Try scanning a twenty with Photoshop 8.

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by basket case, Jan 12, 2004.

  1. basket case

    basket case Guest

    I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    bill with the newest Photoshop.

    A window came up saying that this application
    does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    or something like that.

    Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    has stepped way over the line.
     
    basket case, Jan 12, 2004
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  2. basket case <> wrote:

    > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    >
    > A window came up saying that this application
    > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > or something like that.
    >
    > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > has stepped way over the line.


    Before posting a question like that, it can be useful to check if this
    subject is not yet discussed in other threads. This is indeed already
    heavily discussed (see: "Photoshop CS Analyzes Image Content!"), so the
    answer is: Yes, many people feel Adobe is way over the line.


    --
    Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
    Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/
     
    Johan W. Elzenga, Jan 12, 2004
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  3. basket case

    nik Guest

    Yes and no

    Yes as it would have been nice of Adobe to tell us first.

    And no

    As there was a valid reason, plus there are plenty of work rounds to it.

    NIK

    "basket case" <> wrote in message
    news:M3xMb.5426978$...
    > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    >
    > A window came up saying that this application
    > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > or something like that.
    >
    > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > has stepped way over the line.
     
    nik, Jan 12, 2004
    #3
  4. basket case

    Eric Gill Guest

    "nik" <> wrote in news:btu8bc$ku6$1
    @titan.btinternet.com:

    > Yes and no
    >
    > Yes as it would have been nice of Adobe to tell us first.


    So "nice" that it would have kept a customer that has purchased for both
    platforms (as long as versions for both have existed) since before Adobe
    even owned Photoshop (or it was called that). That is, me.

    > And no
    >
    > As there was a valid reason,


    There was?

    > plus there are plenty of work rounds to it.


    Not to mention the fact that since Photoshop is a photo editor, it is still
    possible to scan bills using a number of twain-compliant utilities, but it
    is not so easy to *modify* the image for legitimate use.

    I'm utterly floored by the lack of thought put into this latest stupidity.
     
    Eric Gill, Jan 12, 2004
    #4
  5. basket case

    pioe[rmv] Guest

    basket case wrote:

    > A window came up saying that this application
    > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > or something like that.


    > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > has stepped way over the line.


    We should not be surprised.

    First people accepted Product Activation - a major restriction of
    people's rights to what they paid for.

    Who can then be surprised by ever more built-in limitations?

    Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
     
    pioe[rmv], Jan 12, 2004
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  6. basket case

    Voivod Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:00:29 GMT, Eric Gill <>
    scribbled:

    >"nik" <> wrote in news:btu8bc$ku6$1
    >@titan.btinternet.com:
    >
    >> Yes and no
    >>
    >> Yes as it would have been nice of Adobe to tell us first.

    >
    >So "nice" that it would have kept a customer that has purchased for both
    >platforms (as long as versions for both have existed) since before Adobe
    >even owned Photoshop (or it was called that). That is, me.
    >
    >> And no
    >>
    >> As there was a valid reason,

    >
    >There was?
    >
    >> plus there are plenty of work rounds to it.

    >
    >Not to mention the fact that since Photoshop is a photo editor, it is still
    >possible to scan bills using a number of twain-compliant utilities, but it
    >is not so easy to *modify* the image for legitimate use.
    >
    >I'm utterly floored by the lack of thought put into this latest stupidity.


    So you're mad that Photoshop won't let you counterfit money
    anymore? And based on that change alone you'd not have
    bought the product if you'd known the ability to counterfit
    money was no longer available?
     
    Voivod, Jan 12, 2004
    #6
  7. basket case

    subdude Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:00:29 GMT, Eric Gill <>
    graced us with:

    >"nik" <> wrote in news:btu8bc$ku6$1
    >@titan.btinternet.com:
    >
    >> Yes and no
    >>
    >> Yes as it would have been nice of Adobe to tell us first.


    True.

    >So "nice" that it would have kept a customer that has purchased for both
    >platforms (as long as versions for both have existed) since before Adobe
    >even owned Photoshop (or it was called that). That is, me.


    Well, if you want to vote with your $$, that is your choice. I don't
    have a problem with it.

    >> And no
    >>
    >> As there was a valid reason,

    >
    >There was?


    The Treasury Department addressed a perfectly valid reason. And if
    you need a full size copy they have a specimen available for use.

    >> plus there are plenty of work rounds to it.

