50x and 60x zoom cameras

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alfred Molon, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
    It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
    now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
    date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a
    That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
    fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
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  2. Alfred Molon

    Mort Guest

    That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
    still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
    rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
    music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
    devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in the
    realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly surprised.

    Good luck.

    Mort Linder
    Mort, Jan 15, 2014
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  3. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
    pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
    hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
    a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

    Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/IMG_0079w.jpg >
    ....and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
    < https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/HRO -Pix/DSCN2716.JPG >
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  4. Alfred Molon

    David Taylor Guest

    On 14/01/2014 21:16, Savageduck wrote:
    Even with digital photography, getting the exposure right in the camera
    is worthwhile doing, even if you choose to use RAW rather than JPEG.
    Getting the framing right may teach one something about composition -
    and here using the iPad is an interesting experience. I try to minimise
    post-processing, but I do use it when needed. With the camera set
    correctly, I find that sharpening, white balance and saturation very
    rarely need adjustment. I happen /not/ to use a particular over-priced
    brand of software. I prefer to enjoy the images rather than spend ages
    fiddling with them on the computer.

    As you know, I'm not into "art" photography.

    Oh, and I have used a wet darkroom in the past and processed my own
    monochrome film and prints, and have no wish to go back to one, thanks.
    David Taylor, Jan 15, 2014
  5. Alfred Molon

    J. Clarke Guest

    You've just got to find some sweet young thing who's kinky for aulde
    fartes with cameras. If you find one see if she has a sister . . .
    J. Clarke, Jan 15, 2014
  6. Alfred Molon

    J. Clarke Guest

    As an afterthought, this is one area where digital is not better. I
    remember one of my fellow students in high school started dating this
    girl who everybody thought was way out of his league (he looked like
    Woody Allen, she looked like Diana Rigg). He explained to her that he
    was standing outside the school darkroom with his camera when she walked
    by. He snapped a photo of her, she noticed and commented, he invited
    her into the darkroom to see how it came out. At some point the photo
    got developed and printed. What else happened in the darkroom he left
    to our imaginations but obviously she found it to be acceptable.

    She didn't marry him but she did marry another photographer.
    J. Clarke, Jan 15, 2014
  7. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    Now that is chemistry for you. ;-)

    There us a lot to be said for chemistry, it gave me 30 years with my
    wife who was way out of my league. I thought of her as being an Audrey
    Hepburn type. I was lucky.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Sue_Ac2.jpg >
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  8. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    If I do you will be the first to know.
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  9. Alfred Molon

    Tony Cooper Guest

    There's an implication - even if not intended - in your statement that
    those of us who do engage in post-processing using that brand of
    software are not making a significant enough effort to "get it right
    in camera".

    What is "right" often depends on the conditions. While I seldom do
    landscape photography, I find that it is easy to "get it right in
    camera" when the scene is relatively non-specific and non-moving. If
    there was a mountain to photograph in Florida, I could take the time
    to adjust the settings and frame the photograph and get it right in
    camera. There are other scenes in which that preparation is not as

    One of the major advantages of that software is that it can be used to
    overcome conditions wherein getting it right in camera is impossible.
    You can't move some objects to reduce shadows, but you can bring out
    details in post that the camera captures in shadow.

    I spend a lot of time in post, but I think that this allows me to make
    better photographs when the conditions in which I took the photo would
    not allow improvement in-camera.
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. A photograph that is
    well-composed and taken with the right settings, but not adjusted in
    post, is just as much "art" - bad or good - as any other photograph.

    Is your meaning that "art" photos are those that excessively adjusted
    in post? If so, that's a very limited view of "art".
    Tony Cooper, Jan 15, 2014
  10. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    There is always the question; "What is right in-camera?"
    ....and even with landscapes it is not that simple as many cameras have
    different characteristics which can disappoint and frustrate even when
    you might believe you have it "right in camera".
    Sometimes you have to anticipate that the digital "in camera settings"
    might not meet your expectations for what might be produced with
    in-camera settings with film/slide.
    ....and while I know you do not particularly care for HDR, there is a
    time to anticipate the problem and shoot an exposure bracket.
    With this example there is a three shot bracket -1, 0, +1 and the
    resulting HDR. I could not get a decent image from any of the
    individual exposures, with post & HDR I was able to produce something
    reasonably acceptable.
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7bbj1se/rx6Zj1hc3M/Shared Images/Yosemite/Tioga-Olmstead
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  11. Alfred Molon

