380EX Flashgun

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by rda, Jan 1, 2005.

  1. rda

    rda Guest

    Hi guys, finally my server carries this group :)

    Anyway as mentioned in r.p.d. a friend has asked me to take some photos of
    his wedding. I have told him that I don't have the experience,but he
    Anyway I am thinking of buying a Sigma 20mm 1.8 lens to cope with the low
    light at the location - a heavily shaded waterfall.
    So I was wondering if a Canon 380EX would be powerful enough for fill flash
    from around 20' back.

    I use a Canon 300D/DR

    Also ant good links for tips on wedding photography would be great.

    Thanks and HNY :)
    rda, Jan 1, 2005
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    Home Guest

    Here's a tip:
    Have your friend hire someone who knows what they are doing.
    Home, Jan 2, 2005
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    rda Guest

    Thanks for your help, have a particularly bad Christmas/new year did we ?
    rda, Jan 2, 2005
  4. What "Home" says makes a lot of sense. There have been reports of people
    suing over unsatisfactory wedding pictures - even when taken by friends on
    a "best effort" basis. Avoid it.

    David J Taylor, Jan 2, 2005
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    rda Guest

    I have explained my lack of skill to my friend and he still wants me to take
    the photos. I have approx 4 months to try and learn as much as I can, to
    help do the best job that I can.
    The wedding is going to be a small affair with a maximum of 8 people in

    I know that I am VASTLY out of my depth ( I shoot landscape and other suck
    things that have no opinions), but I am willing to try.
    What I am looking for is some help and guidance to make my best effort, not
    to be told to give it up.

    The guys back at RPD were most helpful with my previous questions, wonder
    why I thought it would be the same here?
    rda, Jan 2, 2005
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    Larry Guest

    I think he is being honest.

    If you are the sole photographer at your friends wedding and the pictures
    dont come out well, he may not be a friend any longer.

    Brides have been known to be really picky about their wedding pictures, and
    they have also been known to have GREAT influence over thier husbands

    It doesn't matter that you warned him.

    Wedding pictures are something you REALLY need a pro for.
    Larry, Jan 2, 2005
  7. rda wrote:
    No-one is telling you to not do it, they are giving you their best advice
    based on their own experience and knowledge which is a recommendation you
    can accept or not.

    Whilst I do agree with their advice, if you must do it I would recommend
    practice, practice and more practice. The last thing you want is to be
    fiddling around with your kit looking for that obscure menu setting. Full
    white and full black make for very difficult exposure, so you may need to
    bracket. Does your camera allow auto-bracketing? Can you practice at
    your local church (get the appropriate permissions!)?

    Do you have the voice and attitude to command the attention and respect of
    those involved? You will be responsible for ensuring that all the
    "required" photos are taken, and in a timely fashion.

    Suppose you break a leg or have to go into hospital the day before?

    Think very carefully before you accept. Give the couple time to get a
    professional photographer in if needed.

    David J Taylor, Jan 2, 2005
  8. rda

    rda Guest

    Thanks, I fully intend to practice. The ceremony will be held outdoors, in
    front of "Alva Falls" as seen on my website. Luckily enough these are only a
    10 minute walk from my house and as such I intend to take 100's of test
    shots in the immediate area.

    I think my main problem will be the whole flash photography thing (I have
    been advised to get up to speed on fill flash), I never use flash and as
    such am daunted by the prospect.
    I have now seen a Sigma 500 DG Super for £110 which is a similar price to
    what I could get a 420EX (550EX is to expensive at around £200)

    Honsestly this is a *really* good friend of mine. He does not want a pro
    photographer who he dosent know at his wedding.If I dont take these photos,
    then there will be no photographer at all (apart from family with P&S) He
    already has assuerd me that he would be happy with snapshots of the happy
    couple in front of the falls. I would like to try and do a bit better than
    this. I am 100% confident that If I totally screw this up then I will be the
    brunt of the evenings jokes, not sued.

    Sorry to have been a bit blunt.
    rda, Jan 2, 2005
  9. rda wrote:
    Quite understood about blunt - better to say what you mean!

