A few ?'s about the Canon EOS 10D for a new buyer

Discussion in 'Canon' started by j, Sep 3, 2003.

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    j Guest

    Hi all,

    After thinking along the lines these last few months of buying a Canon G3, then
    G5 digital camera we are finally in a position to purchase something.

    Well, after my wife said the other night "Why don't we get one of these?",
    pointing to the 10D I thought why not? She wasn't that worried about the extra
    $'s. So looks like a good thing.

    Anyways, so I haven't paid too much attention to this camera & its threads. One
    by Admiral in the bigpond group after he got his way back when, had sort of
    stuck in my mind but.

    So a few ?'s that are probably very obvious to most people but leaving me a bit
    miffed still:

    The price as listed by most in the $2500-$3200 range list an identical boxed
    package. Reading thru the info I am confused to whether a lense is included or
    not? Yes, I understand that all these list them as 'body only', but why, even
    the Canon site, show the product fitted with a lense?

    So if no lense in the box, what is a good lense to purchase at the same time?
    And expected price? I can understand that this is a system that handles many
    different sort of lenses, however, giving that our level of photography
    experience is not great there is not much need to be given a list containing
    several 'must-have' lenses for several different, very-specific categories.

    So is there a 'general-purpose' lense that will do a good job of most
    circumstances?

    Over the last few days I have visited the following sites, in no particular
    order:

    www.camerahouse.com.au
    camera.centre.net.au
    www.digitalcity.net.au
    www.dirtcheapcameras.com.au
    www.canon.com.au

    I checked out ebay.com.au, but only saw a couple of 'buy in Aust, ship from
    Hong Kong' sellers. Having read a bit in here it seems like these situations
    are best avoided? A warranty honoured/supported by Canon Australia would be
    part of the buying decision.

    Any other sites worth looking at for the 'online shopping' experience? Or any
    to avoid??

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

    Cheers.
     
    j, Sep 3, 2003
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    max morrison Guest

    max morrison, Sep 3, 2003
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    woodsie Guest

    if your experience is 'not great'....wouldn't you be better offer with a
    cheaper consumer product to learn of?
     
    woodsie, Sep 3, 2003
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    Ken Guest

    Canon themselves don't, as far as I know, do a 10D package that has a lens
    included however there is nothing to stop a dealer from creating their own
    bundle/package deal.
    a) So it looks like a camera?
    b) Because they forgot to take photos of the body only? ;-)

    I really don't know ... I see how it can be confusing/misleading to the
    unsuspecting buyer though.
    The G3 and G5 that you were looking at cover an equivalent focal length of
    35-140. If you are happy with this range the "EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM"
    is a good lens with a good range for reasonable $$$. Because of the 1.6x
    FOV crop the 28-135 lens works out to equivalent 45-216. 44 isn't really
    great if you want a wide field of view, but wide angles mean bigger $$ if
    you need 'em, on the plus side you get a longer telephoto. The 28-135 sells
    for $822 on dirtcheapcameras.com.

    The 24-70 f2.8L is a wonderful lens which will give you something wider at
    the short end, but the dollars are up there with the cost of the actual
    camera. (DCC: $2497.35)

    Perhaps someone else can give some pros and cons of the more economical
    standard zooms like the 'EF 28-105mm f/4-5.6 USM' (DCC: $298.58) or 'EF
    24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM' (DCC: $699)
    Unfortunately with the 10D the 1.6x FOV crop multiplies the effective focal
    length or 'zoom' of lenses. The 1.6x makes obtaining the wide angle of
    around ~28mm, economically available on film bodies quite a hit to the
    wallet for digital. A general purpose "standard lens" is normally around
    the 28-90 range.
    I have only experienced and read good things about dirtcheapcameras. Not on
    the sales side, but well worth a visit is: www.dpreview.com for reviews and
    user opinions on your prospective digi-cam purchase.
    Hope some info was useful to you.

    If you think you would like an affordable wide angle and you don't need all
    the functions of the 10D you might like to have a look at the EOS 300D which
    is available with a 18-55 lens (equivalent: 29-88). The 300D is pegged to
    ship 'soon'. Just thought I'd add another option to aid the confusion.

    Regards, Ken
     
    Ken, Sep 3, 2003
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    Scott Coutts Guest

    For the simple fact that a product shot of a camera looks nicer with
    a lens attached than with a big hole in the front :)
    No, there is certainly no lens in the box. Even if you buy it with a
    lens, it will come as a seperate box just as though you'd bought it
    seperately.
    Well, for this you need to tell us more about what you like to
    shoot. There are many, many lenses and many that could be
    recommended depending on what you want to shoot. Also, are you more
    concerned about price or quality?
    Well, that varies a lot so you just have to look around for the best
    price.
    Maybe the 28-135. This gives you a good zoom range and is an OK
    consumer lens. It is also stabilised. It's a bit more expensive than
    others that are available for this reason.

