VHS to DVD and copy protection signal?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by HQ, Nov 3, 2003.

  1. HQ

    HQ Guest

    Hi all,

    I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!

    Any idea?

    HQ
    HQ, Nov 3, 2003
    #1
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  2. "HQ" wrote ...
    > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!


    By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    do not have the legal right to copy them.
    Richard Crowley, Nov 3, 2003
    #2
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  3. If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have the
    legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard. You
    can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of about
    15 minutes.
    --
    Best regards,
    Craig Scheiner
    Executive Producer
    CPS Associates
    Video Production and Publication
    www.cpsvideo.net

    "Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "HQ" wrote ...
    > > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!

    >
    > By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > do not have the legal right to copy them.
    >
    >
    Craig Scheiner, Nov 3, 2003
    #3
  4. HQ

    Andys cam Guest

    That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    protection for any reason.

    >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have the
    >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard. You
    >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of about
    >15 minutes.
    >--
    >Best regards,
    >Craig Scheiner
    >Executive Producer
    >CPS Associates
    >Video Production and Publication
    >www.cpsvideo.net
    >
    >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> "HQ" wrote ...
    >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!

    >>
    >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Andys cam, Nov 3, 2003
    #4
  5. HQ

    DK Guest

    "Andys cam" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    > protection for any reason.


    Case law has supported the right to make "backup" copies of legally
    purchased copyrighted material, regardless of what the actual legislation
    is. Case law has supported the spirit of the copyright law - and case law is
    as important as the actual text of the law.


    > >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have

    the
    > >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard. You
    > >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of

    about
    > >15 minutes.
    > >--
    > >Best regards,
    > >Craig Scheiner
    > >Executive Producer
    > >CPS Associates
    > >Video Production and Publication
    > >www.cpsvideo.net
    > >
    > >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> "HQ" wrote ...
    > >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    > >>
    > >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    DK, Nov 3, 2003
    #5
  6. HQ

    Andys cam Guest

    That used to be the case, but no longer. "Case law" has already supported the
    'no defeating of copy protection' statutes. If you can make a 'backup' for
    personal use, only without tampering in any way with the copy protrection, then
    it is permitted.

    >Case law has supported the right to make "backup" copies of legally
    >purchased copyrighted material, regardless of what the actual legislation
    >is. Case law has supported the spirit of the copyright law - and case law is
    >as important as the actual text of the law.
    Andys cam, Nov 3, 2003
    #6
  7. This has been legal since I think 1984, when the Supreme Court ruled making
    a back-up copy of videos you own is legal. I think you are referring to the
    Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or similar name. Copying will remain
    legal, copyguard defeated or not, until someone is prosecuted,. found
    guilty, appeals, and the Supreme Court reverses its 1984 decision. I think,
    since I'm not PTravel. Ask him for an answer you know you can rely on.

    --
    Best regards,
    Craig Scheiner
    Executive Producer
    CPS Associates
    Video Production and Publication
    www.cpsvideo.net

    "Andys cam" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    > protection for any reason.
    >
    > >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have

    the
    > >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard. You
    > >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of

    about
    > >15 minutes.
    > >--
    > >Best regards,
    > >Craig Scheiner
    > >Executive Producer
    > >CPS Associates
    > >Video Production and Publication
    > >www.cpsvideo.net
    > >
    > >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> "HQ" wrote ...
    > >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    > >>
    > >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Craig Scheiner, Nov 3, 2003
    #7
  8. HQ

    PTRAVEL Guest

    "DK" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Andys cam" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    > > protection for any reason.

    >
    > Case law has supported the right to make "backup" copies of legally
    > purchased copyrighted material, regardless of what the actual legislation
    > is. Case law has supported the spirit of the copyright law - and case law

    is
    > as important as the actual text of the law.


    Case law is actually more important than the actual text of the law, since
    it is the courts' job to construe the statute, and it will be the courts'
    construction that determines how the statute will be applied. However, as
    I've discussed in another post, the courts have not permitted making backup
    copies, at least to my knowledge.

    >
    >
    > > >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have

    > the
    > > >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard.