    >
    >Not to mention the fact that since Photoshop is a photo editor, it is still
    >possible to scan bills using a number of twain-compliant utilities, but it
    >is not so easy to *modify* the image for legitimate use.
    >
    >I'm utterly floored by the lack of thought put into this latest stupidity.


    The program only prevent you from editing a *full size copy* of
    currency. For what legitimate reason do you need to modify a full size
    version of currency? Advertising? Artwork? C'mon, 98% of the people
    in this group have no need to modify a full size copy of currency for
    a 'legitimate' use and the only reason people are pissed off is simply
    cause they can't. And the Activation thing is only a problem for
    people who want to defeat it for nefarious purposes. There are plenty
    of *valid* reasons to be pissed off a Adobe, but neither of these
    are...
     
    subdude, Jan 12, 2004
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  8. basket case

    The Data Rat Guest

    Funny you should mention that. I just watched a show on counterfeiters and
    NO WHERE did they mention scanning dollars into Photoshop as a way that the
    counterfeiters used. According to the documentary, counterfeiters are
    using very expensive and high tech equipment. I would imagine people with
    that kind of money, getting around Photoshop's little recognition module
    would just be a tiny inconvenience if PS is what they wanted to use.


    "basket case" <> wrote in message
    news:M3xMb.5426978$...
    > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    >
    > A window came up saying that this application
    > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > or something like that.
    >
    > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > has stepped way over the line.
     
    The Data Rat, Jan 12, 2004
    #8
  9. basket case

    The Data Rat Guest

    Sunshine,

    Basket case never said they wanted to counterfeit money or that they would
    not have bought PS if they couldn't counterfeit or even duplicate money.

    As Johan said, it was discussed in an earlier thread and decided that Adobe
    had stepped over the line and as Nik said, there are ways around it.

    Also, it is counterfeit, not counterfit.


    So you're mad that Photoshop won't let you counterfit money
    anymore? And based on that change alone you'd not have
    bought the product if you'd known the ability to counterfit
    money was no longer available?

    "Voivod" <> wrote in message
    news:tvd500555s2lbd44viqjfugjrh0mi180fb@news-server...
    > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:00:29 GMT, Eric Gill <>
    > scribbled:
    >
    > >"nik" <> wrote in news:btu8bc$ku6$1
    > >@titan.btinternet.com:
    > >
    > >> Yes and no
    > >>
    > >> Yes as it would have been nice of Adobe to tell us first.

    > >
    > >So "nice" that it would have kept a customer that has purchased for both
    > >platforms (as long as versions for both have existed) since before Adobe
    > >even owned Photoshop (or it was called that). That is, me.
    > >
    > >> And no
    > >>
    > >> As there was a valid reason,

    > >
    > >There was?
    > >
    > >> plus there are plenty of work rounds to it.

    > >
    > >Not to mention the fact that since Photoshop is a photo editor, it is

    still
    > >possible to scan bills using a number of twain-compliant utilities, but

    it
    > >is not so easy to *modify* the image for legitimate use.
    > >
    > >I'm utterly floored by the lack of thought put into this latest

    stupidity.
    >
    > So you're mad that Photoshop won't let you counterfit money
    > anymore? And based on that change alone you'd not have
    > bought the product if you'd known the ability to counterfit
    > money was no longer available?
    >
     
    The Data Rat, Jan 12, 2004
    #9
  10. basket case

    Voivod Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:44:41 -0500, "The Data Rat" <>
    scribbled:

    >Sunshine,


    My name's not sunshine, fuckwit.

    >Basket case never said they wanted to counterfeit money or that they would
    >not have bought PS if they couldn't counterfeit or even duplicate money.


    "So "nice" that it would have kept a customer"

    >As Johan said, it was discussed in an earlier thread and decided that Adobe
    >had stepped over the line and as Nik said, there are ways around it.


    Over what line would that be? Stopping people from trying to
    counterfeit (my most humble apologies for misspelling that word)
    money?
     
    Voivod, Jan 12, 2004
    #10
  11. basket case

    Mike Hopper Guest

    Data Rat

    The big time counterfeits are made with high cost hardware/software but
    there are many hundred times more home based counterfeit artists that might
    use Photoshop and an ink jet printer (photo-quality preferred). Adobe is
    complying with a request from a group of bankers from around the world who
    have been asking hardware/software vendors to find effective ways of killing
    off the counterfeit currency business. All sorts of schemes have been
    proposed including filtering out such images from the print stream in the
    print driver. You are not going to find some sophisticated image
    identification processing system in a $100 printer.