    David Taylor Guest

    On 15/01/2014 15:54, Tony Cooper wrote:
    Not intended, but you should certainly make some effort to avoid major
    exposure errors which cannot subsequently be corrected.
    I prefer not to spend a lot of time in post-processing. Different folk,
    different needs.
    My photos are mostly a memory aid for myself - if they happen to please
    other people, that's an added advantage. Making master pieces is not my
    David Taylor, Jan 15, 2014
  12. Alfred Molon

    David Taylor Guest

    On 15/01/2014 16:29, Savageduck wrote:

    I don't care particularly for many of the examples of HDR which have
    been touted round. Far too gaudy and unrealistic for my taste.
    However, I do find myself using the HDR mode a lot with the iPad, and to
    an extent with the Sony HX200V as well. The results are an improvement
    particularly with highlights on the iPad. With the Nikon it's almost
    always in its extended dynamic range mode.

    (For the photo above, your edit-2 is further than I would have gone.)
    David Taylor, Jan 15, 2014
  13. Alfred Molon

    PeterN Guest

    Leading to the further question: "What is right?"

    PeterN, Jan 15, 2014
  14. Alfred Molon

    sid Guest

    I don't know if that is because of some limitation with your PP software, I
    could recommend something decent for you if you like.
    A gratuitous use of hdr IMO, the trees are much too bright, makes it look
    unnatural. I can see the value of hdr in some circumstances, but this isn't
    one. A more pleasant less eye scorching version can quite happily be made
    just using your mid exposure

    sid, Jan 15, 2014
  15. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    I guess I stepped on that a bit too much. ;-)

    I have added the HDR as it was generated via NIK HDR Efex
    (DSC1119_HDR_1-1), and the first edit of that (DSC1119_HDR_1-Edit-1) to
    the same DB folder.
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  16. Alfred Molon

    Savageduck Guest

    I know! I know!
    Haven't we ground that disagreement to dust yet? ;-)
    Nice try, but not quite the representation of the scene I would have
    got to from working on the mid-exposure with any of the software I
    usually use. You might check the unedited HDR I have added to the DB

    Here is a comparison of the non-HDR mid-exposure with a fix I made in
    LR5, with no plug-ins or filters used.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_529.jpg >
    tolerable, but not quite right.
    Savageduck, Jan 15, 2014
  17. Alfred Molon

    Tony Cooper Guest

    We all do what pleases us, but striving for better - if not exactly a
    masterpiece - is what drives us to improve.
    Tony Cooper, Jan 16, 2014
  18. Alfred Molon

    David Taylor Guest

    On 16/01/2014 02:50, Tony Cooper wrote:
    I accept that, but there is also knowing when to stop trying to improve!

    I know that I could get better quality, better timed telephoto images by
    getting a nice Nikon telephoto lens and perhaps Tele-Converter, but in
    practice they would be far too heavy for me to carry round. I also know
    that there are times when I want more zoom than the 300 mm equivalent
    (from the 18-200 mm) or the 450 mm equivalent (/if/ I have the 70-300 mm
    with me - more weight), and hence I got the Sony HX200V with its "27-810
    mm" lens. For casual photography, that's now what I take (because of
    its size and weight) if I feel the need for more than the iPad. On
    holiday I'll take more kit, but to carry round likely just the DSLR with
    10-24 and 18-200 mm lenses. For distant shots such as approaching a
    port, it's the Sony "810 mm" which usually see a little more detail.
    David Taylor, Jan 16, 2014
  19. Alfred Molon

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I clicked to your webpage (as shown in your sig line) and navigated to
    your photos. Selecting just one for comment, 2012-09-06-1232-05 De
    Rijp, is very well done. No need for anything more in post unless
    someone wants to give it that hideous postcard HDR look.

    My only criticism is that getting to an actual photo requires so damn
    many clicks! Only a software developer would think that that many
    clicks to navigate to a page is the way to go.

    Saw your photo, too. Did you visit The Netherlands to check to see if
    stork nests would impede your December deliveries?
    Tony Cooper, Jan 16, 2014
  20. Alfred Molon

    David Taylor Guest

    On 16/01/2014 08:55, Tony Cooper wrote:
    Tony, I did give a direct link in my earlier post:


    I only counted three clicks to get to the Netherlands visit, and one
    more to get to the Album. I'm sure you think it's worth "so many damn
    clicks"! <G> The photo album was created with the JAlbum software.

    Thanks for your comments on the photo. Checking here, that was without
    the Sony HDR setting, but with -0.3 stops exposure compensation.

    Thank goodness Christmas is over - the travelling gets a little tiring
    even with the helpers! Can put the red outfit away for another year!
    David Taylor, Jan 16, 2014
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