    You can get the 28-105 but this is a cheaper quality lens.

    If you dont mind changing lenses, then the 50mm f/1.8 is very sharp,
    fast and cheap.

    It's hard to recommend something without knowing what kind of shots
    you're interested in and how much you're expecting to pay.
    Never tested it myself, but I've heard reports that canon will
    honour the warranty. You can still pay to have them fixed if all
    else fails.
    All of the above ones are fine.
     
    Scott Coutts, Sep 3, 2003
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    Scott Coutts Guest

    Yes, I'd recommend this rather than a 10D if you're new to slrs and
    if you can wait.
     
    Scott Coutts, Sep 3, 2003
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    You may also have a look at EF28-200/3.5-5.6 USM. I have had it for 2
    years,
    and for what it is it's a great lens. A bit bulky, but gives quite a lot of
    flexibility in terms of range it provides.

    If you're interested to see what the resolution on this lens is like, shoot
    me
    an email, I'll give you a link to a couple of full-size 6mpx snapshots of
    the
    Melbourne CBD taken from 31st floor (admittedly, through dirty glass
    window) :)

    SY,
     
    Dmitri Kalintsev, Sep 3, 2003
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    lambo Guest


    Its going to be at least a $5K investment ( with a usable lens or two)
    and then if your not willing to spend many hours playing ( experimenting )
    with the features of the 10D and then post processing images in
    photoshop then you may well be very disappointed with the shots you
    get when using auto mode.

    General purpose lens would be the 28-135 IS

    Buying from an AUS shop is your only option for AUS warranty.

    You could always get the G(whatever) and then wait a couple of years
    for them to develop their image sensor / in camera processing
    technology a bit more :cool:


    dave.l
     
    lambo, Sep 4, 2003
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    j Guest


    Thanks for the informative feedback people. The talk about the lenses is great,
    gives me a clearer path of where to from here.

    Cheers.
     
    j, Sep 4, 2003
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    reg-john Guest

    I just got a 10D. I had a 24mm 2.8 perviously, and got the cheapo (from
    dirtcheap) 50mm 1.8. I plan to get another 6 grands worth of lenses over the
    next few months. Its a great camera, Ive only had it since monday and the
    clarity is impressive from the two primes I have. If you want to be serious
    about taking photos, and cant justify the price of a 1D or 1Ds, then 10D
    would be the way to go. Im sure most will agree its fairly close to a pro
    camera, and for anyone bar sports photographers or those needing a 12mp res,
    its a good camera. youll grow into it, rather than out of it. the amount of
    possibilities compared to a consumer digicam are amazing, like the fairly
    noisefree ISO settings and the usual SLR features. it just makes things
    easier and more efficient. If you have the cash, I'd go for it, but you want
    to do it jsutice by buying quality lenses. getting the cheap midranges and
    zooms after spending 3 grand on the body will jsut be irritating.

    anyway, who can tell i love the 10D :)
     
    reg-john, Sep 4, 2003
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    puan Guest

    Others here may disagree but I can only relate my own experiences in
    digital. Check out the review of the 300d at www.dpreview.com which is
    close to the 10d in a cheaper body . It also has a new lens especially
    made for the 300d which is a 'general purpose lens' plus the 'F E'
    line is also compatible. It is more prudent to go for the digital slr
    than a high - end prosumer camera because , believe me , you will soon
    want to upgrade once you catch the bug.When you try to sell your old
    camera you will find that you will be lucky to get half what you paid
    for it. Though this can now be said of film cameras nowadays.
    eric phillips
     
    puan, Sep 5, 2003
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  12. One thing to remember about digital - still a long way to go to catch
    up with film for quality prints.

    Of course this may not worry you at all.

    (Not trolling - just from my experience).
     
    Flatulant Dingo, Sep 8, 2003
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    VH-ADG Guest

    Hmmm.. I don't know if I agree with that ... certainly in the 8x10 prints
    that I have here I don't think you can differentiate between film & digital
    ...

    although I may not have a very good eye for that stuff :eek:)
     
    VH-ADG, Sep 8, 2003
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  14. digital

    I have a big ???? on that one too, as the digital 30x20 inch prints that I
    have an my wall look way better than the 35mm film ones beside them.
     
    AU Digital Photo Of The Day, Sep 8, 2003
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    Andrew Mc Guest

    I guess the question is how was the 35mm film printed. Was it scanned and then
    printed? If so, how was it scanned? We sometimes forget that this additional
    step is a big part of producing a print (assuming that it was scanned, here, btw
    ;). Otherwise, what type of film was it printed off? It's one of the great
    advantages of digital that the file you have out of the camera is exactly the
    same as the one sitting on your hard disk.
     
    Andrew Mc, Sep 9, 2003
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  16. Fuji 100 Neg traditionally printed.
     
    AU Digital Photo Of The Day, Sep 9, 2003
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