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I already have a Nikon Coolpix 5400 and 5700. I haven't had both long enough
to know which one I like better, though I'd probably go with the 5700 with
its longish zoom, LCD panel, and EVF. I have to own 2 because my wife lately
hogs the 5700 camera when I'm trying to use it, and a cheap P & S wouldn't
work because she kept insisting "what if I want to blow it up?" (Hence the
5400.) Like she's going to blow up an 8x10 of our cat with the
grease-stained walls in the background and harsh lighting from the built-in
or pop-up flash, but oh well.

I do prefer Nikon models, I'm a "Nikonian" as it were and would get the D100
if it were going this cheap, but it still continues to go for a
grand--surprising, given the D70's excellence and low-price. That said, I
recenly liquidated my entire 35mm stock (an N80, 2 lenses, a flash) so I'm
starting "bare" regardless; the only "legacy" Nikon equipment I have is a
Sunpak 433AF dedicated flash which works with the 5400/5700, and I paid all
of 30 bucks for it in great condition.

Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our local
paper, $450 for the body. I seem to be finding them that cheap a lot of
places, too. I realize they are a 3.3 megapixel model (if I recall) whereas
even the Rebel and the D70 are 6 megapixels, but I hear different things
about how actually the photos from even a D30 would look better than from a
5400/5700 despite the 5400/5700 being a 5-megapixel. True? (One guy says he
owns a Sony DSC-F717 and finds his D30--yes--D30--blows up better.)

Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about $550
or $600. Would you guys consider one at that price, given the $800 Digital
Rebel and $900 D-70? I do realize the D30 or D60 wouldn't be as quickly
reflexive as any new model, but I'd imagine they'd still blow away my 5400
or 5700 in shot-to-shot speed. Would they?

Also, how good would they do in low-light? I took this shot (link below)
with my 5700, it's a 23-second exposure and nothing was done in terms of
noise-reduction besides what the camera itself did. Would the D30 or D60 do
that well in low-light? I remember Pop Photo (yeah, I know, not that
creditable a source) saying the Nikon D100 did MUCH better than the D60 in
low-light, and I seem to recall them not caring much for the D30's low-light
capabilities either. On the other hand, Dpreview.com seemed to find them
just fine. Your opinions.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2611685

Your opinions? Tips?

LRH

I would take a D60 over a digital rebel anytime. In fact I'd take a
D30 over a digital rebel.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:43:50 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I already have a Nikon Coolpix 5400 and 5700. I haven't had both long enough
>to know which one I like better, though I'd probably go with the 5700 with
>its longish zoom, LCD panel, and EVF. I have to own 2 because my wife lately
>hogs the 5700 camera when I'm trying to use it, and a cheap P & S wouldn't
>work because she kept insisting "what if I want to blow it up?" (Hence the
>5400.) Like she's going to blow up an 8x10 of our cat with the
>grease-stained walls in the background and harsh lighting from the built-in
>or pop-up flash, but oh well.
>
>I do prefer Nikon models, I'm a "Nikonian" as it were and would get the D100
>if it were going this cheap, but it still continues to go for a
>grand--surprising, given the D70's excellence and low-price. That said, I
>recenly liquidated my entire 35mm stock (an N80, 2 lenses, a flash) so I'm
>starting "bare" regardless; the only "legacy" Nikon equipment I have is a
>Sunpak 433AF dedicated flash which works with the 5400/5700, and I paid all
>of 30 bucks for it in great condition.
>
>Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our local
>paper, $450 for the body. I seem to be finding them that cheap a lot of
>places, too. I realize they are a 3.3 megapixel model (if I recall) whereas
>even the Rebel and the D70 are 6 megapixels, but I hear different things
>about how actually the photos from even a D30 would look better than from a
>5400/5700 despite the 5400/5700 being a 5-megapixel. True? (One guy says he
>owns a Sony DSC-F717 and finds his D30--yes--D30--blows up better.)
>
>Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about $550
>or $600. Would you guys consider one at that price, given the $800 Digital
>Rebel and $900 D-70? I do realize the D30 or D60 wouldn't be as quickly
>reflexive as any new model, but I'd imagine they'd still blow away my 5400
>or 5700 in shot-to-shot speed. Would they?
>
>Also, how good would they do in low-light? I took this shot (link below)
>with my 5700, it's a 23-second exposure and nothing was done in terms of
>noise-reduction besides what the camera itself did. Would the D30 or D60 do
>that well in low-light? I remember Pop Photo (yeah, I know, not that
>creditable a source) saying the Nikon D100 did MUCH better than the D60 in
>low-light, and I seem to recall them not caring much for the D30's low-light
>capabilities either. On the other hand, Dpreview.com seemed to find them
>just fine. Your opinions.
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2611685
>
>Your opinions? Tips?
>
>LRH
>