    Think of it as a new "homeland security" measure.

    mike


    "The Data Rat" <> wrote in message
    news:7_zMb.71606$hf1.28949@lakeread06...
    > Funny you should mention that. I just watched a show on counterfeiters

    and
    > NO WHERE did they mention scanning dollars into Photoshop as a way that

    the
    > counterfeiters used. According to the documentary, counterfeiters are
    > using very expensive and high tech equipment. I would imagine people with
    > that kind of money, getting around Photoshop's little recognition module
    > would just be a tiny inconvenience if PS is what they wanted to use.
    >
    >
    > "basket case" <> wrote in message
    > news:M3xMb.5426978$...
    > > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    > >
    > > A window came up saying that this application
    > > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > > or something like that.
    > >
    > > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > > has stepped way over the line.

    >
    >
     
    Mike Hopper, Jan 12, 2004
    #11
  12. basket case

    Stephan Guest

    "Voivod" <> wrote in message
    news:tvd500555s2lbd44viqjfugjrh0mi180fb@news-server...
    > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:00:29 GMT, Eric Gill <>
    > scribbled:
    >
    > So you're mad that Photoshop won't let you counterfit money
    > anymore? And based on that change alone you'd not have
    > bought the product if you'd known the ability to counterfit
    > money was no longer available?


    I don't think this is the real issue.
    It is all about people putting their nose in your business.
    Will the next Photoshop version not let you scan nudes?
    Maybe you won't be able to use any photo of W unless it is "approved" by the
    White House and no filter othe than USM will work.
    Maybe your machine will silently report any use of selected words to the
    "Home Security Thing"
    You see where it can go?
    I am not paranoid and have nothing to hide but I can tell when "They" step
    on my feet.

    Stephan
     
    Stephan, Jan 12, 2004
    #12
  13. basket case

    Voivod Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:35:21 GMT, "Stephan" <>
    scribbled:

    >
    >"Voivod" <> wrote in message
    >news:tvd500555s2lbd44viqjfugjrh0mi180fb@news-server...
    >> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:00:29 GMT, Eric Gill <>
    >> scribbled:
    >>
    >> So you're mad that Photoshop won't let you counterfit money
    >> anymore? And based on that change alone you'd not have
    >> bought the product if you'd known the ability to counterfit
    >> money was no longer available?

    >
    >I don't think this is the real issue.


    I do.

    >It is all about people putting their nose in your business.


    So vote with your wallet and buy something else, or
    just go back to Ver. 7.

    >Will the next Photoshop version not let you scan nudes?


    Unless it can also judge the age and not allow perverts to
    scan photos of nude children I highly doubt it. The idea
    behind NOT allowing people to scan full sized currency
    is to curtail crime.

    >Maybe you won't be able to use any photo of W unless it is "approved" by the
    >White House and no filter othe than USM will work.


    Maybe you need a tin foil hat?

    >Maybe your machine will silently report any use of selected words to the
    >"Home Security Thing"


    They're already scanning the web, usenet, and probably your
    email and logging what books you take out from the library
    so what's the difference?

    >You see where it can go?


    Nope. All I see is people bitching about a non issue. No one needs
    a full size scan of any current currency. And if they do, they can
    contact the Govt. for one.

    >I am not paranoid and have nothing to hide but I can tell when "They" step
    >on my feet.


    Your delusions above say differently.
     
    Voivod, Jan 12, 2004
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  14. basket case

    Mark Guest

    Is there a crack for this? Has anyone tried with other currency?


    "basket case" <> wrote in message
    news:M3xMb.5426978$...
    > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    >
    > A window came up saying that this application
    > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > or something like that.
    >
    > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > has stepped way over the line.
     
    Mark, Jan 12, 2004
    #14
  15. basket case

    The Data Rat Guest

    Voivod,

    I was just trying to point out in a light-hearted manner that you are SO
    negative and mean. Flaming has it's place...alt.flame. I did not curse,
    become vulgar or sarcastic with you. I have yet to see any helpful comments
    from you. You sound like a lonely old tyrant.

    But that's okay...had enough of your poison...you're blocked.

    "Voivod" <> wrote in message
    news:cek500p872i8jvggu0h20i1gbt9dlqfhuj@news-server...
    > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:44:41 -0500, "The Data Rat" <>
    > scribbled:
    >
    > >Sunshine,

    >
    > My name's not sunshine, fuckwit.
    >
    > >Basket case never said they wanted to counterfeit money or that they

    would
    > >not have bought PS if they couldn't counterfeit or even duplicate money.