    The informal surroundings may reduced the difference between a Pro and a
    good Amateur, and the fact that you're in the UK makes it less likely you
    would be sued. (Is Alva Falls in Scotland?). As it's outdoors, I might
    be inclined to suggest a shaded area and avoid flash as you are so unused
    to it. At least with digital you can check at the time.

    Good luck!

    David J Taylor, Jan 2, 2005
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    rda Guest

    I am hoping to aviod flash if possible, I have just ordered a Sigma 20mm 1.8
    The falls are indeed in Scotland, and just so happen to be in a very shaded
    area. I will try and get my wife to "pose" on the viewing area to take some
    test shots.

    rda, Jan 2, 2005
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    Charles Guest

    Good advise. Over the years I have had several "friends" ask that I do
    the photos at their wedding. I always told them no, get a professional
    wedding photographer. The reason behind why they ask is that they know
    you are a good photographer and want to save money by not paying a
    professional. They will flatter you etc. but what it is about is not
    spending money on a pro wedding photographer. They may say they won't
    hold it agianst you if they don't like your pictures but none should
    believe that.
    Charles, Jan 2, 2005
  12. rda wrote:
    Be careful not to get too close - the perspective that results may not be
    Will the couple be waring traditional black and white? Perhaps get your
    wife to wear something similar. Although I don't use RAW myself, the
    extra headroom which may result could be an advantage. What camera?

    David J Taylor, Jan 2, 2005
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    rda Guest

    I dont think they will be wearing traditional outfits, it is a second
    marriage for both of them.
    My weapon of choice (read pricerange) is a 300D/D Rebel.
    I also have the 18-55, Sigma 50mm 2.8 EX (Great lens, tack sharp) and Canon

    I thougt the 20mm 1.8 would be good for the group shot in front of the falls
    as I thought the 18-55 3.5-4 would struggle.

    rda, Jan 2, 2005
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    Frank ess Guest

    It's true; however I'm getting the impression that's not actually what
    the couple is asking for. If over the next few months the draftee senses
    it *is*, he should refuse the "job". He's going to lose some of the
    friendship in either case, and will be held responsible for either bad
    photography or failure to comply with the couple's request. He gets to
    decide which pain he is willing to endure.

    The couple does not want an outside photographer at the wedding? They
    *do* want deprive their picture-taker friend of the same chance to enjoy
    the wedding the other five guests will have? Seems to me someone has
    been demoted already.

    Were I he, I'd object, and offer to find a compatible photographer,
    suggesting they should trust my judgement, and offering to share the
    cost as a wedding gift.

    No, really; what kind of "friend" puts you in this position. Yup, the
    relationship has changed already. Who knows where it will be by the date
    of the ceremony?

    Good Luck.
    Frank ess, Jan 2, 2005
  15. [Wedding photos]
    Since your friend insist on you taking photos and there being
    no other photographer around at all, how about shanghaiing
    your friend and his bride for a "full dress"[1] rehearsal some
    weeks before the wedding? It'll be no fun for your friends,
    but you'll be able to:
    - work many kinks out
    - know in advance which lenses you'll need where
    - find some good spots for backdrops and how to set up any
    lighting for them (if needed)
    - show your friends some average-to-ugly photos that you
    manage --- on paper, if possible --- and tell them that
    that is the best you can manage, if everything works out
    (weather, camera, batteries, you, ...)
    That way you have at least a chance beforehand to warn them
    off of your quality and shock them beforehand.
    - Additionally they will have something extra to do to to get
    these photos. If they are not in the least interested in
    getting these photos, well, that's their problem.


    PS: make clear beforehand that you'll not show them any bad
    photos from the wedding, and that may mean _no_ photos.
    (imagine your camera being violently ill on shooting.
    No usable photos. What then?
    I'd say: better no photos than bad ones.)

    [1] i.e. these two in whatever they want to appear at the wedding,
    or as close to it as possible, on a day with 'typical'
    weather for the spot.
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 2, 2005
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    Andrew Haley, Nov 4, 2005
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