Why is that? Doesn't the D30 have 3.3 megapixels vs 6.2? (And that's not an
apples/oranges comparision, they're both D-SLRs.) And wouldn't it have
longer shot-to-shot or RAW-saving times?

Just curious.


"GT40" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I would take a D60 over a digital rebel anytime. In fact I'd take a
> D30 over a digital rebel.
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:43:50 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I already have a Nikon Coolpix 5400 and 5700. I haven't had both long
enough
> >to know which one I like better, though I'd probably go with the 5700
with
> >its longish zoom, LCD panel, and EVF. I have to own 2 because my wife
lately
> >hogs the 5700 camera when I'm trying to use it, and a cheap P & S
wouldn't
> >work because she kept insisting "what if I want to blow it up?" (Hence
the
> >5400.) Like she's going to blow up an 8x10 of our cat with the
> >grease-stained walls in the background and harsh lighting from the
built-in
> >or pop-up flash, but oh well.
> >
> >I do prefer Nikon models, I'm a "Nikonian" as it were and would get the
D100
> >if it were going this cheap, but it still continues to go for a
> >grand--surprising, given the D70's excellence and low-price. That said, I
> >recenly liquidated my entire 35mm stock (an N80, 2 lenses, a flash) so
I'm
> >starting "bare" regardless; the only "legacy" Nikon equipment I have is a
> >Sunpak 433AF dedicated flash which works with the 5400/5700, and I paid
all
> >of 30 bucks for it in great condition.
> >
> >Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our local
> >paper, $450 for the body. I seem to be finding them that cheap a lot of
> >places, too. I realize they are a 3.3 megapixel model (if I recall)
whereas
> >even the Rebel and the D70 are 6 megapixels, but I hear different things
> >about how actually the photos from even a D30 would look better than from
a
> >5400/5700 despite the 5400/5700 being a 5-megapixel. True? (One guy says
he
> >owns a Sony DSC-F717 and finds his D30--yes--D30--blows up better.)
> >
> >Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about
$550
> >or $600. Would you guys consider one at that price, given the $800
Digital
> >Rebel and $900 D-70? I do realize the D30 or D60 wouldn't be as quickly
> >reflexive as any new model, but I'd imagine they'd still blow away my
5400
> >or 5700 in shot-to-shot speed. Would they?
> >
> >Also, how good would they do in low-light? I took this shot (link below)
> >with my 5700, it's a 23-second exposure and nothing was done in terms of
> >noise-reduction besides what the camera itself did. Would the D30 or D60
do
> >that well in low-light? I remember Pop Photo (yeah, I know, not that
> >creditable a source) saying the Nikon D100 did MUCH better than the D60
in
> >low-light, and I seem to recall them not caring much for the D30's
low-light
> >capabilities either. On the other hand, Dpreview.com seemed to find them
> >just fine. Your opinions.
> >
> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2611685
> >
> >Your opinions? Tips?
> >
> >LRH
> >
>