    You
    > > >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of

    > about
    > > >15 minutes.
    > > >--
    > > >Best regards,
    > > >Craig Scheiner
    > > >Executive Producer
    > > >CPS Associates
    > > >Video Production and Publication
    > > >www.cpsvideo.net
    > > >
    > > >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    > > >news:...
    > > >> "HQ" wrote ...
    > > >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > > >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some

    discussions
    > > >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    > > >>
    > > >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > > >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > > >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > > >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    PTRAVEL, Nov 3, 2003
    #8
  9. HQ

    PTRAVEL Guest

    "Craig Scheiner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > This has been legal since I think 1984, when the Supreme Court ruled

    making
    > a back-up copy of videos you own is legal. I think you are referring to

    the
    > Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or similar name. Copying will remain
    > legal, copyguard defeated or not, until someone is prosecuted,. found
    > guilty, appeals, and the Supreme Court reverses its 1984 decision. I

    think,
    > since I'm not PTravel. Ask him for an answer you know you can rely on.


    Okay, a couple of quick points . . .

    1. Sony v. Universal found that recording broadcasts for later viewing came
    within fair use, i.e. was a complete defense to copyright infringement.
    However, that decision was predicated on a belief by the courts that (a) no
    one would compile a library of copyright-protected material in this fashion,
    and (b) under traditional fair-use analysis, air checks not only didn't
    negatively impact the market for the protected broadcast work, but actually
    facilitated it, because more people would be exposed to the advertisers'
    messages.

    Of course, (a), above, turned out to be wrong -- I know lots of people who
    have such libraries. Now, with respect to making back-up copies, that does
    not come within Sony v. Universal. The Copyright Act permits making a
    backup of a _computer program_, which might or might not be, for example, a
    DVD or D-VHS recording. It wouldn't permit copying of a VHS tape under the
    statute. That leaves only fair use. I don't think the rationale of Sony
    v. Universal would apply to backups -- unlike an ephemeral broadcast, tape
    and DVD producers, whether the studios or event videographers, depend, in
    part, on multiple sales to their customers. Think of the parent whose kid
    wears out the Barney tape from multiple replaying. Accordingly, the fair
    use argument which prevailed in Sony v. Universal is not completely on point
    with backups.

    Finally, remember that the makeup of the Supreme Court which decided Sony v.
    Universal is quite different from the present court, which is much more
    conservative, and much less likely to find a strong First Amendment interest
    in an activity which is perceived as having a negative economic impact.

    Accordingly, (and I haven't researched this), I'd be inclined to say that
    backups probably are not permitted under existing law.

    2. Now, on to the more interesting point. There are, without question,
    contexts in which making a copy of copy-protected video material would fall
    fairly within fair use. However, the DMCA makes illegal use of
    copy-protection-defeating devices (actually, it makes the devices,
    themselves, illegal). Now, there are fairly easy ways to defeat
    Macrovision -- any good TBC (which has substantial non-infringing uses and
    wouldn't, therefore, be precluded by the DMCA) can copy
    Macrovision-protected material. The question, then, isn't can it be done,
    but would doing it violate the DMCA? The answer is: I don't know, and I
    don't think anyone else does at this point. The DMCA provides that it does
    not limit existing fair use doctrine. However, it is, nonetheless, squarely
    at odds with _existing_ provisions of the Copyright Act. For example, the
    Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA) defines as non-prosecutable making personal
    copies of sound recordings. However, a lot of CD-producers have introduced
    CDs which can't be "ripped" by conventional computer software. If I write
    and use a program which can rip one of these non-copyable CDs, I've violated
    the DMCA, even though that specific activity is authorized by the AHRA.

    The DMCA is a very badly drafted piece of legislation (reflecting, no doubt,
    the input of entertainment industry lobbyists). Fortunately, it will
    probably be revised by Congress within the year to correct some of its more
    onerous and contradictory flaws.

    Okay, that wasn't that quick. But you and Andy's Cam have correctly
    identified one of the inherent contradictions in the DMCA. You're both
    right about that one, and it will have to be remedied by Congress.



    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > Craig Scheiner
    > Executive Producer
    > CPS Associates
    > Video Production and Publication
    > www.cpsvideo.net
    >
    > "Andys cam" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    > > protection for any reason.
    > >
    > > >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do have

    > the
    > > >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard.

