6 people talking on convention floor at DNC...

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by soundsteve, Aug 23, 2008.

  1. soundsteve

    soundsteve Guest

    Hi Everyone, I'm looking for some ideas and insight on a shoot I have
    Monday. It will be 4 to 6 people talking on the convention floor of
    the Pepsi Center during the day. Two cams handheld and unscripted.
    It is to tape so I can retake or wait if something is really over-
    the-top loud, but I'm wondering what mic approach I should use. I'm
    guessing two split booms are totally out of the question so I'm
    thinking I'll tight lav everybody and run them into two linked
    FP-410's and let the automix do its thing. I have to hardwire
    everything because of wireless restrictions inside the venue. PITA...
    Does anyone with lots of convention experience think lavs in the tie
    knot or just below will cut it?
    Does a boom even have a ghost of a chance in there?
    I don't know how loud it is during the daytime speeches etc. and also
    if there are any gaps between...
    Please let me know what has worked for you in the past if it's even
    remotely similar...
     
    soundsteve, Aug 23, 2008
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    Bill Fright Guest

    If these are stand up interviews I'd recommend a RE50 right under but in
    front of the chin and back up with shotgun. Have your trained
    interviewer hold the mic under their chin if you are using one. I like
    the 50 because you can practically have fire crackers going off all
    around your subject and still get legible audio.

    If you're doing these 4 to 6 folks all together I'd hand them each a 50
    and teach them how critical mic placement is. Teach them a simple hand
    signal in case they let the mic drop too low. Bring a good audio board
    and mix it live. Don't use auto mix. You probably should hire a great
    audio guy.

    Good luck,
    Bill
     
    Bill Fright, Aug 23, 2008
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    blackburst Guest

    I worked the DNC four years ago. No type of stick mic was really
    effective, given the ambient noise. We tried cardiod lavs, but they,
    too, were often overpowered. Using the tried and true ACAP audio
    theory (as close as possible to the sound source), we rented a bunch
    of those little mics that go over the ear and extend on a small shaft
    to the mouth (model info forgotten) and they worked. Not the best
    audio ever, but definitely broadcast quality. They looked like crap
    and both talent and directors hated them, but any port in a storm. I
    also like the idea of using a Shure automatic mixer to attenuate all
    mics except the one being used at that moment.

    I'm sure you're savvy enough to maneuver people into the quietest
    available area...
     
    blackburst, Aug 24, 2008
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  4. soundsteve

    Bill Fright Guest


    I respectively disagree with parts of the above.

    The countryman (we call them Brittany Spears mics with sarcasm) won't be
    used by a lot of folks I shoot. It creates the desire for them to itch
    the ear and usually dislodges the whole bit. OTOH some people really
    like them and it certainly keeps the vocal on center when they turn
    their head. It also frees the hands.

    However, we're talking loud ambient environments. The countryman mic
    does poorly in those conditions. I'd simply sell it as diaphragm size.
    Tiny diaphragms don't handle huge ambients well.

    As far as coaching talent to hold a mic I've had pretty good results.
    The first thing to tell the talent is that if they want to be heard they
    have to hold the mic just below and in front of the chin. Show them and
    make them show you. Tell them they absolutely will not be heard with any
    deviation.

    The worst scenarios I've ever had with huge ambients is track side drag
    racing. Huge padding and a 50 was the only way we could make it work. My
    audio guy has those custom fitted ear plugs and wears ear muffs over
    them while we shoot. In edit I was stunned with how good the results
    were. He also does some stuff that I don't know about which is why I'm
    not primarily an audio guy.
     
    Bill Fright, Aug 25, 2008
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    SlaesGuru Guest

    Anyone catch Morning Joe on MSNBC Monday morning?
    They shot in a restaurant and it was the WORST audio I ever heard
    Everyone had a lav, omni I assume.

    Today they all had noice-cancelling headset mikes and guess what?
    It worked. You could actually hear the conversations.
     
    SlaesGuru, Aug 26, 2008
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    blackburst Guest

    This is the point I was making, above. From EXPERIENCE in the same
    venue, the DNC, we tried sticks, lavs and various other miking
    schemes, but only the ear-mount mics we rented on the second day
    worked. Watch convention coverage now: virtually everyone is using
    them.
     
    blackburst, Aug 27, 2008
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