MegaPixels aren't everything. The main reason is AI SERVO AF on the
digital rebel is only avilable in the sports mode, and in no other
(from reading this newsgroup). I bought a D2000, which is 2MP and
have sold commecialy with it.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:27:32 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Why is that? Doesn't the D30 have 3.3 megapixels vs 6.2? (And that's not an
>apples/oranges comparision, they're both D-SLRs.) And wouldn't it have
>longer shot-to-shot or RAW-saving times?
>
>Just curious.
>
>
>"GT40" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> I would take a D60 over a digital rebel anytime. In fact I'd take a
>> D30 over a digital rebel.
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:43:50 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >I already have a Nikon Coolpix 5400 and 5700. I haven't had both long
>enough
>> >to know which one I like better, though I'd probably go with the 5700
>with
>> >its longish zoom, LCD panel, and EVF. I have to own 2 because my wife
>lately
>> >hogs the 5700 camera when I'm trying to use it, and a cheap P & S
>wouldn't
>> >work because she kept insisting "what if I want to blow it up?" (Hence
>the
>> >5400.) Like she's going to blow up an 8x10 of our cat with the
>> >grease-stained walls in the background and harsh lighting from the
>built-in
>> >or pop-up flash, but oh well.
>> >
>> >I do prefer Nikon models, I'm a "Nikonian" as it were and would get the
>D100
>> >if it were going this cheap, but it still continues to go for a
>> >grand--surprising, given the D70's excellence and low-price. That said, I
>> >recenly liquidated my entire 35mm stock (an N80, 2 lenses, a flash) so
>I'm
>> >starting "bare" regardless; the only "legacy" Nikon equipment I have is a
>> >Sunpak 433AF dedicated flash which works with the 5400/5700, and I paid
>all
>> >of 30 bucks for it in great condition.
>> >
>> >Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our local
>> >paper, $450 for the body. I seem to be finding them that cheap a lot of
>> >places, too. I realize they are a 3.3 megapixel model (if I recall)
>whereas
>> >even the Rebel and the D70 are 6 megapixels, but I hear different things
>> >about how actually the photos from even a D30 would look better than from
>a
>> >5400/5700 despite the 5400/5700 being a 5-megapixel. True? (One guy says
>he
>> >owns a Sony DSC-F717 and finds his D30--yes--D30--blows up better.)
>> >
>> >Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about
>$550
>> >or $600. Would you guys consider one at that price, given the $800
>Digital
>> >Rebel and $900 D-70? I do realize the D30 or D60 wouldn't be as quickly
>> >reflexive as any new model, but I'd imagine they'd still blow away my
>5400
>> >or 5700 in shot-to-shot speed. Would they?
>> >
>> >Also, how good would they do in low-light? I took this shot (link below)
>> >with my 5700, it's a 23-second exposure and nothing was done in terms of
>> >noise-reduction besides what the camera itself did. Would the D30 or D60
>do
>> >that well in low-light? I remember Pop Photo (yeah, I know, not that
>> >creditable a source) saying the Nikon D100 did MUCH better than the D60
>in
>> >low-light, and I seem to recall them not caring much for the D30's
>low-light
>> >capabilities either. On the other hand, Dpreview.com seemed to find them
>> >just fine. Your opinions.
>> >
>> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2611685
>> >
>> >Your opinions? Tips?
>> >
>> >LRH
>> >
>>
>

Just the point that only certain metering modes are available in certain
operating modes (?) like Av, Tv and M is the biggest reason I wouldn't
consider the DRebel. My D30, while slower all around, and 1/2 the res, in
my opinion, outperformed the DRebel in the other things that were important
to me. I don't like conceding control to the camera, and, by extension, to
the camera designer.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

