youtube, et al, they have
    plenty of examples. unfortunately, it seems youtube etc., now sets the bar
    for quality, and it's so abismally low, almost anything they produce
    looks like a silk purse in comparison. the problem lies in explaining to
    them that their little 'masterpiece', is little better...
     
    ushere, Jul 16, 2009
    #3
  4. Bob Ford

    Larry in AZ Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, Bob Ford <>
    said:

    > I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    > have literally taken over this newsgroup.


    I see very little spam here. Perhaps you need to tweak yur spam filters.

    --
    Larry Jandro
    Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals
    Scottsdale, Arizona, USA
    [Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to reply]
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 16, 2009
    #4
  5. "Bob Ford" wrote...
    >I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    > have literally taken over this newsgroup.


    This newsgroup has very little spam. The notion that they have "taken
    over" this newsgroup is completely without evidence. And what little
    spam there is here can be quickly identified from the subject line and
    just passed over and ignored. Repeat offenders get plonked.

    I read other newsgroups where there are multiple spam messages
    every day. That is most certainly NOT the case here on r.v.p I can
    count the number of spam messages in a week on my fingers.

    Mr. Ford, you are either hyper-sensitive or else you aren't filtering
    out the obvious repeat offendors.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
    #5
  6. "David McCall" wrote ...
    > I find the Spam annoying too, but not that hard to ignore.


    Dunno what you guys are seeing, but I have seen very little spam
    on this newsgroup in the last several months.

    > The only way around it is to change the group to a moderated
    > format, but then someone has to read every post and declare it worthy
    > before we can see it.


    There is a moderated video newsgroup news:rec.video.professional
    Or I should say that there *was* r.v.p because of the problem of
    arranging for competent and timely coverage. That newsgroup is
    now dead (along with hundreds of other moderated newsgroups).
    We do not have sufficient resources or interest here to switch to
    a moderated newsgroup. It is not a practical option IMHO.

    There are plenty of web-based forums for discussion of specialty
    topics (such as dvinfo.net, hv20.com, etc.) I am more frequently
    visiting those newsgroups simply because they concentrate discussion
    of specific topics in a way that would be impossible here. But that
    doesn't change the fact that web-based discussion forums are all
    horrible compared to the most basic newsreader client.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
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  7. Bob Ford

    Mike Kujbida Guest

    Richard Crowley wrote:
    > "Bob Ford" wrote...
    >> I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    >> have literally taken over this newsgroup.

    >
    > This newsgroup has very little spam. The notion that they have "taken
    > over" this newsgroup is completely without evidence. And what little
    > spam there is here can be quickly identified from the subject line and
    > just passed over and ignored. Repeat offenders get plonked.
    >
    > I read other newsgroups where there are multiple spam messages
    > every day. That is most certainly NOT the case here on r.v.p I can
    > count the number of spam messages in a week on my fingers.
    >
    > Mr. Ford, you are either hyper-sensitive or else you aren't filtering
    > out the obvious repeat offendors.




    Or he's reading it online at googlegroups.com where there's a
    horrendous amount of it :-(

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Jul 16, 2009
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  8. "Mike Kujbida" wrote ...
    > Richard Crowley wrote:
    >> "Bob Ford" wrote...
    >>> I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    >>> have literally taken over this newsgroup.

    >>
    >> This newsgroup has very little spam. The notion that they have "taken
    >> over" this newsgroup is completely without evidence. And what little
    >> spam there is here can be quickly identified from the subject line and
    >> just passed over and ignored. Repeat offenders get plonked.
    >>
    >> I read other newsgroups where there are multiple spam messages
    >> every day. That is most certainly NOT the case here on r.v.p I can
    >> count the number of spam messages in a week on my fingers.
    >>
    >> Mr. Ford, you are either hyper-sensitive or else you aren't filtering
    >> out the obvious repeat offendors.

    >
    > Or he's reading it online at googlegroups.com where there's a horrendous
    > amount of it :-(


    I have ZERO sympathy for people who read this (or any other
    newsgroup) on Google Groups. Google is the SOURCE of the
    spam and ENABLER of the spammers. People who use Google
    deserve what they get.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
    #8
  9. On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:19:04 GMT, ushere
    <> wrote:

    >plenty of examples. unfortunately, it seems youtube etc., now sets the bar
    >for quality, and it's so abismally low, almost anything they produce
    >looks like a silk purse in comparison. the problem lies in explaining to
    >them that their little 'masterpiece', is little better...


    Youtube & quality in one sentence :))

    -m-

    Z'├ętaient chouettes les filles du bord de mer
    Z'├ętaient faites pour qui savait y faire
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 17, 2009
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  10. Bob Ford

    Matt Guest

    "Bob Ford" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    > have literally taken over this newsgroup.
    >
    > I only read 2 other groups on a regular basis and they don't seem to
    > get as much of this crap as this group does.
    >
    > Shame because this used to be a place where valuable info was shared.
    > Bob Ford
    > Images In Motion
    > www.imagesinmotion.com


    I just switched to a free news server (thank you bellsouth/AT&T for
    canceling newsgroup access)and it seems to have blocked all spam in this
    group...at least so far..

    http://www.eternal-september.org/
     
    Matt, Jul 29, 2009
    #10
  11. "Bob A" wrote ...
    >> "Richard Crowley" wrote:
    >> I have ZERO sympathy for people who read this (or any other
    >> newsgroup) on Google Groups. Google is the SOURCE of the
    >> spam and ENABLER of the spammers. People who use Google
    >> deserve what they get.


    > Thank you for your usual 'hollier than thou' response.


    Those of us who remember what Usenet was like before Google
    (and before AOL) have little tolerance for the entities that are
    systematicaly destroying it. No apology. Wake up and smell the
    coffee grounds.

    > Perhaps instead of insulting folks you might share how to go
    > about setting up 'filters' to reduce the huge amount of span this
    > NG has, for us poor folk that receive it as a 'digest' Thank you.


    People who use Google Groups are insulting themselves. They
    need no aditional help from me.

    Your "digest" is some sort of local phenomenon that you have
    arranged with whomever is sending out the "digest". Usenet has
    nothing to do with email. If you want your digest provider to do
    some filtering you will have to deal with them about that. If it is
    Google, then good luck. Might as well start looking for some
    more responsible (and responsive) provider right now.

    You can't filter email digests AFTER they have been compiled
    and sent out. They have to have been filtered by the people
    who are assembling the digest. If you are talking about Google,
    then I can only repeat that Google IS THE SOURCE OF THE
    SPAM which you are complaining about. So the farther away
    from Google you can get, the less spam you will have to deal
    with. Simple as that. Denial doesn't seem very effective.

    I didn't cause the mess, I'm only reporting on it. People who
    use Google Groups are actually ENABLING the spam, so no
    apoligies there, either. You chose to deal with Google and you
    must deal with the consequences of your decision. Complaining
    about spam in Google Groups is futile and makes you look
    silly and/or helpless.

    Now if you want to use a real newsreader (dozens available for
    free) and a real news server (again many available for free), then
    we can share filtering techniques. Nobody who uses a real news-
    reader client prefers any kind of web-based or email-based forum.
    Compared to a real newsreader, everything else is user-vicious
    and much slower.

    Filtering techniques don't work for 3rd-party generated email
    digests. And anything to do with Google is like drinking from
    the sewer. Spam Central. Just Say No.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 30, 2009
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