    You
    > > >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of

    > about
    > > >15 minutes.
    > > >--
    > > >Best regards,
    > > >Craig Scheiner
    > > >Executive Producer
    > > >CPS Associates
    > > >Video Production and Publication
    > > >www.cpsvideo.net
    > > >
    > > >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    > > >news:...
    > > >> "HQ" wrote ...
    > > >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > > >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some

    discussions
    > > >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    > > >>
    > > >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > > >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > > >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > > >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    PTRAVEL, Nov 3, 2003
    #9
  10. There is a thing that called TBC (Time Base Corrector) ,stuck it between and
    forget :)

    --
    Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
    "HQ" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    >
    > Any idea?
    >
    > HQ
    Oleg Kaizerman, Nov 4, 2003
    #10
  11. HQ

    AnthonyR Guest

    Even with all this back and forth debating on the issue programs that openly
    defeat macrovision, remove it and then transfer the content to a blank dvd,
    sometimes even recompressing it so it fits on a single dvd are being sold
    like wildfire.
    DVDxCopy is being advertised by TigerDirect on tv with all their systems as
    allowing you to copy dvd movies that you own.
    So to answer the original question, you can at the moment go into a store an
    legally purchase software that will allow you to make backup copies of your
    dvd's, yes.
    I will cost you between $50-$150, so it might be cheaper to just by a copy
    if only a few are needed.
    There is a freeware version, but after trying it once, it had an error
    reading the movie and stopped after an hour of processing.

    AnthonyR
    "PTRAVEL" <> wrote in message
    news:bo6nen$1902sr$-berlin.de...
    >
    > "Craig Scheiner" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > This has been legal since I think 1984, when the Supreme Court ruled

    > making
    > > a back-up copy of videos you own is legal. I think you are referring to

    > the
    > > Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or similar name. Copying will remain
    > > legal, copyguard defeated or not, until someone is prosecuted,. found
    > > guilty, appeals, and the Supreme Court reverses its 1984 decision. I

    > think,
    > > since I'm not PTravel. Ask him for an answer you know you can rely on.

    >
    > Okay, a couple of quick points . . .
    >
    > 1. Sony v. Universal found that recording broadcasts for later viewing

    came
    > within fair use, i.e. was a complete defense to copyright infringement.
    > However, that decision was predicated on a belief by the courts that (a)

    no
    > one would compile a library of copyright-protected material in this

    fashion,
    > and (b) under traditional fair-use analysis, air checks not only didn't
    > negatively impact the market for the protected broadcast work, but

    actually
    > facilitated it, because more people would be exposed to the advertisers'
    > messages.
    >
    > Of course, (a), above, turned out to be wrong -- I know lots of people who
    > have such libraries. Now, with respect to making back-up copies, that

    does
    > not come within Sony v. Universal. The Copyright Act permits making a
    > backup of a _computer program_, which might or might not be, for example,

    a
    > DVD or D-VHS recording. It wouldn't permit copying of a VHS tape under

    the
    > statute. That leaves only fair use. I don't think the rationale of Sony
    > v. Universal would apply to backups -- unlike an ephemeral broadcast, tape
    > and DVD producers, whether the studios or event videographers, depend, in
    > part, on multiple sales to their customers. Think of the parent whose

    kid
    > wears out the Barney tape from multiple replaying. Accordingly, the fair
    > use argument which prevailed in Sony v. Universal is not completely on

    point
    > with backups.
    >
    > Finally, remember that the makeup of the Supreme Court which decided Sony

    v.
    > Universal is quite different from the present court, which is much more
    > conservative, and much less likely to find a strong First Amendment

    interest
    > in an activity which is perceived as having a negative economic impact.
    >
    > Accordingly, (and I haven't researched this), I'd be inclined to say that
    > backups probably are not permitted under existing law.
    >
    > 2. Now, on to the more interesting point. There are, without question,
    > contexts in which making a copy of copy-protected video material would

    fall
    > fairly within fair use. However, the DMCA makes illegal use of
    > copy-protection-defeating devices (actually, it makes the devices,
    > themselves, illegal). Now, there are fairly easy ways to defeat
    > Macrovision -- any good TBC (which has substantial non-infringing uses and
    > wouldn't, therefore, be precluded by the DMCA) can copy
    > Macrovision-protected material. The question, then, isn't can it be done,
    > but would doing it violate the DMCA? The answer is: I don't know, and I
    > don't think anyone else does at this point. The DMCA provides that it

    does
    > not limit existing fair use doctrine. However, it is, nonetheless,

    squarely
    > at odds with _existing_ provisions of the Copyright Act. For example, the
    > Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA) defines as non-prosecutable making

