20D as point & shoot?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Robert Bobb, Mar 27, 2005.

  1. I always thought the word referred to a person who takes photographs.
    I guess you could try to promote a more restrictive definition, but
    -- to what end?
     
    Ben Rosengart, Apr 26, 2005
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  2. Robert Bobb

    james Guest

    Hey, I often do. My 20D stays on P or Av mode. Granted, I've only had
    it a week, but, I think I know what I'm doing, and more importantly, I
    think I understand what the electronics are doing. I appreciate it.

    Part of my motivation for going with Canon was the terriffic experience
    I had with an AE-1 in the late 70's. For some reason that I've
    forgotten, I got a Nikon around 1980. But all my best phtography was
    with that Canon. I actually suspect that the Nikon somehow stifled my
    creativity. Nothing against Nikon. I liked that camera for technical
    reasons (and I'm looking for an FE body now, because I think I want to
    shoot some film. My new digital camera is whetting my appetite for
    film.)
    Hey, bird shots are tough. I get the impression that there's a lot of
    amateur erotica being made, and that's driving the market. (I shoot
    landscapes and close-up plants, in case you're wondering ;-)
    I don't know yet. I'm just now learning how to use this camera. My
    instincts aren't quite getting the results I expect. Digital is not
    Film. That's what I'm learning. I'm not disappointed at all; I think
    it's interesting to learn something.
    You have good questions, and the truth is, I don't know yet. I'm just
    now learning it. At one time I had an instinct for exposure. I got
    good results by dead reckoning, sometimes using an incident meter. Then
    again, I used the same camera and the same film every day.
    Now, I did not mean to disparage the creative zone modes. Those are
    quite useful. In fact, I got into this thread saying how handy the
    granny mode can be. Then I realized, my granny was probably pretty
    skilled with a manual camera. Then again, I wouldn't expect even a
    total computer geek like myself to find the shutter speed and aperture
    control on this camera immediately.

    I think I need to get my hands on an Argus brick and a few hundred feed
    of Tri-X.
     
    james, Apr 26, 2005
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  3. Robert Bobb

    jfitz Guest

    Thanks for your reply in the spirit to which my original post was made. It
    is refreshing to get an honest reply to the point of the post, rather than
    the posting style, be it bottom or top, a diatribe on the merits of the
    camera brand, or attempts to nitpick universally understood terms.
     
    jfitz, Apr 26, 2005
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  4. Robert Bobb

    james Guest

    I was fortunate enough to attend a middle school that had a camera club.
    There was a certain priest who was apparently quite the worldly sort
    before joining the priesthood, and he was a magnificent photographer.

    Kids would show up with their SLR's, and I must admit I was one of them,
    with my AE-1, and most of us wouldn't think anything of his Leica M2,
    or his old medium reflex cameras (but everybody really dug the Bealieu
    16mm movie camera!)

    But his pictures from that damn Leica were often incredible; some of us
    learned something from that, others didn't.
     
    james, Apr 26, 2005
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  5. Robert Bobb

    jfitz Guest

    In the broadest, and not commonly accepted, sense you are most certainly
    correct.
    Duh!! As with any definition, to clarify the meaning of the term. Few who
    are clicking away with their disposable cameras would consider themselves
    "photographers". In the mind of the masses, and that IS what determines the
    meaning of a word in an active language, to be a "photographer" implies a
    skill and ART above that which the general public is capable of.
     
    jfitz, Apr 26, 2005
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  6. Robert Bobb

    jfitz Guest

    In high school I was, among other duties, the photographer for the school
    paper. The school camera was a Crown Graphic but the Priest who supervised
    the paper had a Leica he had aquired during WWII. I rarely used the Crown
    Graphic, preferring my Kodak Pony 135 or Father Brown's Leica when he deemed
    to loan it out. Father Brown took magnificient photographs, all of Germany,
    which we viewed during his German langauge class. Probably why, even today,
    I have zero desire to visit Europe.
    When the AE-1 was introduced I was sorely tempted, but could not
    economically justify, moving up from my existing equipment. When the A-1
    was introduced I was ready, dumped my manual bodies, and, initially,
    acquired an A-1 with an AE-1 as a backup. I still have that early A-1 body,
    although it has been refurbished, and it still performs as designed.
    For a time, I would have sold my soul for the Super 8 Bealieu. Betamax
    prevented me making that mistake.
    A picture you do not learn from is one you have not really observed.
     
    jfitz, Apr 26, 2005
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  7. Robert Bobb

    JPS Guest

    In message <tvI1e.37706$>,
    It would be nice to have a manual aperture and shutter mode, with
    variable ISO. Even better would be a settable threshold at which you
    would allow the aperture to open up, or the exposure to get longer,
    instead of having ultra-low sensor exposures.
    --
     
    JPS, Apr 26, 2005
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  8. Robert Bobb

    Alan Browne Guest

    That's an evolution of
    http://www.aliasimages.com/CompositionPriority.htm
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 27, 2005
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  9. Robert Bobb

    Skip M Guest

    Does it use SD or CF cards? (The Powershot, not the 20D... <G>)
     
    Skip M, Apr 27, 2005
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  10. Robert Bobb

    james Guest

    Does it use SD or CF cards? (The Powershot, not the 20D... <G>)[/QUOTE]

    Both use CF cards. So I have two cameras and an audio recorder that use
    CF cards and/or microdrives. So I can buy lots of CF cards and it
    won't be a waste. I had a camera and a notebook that took SD cards, and
    I can't stand SD (or that crummy HP camera.)

    Here are my first pictures from the A85. All shot around the same
    location, mostly with slow shutter, handheld shots, some while walking,
    shooting blind from waist level, etc., so don't judge the sharpness
    too harshly. This is my attempt at being artistic, not benchmarking the
    camera:

    http://conservatory.com/photos/A85/20050426/
     
    james, Apr 27, 2005
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    paul Guest

    paul, Apr 27, 2005
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  12. Robert Bobb

    paul Guest

    paul, Apr 27, 2005
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    james Guest

    james, Apr 27, 2005
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  14. Robert Bobb

    james Guest

    I hope I didn't put you off too much by messing up the upload.
    One or two of these images speaks to me, and I would really appreciate
    feedback. I didn't realize anyone would read my message so quickly.
     
    james, Apr 27, 2005
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  15. Robert Bobb

    Skip M Guest

    Both use CF cards. So I have two cameras and an audio recorder that use
    CF cards and/or microdrives. So I can buy lots of CF cards and it
    won't be a waste. I had a camera and a notebook that took SD cards, and
    I can't stand SD (or that crummy HP camera.)

    Here are my first pictures from the A85. All shot around the same
    location, mostly with slow shutter, handheld shots, some while walking,
    shooting blind from waist level, etc., so don't judge the sharpness
    too harshly. This is my attempt at being artistic, not benchmarking the
    camera:

    http://conservatory.com/photos/A85/20050426/[/QUOTE]

    That was my thinking. The point and shoots that I've found attractive all
    seem to use SD cards, and with a pretty good sized inventory of CF cards for
    my DSLRs, that seemed to be a deal breaker. No point in buying a different
    set of cards for another camera if I can avoid it...
     
    Skip M, Apr 27, 2005
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  16. Robert Bobb

    JPS Guest

    In message <>,
    Well, it's not like the existing exposure modes are doing that now, so
    there would be no relative loss without it. Would be nice, though.
    --
     
    JPS, Apr 27, 2005
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