"Larry R Harrison Jr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:KQEbd.87737$a85.2081@fed1read04...
> Why is that? Doesn't the D30 have 3.3 megapixels vs 6.2? (And that's not
> an
> apples/oranges comparision, they're both D-SLRs.) And wouldn't it have
> longer shot-to-shot or RAW-saving times?
>
> Just curious.
>
>
> "GT40" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I would take a D60 over a digital rebel anytime. In fact I'd take a
>> D30 over a digital rebel.
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:43:50 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >I already have a Nikon Coolpix 5400 and 5700. I haven't had both long
> enough
>> >to know which one I like better, though I'd probably go with the 5700
> with
>> >its longish zoom, LCD panel, and EVF. I have to own 2 because my wife
> lately
>> >hogs the 5700 camera when I'm trying to use it, and a cheap P & S
> wouldn't
>> >work because she kept insisting "what if I want to blow it up?" (Hence
> the
>> >5400.) Like she's going to blow up an 8x10 of our cat with the
>> >grease-stained walls in the background and harsh lighting from the
> built-in
>> >or pop-up flash, but oh well.
>> >
>> >I do prefer Nikon models, I'm a "Nikonian" as it were and would get the
> D100
>> >if it were going this cheap, but it still continues to go for a
>> >grand--surprising, given the D70's excellence and low-price. That said,
>> >I
>> >recenly liquidated my entire 35mm stock (an N80, 2 lenses, a flash) so
> I'm
>> >starting "bare" regardless; the only "legacy" Nikon equipment I have is
>> >a
>> >Sunpak 433AF dedicated flash which works with the 5400/5700, and I paid
> all
>> >of 30 bucks for it in great condition.
>> >
>> >Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our
>> >local
>> >paper, $450 for the body. I seem to be finding them that cheap a lot of
>> >places, too. I realize they are a 3.3 megapixel model (if I recall)
> whereas
>> >even the Rebel and the D70 are 6 megapixels, but I hear different things
>> >about how actually the photos from even a D30 would look better than
>> >from
> a
>> >5400/5700 despite the 5400/5700 being a 5-megapixel. True? (One guy says
> he
>> >owns a Sony DSC-F717 and finds his D30--yes--D30--blows up better.)
>> >
>> >Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about
> $550
>> >or $600. Would you guys consider one at that price, given the $800
> Digital
>> >Rebel and $900 D-70? I do realize the D30 or D60 wouldn't be as quickly
>> >reflexive as any new model, but I'd imagine they'd still blow away my
> 5400
>> >or 5700 in shot-to-shot speed. Would they?
>> >
>> >Also, how good would they do in low-light? I took this shot (link below)
>> >with my 5700, it's a 23-second exposure and nothing was done in terms of
>> >noise-reduction besides what the camera itself did. Would the D30 or D60
> do
>> >that well in low-light? I remember Pop Photo (yeah, I know, not that
>> >creditable a source) saying the Nikon D100 did MUCH better than the D60
> in
>> >low-light, and I seem to recall them not caring much for the D30's
> low-light
>> >capabilities either. On the other hand, Dpreview.com seemed to find them
>> >just fine. Your opinions.
>> >
>> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2611685
>> >
>> >Your opinions? Tips?
>> >
>> >LRH
>> >
>>
>
>

Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
> [snip]
> Anyway, I once a few months ago saw a Canon EOS D30 for sale in our local
> paper, $450 for the body..........
>
> Meanwhile of course the D60 is a 6 megapixel, and seems to go for about $550
> or $600..........

Buying a used body is an excellent way to break into the DSLR world.
When (and if) you decide to upgrade, you'll recover a good portion of
your initial investment.

Between a D30 at $450 and a D60 at $550, go for the D60. However, you
might find a deal like I did: D30+BGED3 for $450 (I then sold the BG-ED3
for $160 on ebay 'cause I already had one for my 10D)

-Dave

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:17:55 GMT, Robert Barr
<sallydog716-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I've read up on all of them. What difference in autofocus performance
>can I expect between a D60 and a (film, of course) Elan 7? What I'd
>like to have is a digital Elan 7. That's simple enough. 2,354 feature
>charts later, I'm still not sure what I want to do.

Then you need the 20D

>
>I love the Elan's viewfinder and the illuminating focus spot(s), as well
>as its focus speed relative to my old film Rebel. Plus its quietness.
>Not that it's the ultimate film body, but I'm definitely spoiled now.
>
>What would you say are the primary advantages of a D60 -- nice used --
>over a new Digital Rebel kit? (Already have a basic set of lenses).
>Top 3 features that would affect YOUR decision? The Rebel now has a
>$100 rebate out there, which helps level the field.

The D60 can use predictive focus in all modes, the digital rebel only
in sports mode.

Robert Barr wrote:
> What would you say are the primary advantages of a D60 -- nice used --
> over a new Digital Rebel kit? (Already have a basic set of lenses).
> Top 3 features that would affect YOUR decision? The Rebel now has a
> $100 rebate out there, which helps level the field.

AF mode (AI Servo/One-shot) control:
DR: depends on mode dial
D60: can be set independently from mode dial

AF control:
DR: shutter button pressed half-way
D60: can be programmed to the "*" button (very important to me)

External flash connection:
DR: hot shoe only
D60: hot shoe and PC-cord connection

Custom functions:
DR: none
D60: plenty

Remote control:
DR: RS60-E3 (wired), RC-1 and RC-5 (wireless), USB/software
D60: RS80-N3 and TC80-N3 (wired), USB/software
* the TC80-N3 can do intervals, timer and delay (1 sec - 99 hrs)

Autofocus performance:
DR: as good as the 10D
D60: worse than the 10D

-Dave

Robert Barr wrote:
> Well, I guess I'll find out firsthand now. Bought a D60 the other day...

How much did you pay for it?
-
Dave