    >
    > "So "nice" that it would have kept a customer"
    >
    > >As Johan said, it was discussed in an earlier thread and decided that

    Adobe
    > >had stepped over the line and as Nik said, there are ways around it.

    >
    > Over what line would that be? Stopping people from trying to
    > counterfeit (my most humble apologies for misspelling that word)
    > money?
    >
    >
     
    The Data Rat, Jan 12, 2004
    #15
  16. Don't scan it with Photshop, just use the scanner software.

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    "Mark" <> wrote in message
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    > Is there a crack for this? Has anyone tried with other currency?
     
    Erik Muna aka PetFish, Jan 12, 2004
    #16
  17. pioe[rmv] wrote:

    > basket case wrote:
    >
    > > A window came up saying that this application
    > > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > > or something like that.

    >
    > > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > > has stepped way over the line.

    >
    > We should not be surprised.
    >
    > First people accepted Product Activation - a major restriction of
    > people's rights to what they paid for.


    I am not in any way trying to imply that your view is wrong. However, we
    might want to cool down and let ourselves be reminded that we actually do
    NOT purchase the SOFTWARE, but LICENSE (to use it). Also, I've had a chance
    to go thoroughly through many of the EULAs (for those who are not familiar
    with the acronym: End User License Agreement), I notice that it does limit
    the USE (of the program licensed to us) to a very questonable level.

    For example, I seem to recall an EULA, by which you are effectively not
    permitted to use the software in question to make anti-government
    propaganda material. If I don't like, say Toni Blair, I am still not
    permitted to use the FOO-SOFT(TM) to produce a poster that says, "Toni
    Bliar" or "Toni the Blair Witch", or anything that might make him look bad
    (although, since I don't live in UK, I believe I would not even want to do
    such a thing). Nice one's are permitted, it seems. IMHO, that has nothing
    to do with any sort of freedom, especially the freedom to express our
    opinions through any means possible (as long as it does not endanger the
    lives and rights of our fellow citizens).

    We might understand the concern of FOO-SOFT(TM) for it's reputation, but
    that is, IMO, no reason to limit the use of their product to "politically
    correct" frame. For example, if such an EULA existed in 1939, no one would
    be allowed to produce anything that promotes an anti-Nazi or anti-Hitler
    idea.

    I'd say the term "corporate cenzorship" might well appy here... Not that
    I'm too concerned, tho.

    > Who can then be surprised by ever more built-in limitations?
    >
    > Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway




    --
    Branko Vukelic ()
     
    Branko Vukelic, Jan 12, 2004
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  18. basket case

    Voivod Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:05:16 -0500, "The Data Rat" <>
    scribbled:

    >But that's okay...had enough of your poison...you're blocked.


    Buh-bye nice man!
     
    Voivod, Jan 12, 2004
    #18
  19. The Data Rat wrote:

    > Funny you should mention that. I just watched a show on counterfeiters
    > and NO WHERE did they mention scanning dollars into Photoshop as a way
    > that the counterfeiters used. According to the documentary,
    > counterfeiters are using very expensive and high tech equipment. I would
    > imagine people with that kind of money, getting around Photoshop's little
    > recognition module would just be a tiny inconvenience if PS is what they
    > wanted to use.


    Besides, I think the masters in the "trade" would soon disable it anyway.
    Look for a patch on the net soon. ;)

    >
    > "basket case" <> wrote in message
    > news:M3xMb.5426978$...
    > > I was watching The Screen Savers TV show this
    > > morning. They tried scanning a twenty dollar
    > > bill with the newest Photoshop.
    > >
    > > A window came up saying that this application
    > > does not support unauthorized copying of money,
    > > or something like that.
    > >
    > > Does anyone else feel, like I do, that Adobe
    > > has stepped way over the line.




    --
    Branko Vukelic ()
     
    Branko Vukelic, Jan 12, 2004
    #19
  20. basket case

    Bobs Guest

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:44:41 -0500, "The Data Rat"
    <> wrote:

    >Sunshine,
    >
    >Basket case never said they wanted to counterfeit money or that they would
    >not have bought PS if they couldn't counterfeit or even duplicate money.
    >
    >As Johan said, it was discussed in an earlier thread and decided that Adobe
    >had stepped over the line and as Nik said, there are ways around it.
    >
    >Also, it is counterfeit, not counterfit.
    >

    Adobe is making a presumption of guilt with regard to its customers,
    never a good practice and one that's likely to get reversed on them.
     
    Bobs, Jan 12, 2004
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