    personal
    > copies of sound recordings. However, a lot of CD-producers have

    introduced
    > CDs which can't be "ripped" by conventional computer software. If I write
    > and use a program which can rip one of these non-copyable CDs, I've

    violated
    > the DMCA, even though that specific activity is authorized by the AHRA.
    >
    > The DMCA is a very badly drafted piece of legislation (reflecting, no

    doubt,
    > the input of entertainment industry lobbyists). Fortunately, it will
    > probably be revised by Congress within the year to correct some of its

    more
    > onerous and contradictory flaws.
    >
    > Okay, that wasn't that quick. But you and Andy's Cam have correctly
    > identified one of the inherent contradictions in the DMCA. You're both
    > right about that one, and it will have to be remedied by Congress.
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Best regards,
    > > Craig Scheiner
    > > Executive Producer
    > > CPS Associates
    > > Video Production and Publication
    > > www.cpsvideo.net
    > >
    > > "Andys cam" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > That is not true - current legislation makes it offense to defeat copy
    > > > protection for any reason.
    > > >
    > > > >If you bought them, not copied them from rentals, you certainly do

    have
    > > the
    > > > >legal right to make one copy. It's simple enough to defeat copyguard.

    > You
    > > > >can do your own web search to find out how. It should take you all of

    > > about
    > > > >15 minutes.
    > > > >--
    > > > >Best regards,
    > > > >Craig Scheiner
    > > > >Executive Producer
    > > > >CPS Associates
    > > > >Video Production and Publication
    > > > >www.cpsvideo.net
    > > > >
    > > > >"Richard Crowley" <> wrote in message
    > > > >news:...
    > > > >> "HQ" wrote ...
    > > > >> > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > > > >> > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some

    > discussions
    > > > >> > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    > > > >>
    > > > >> By what means do you have the license/rights/permission to
    > > > >> copy this material? It sounds like you have consumer copies
    > > > >> of commercial videos with Macrovision. You almost certainly
    > > > >> do not have the legal right to copy them.
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    AnthonyR, Nov 4, 2003
    #11
  12. HQ

    Mike Kujbida Guest

    I use DVD Shrink to do my DVD back-ups (kids are not the most gentle at
    handling things like CDs & DVDs). Works like a charm - and it's free :)
    www.dvdshrink.org

    Mike

    "AnthonyR" <> wrote in message
    news:5HQpb.78127$...
    > Even with all this back and forth debating on the issue programs that

    openly
    > defeat macrovision, remove it and then transfer the content to a blank

    dvd,
    > sometimes even recompressing it so it fits on a single dvd are being sold
    > like wildfire.
    > DVDxCopy is being advertised by TigerDirect on tv with all their systems

    as
    > allowing you to copy dvd movies that you own.
    > So to answer the original question, you can at the moment go into a store

    an
    > legally purchase software that will allow you to make backup copies of

    your
    > dvd's, yes.
    > I will cost you between $50-$150, so it might be cheaper to just by a copy
    > if only a few are needed.
    > There is a freeware version, but after trying it once, it had an error
    > reading the movie and stopped after an hour of processing.
    Mike Kujbida, Nov 4, 2003
    #12
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    nunquam Guest

    I've discovered it is possible with my Canopus ADVC-100 analog-digital
    converter. It's an affordable device and you can find info on bypassing
    Macrovision on the web.

    I'm not mass producing videos or selling them to people or even giving them
    away...I did it to preserve some favorite VHS movies that are no longer
    available for sale. One example: my copies of the first 3 Star Wars
    movies...the original widescreen theatrical releases which George Lucas
    replaced with the altered "Special Edition" versions in the 1990s.

    "HQ" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I would like to transfer all my favorite VHSs to DVD but the copy
    > protection signal keeps me from doing that. I read some discussions
    > on this group but it looks like nobody can do it!
    >
    > Any idea?
    >
    > HQ
    nunquam, Nov 5, 2003
    #13
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    Genny22

    Joined:
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    This problem is solved for a long time
    I can recommend one firm which can solve it. I have found here such site
    //xdimax.com/grex/grex.html. :D

    They have a device - GREX, I heard that with its help it is possible to block protection DVD and satellite tv-channels and to write down transfers on the dvd.
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2011
    Genny22, Feb 26, 2011
    #14
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