A3 Printers

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by Duncan, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Duncan

    Duncan Guest

    I have been reading the thread about A3 printers having been happy with the
    Epson and HP printers in the past. I had problems with the Epson 1290 and
    was consigned to the box. However now I'm looking to use it again for
    general printing and wondered if anyone had success with continuous ink
    systems (CIS) for the model ?

    I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson
    R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had
    with new cartridges?

    I trying to work out a price per print for the near £100 cost on a full set
    of carts! TIA D
     
    Duncan, Jan 20, 2008
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  2. Hate to put it like this, but the R2400 is in the realm of "if you have
    to ask, you can't afford it". I run one at work and have given up trying
    to keep track of the costs. I only average the equivalent of three or
    four A4 sheets a day through it, but it's almost continually flashing to
    say that one cartridge or another's running out.
    If I had to take a wild guess at the costs, I'd say around 2 pounds per
    A4 print (on it's highest quality settings).
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Jan 21, 2008
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  3. That's a pretty wild guess! My guess would be about a quarter of
    that, or 50p for A4, and around £1 for A3.

    The important thing with an R2400 is to print at least one A4 every
    day to be sure to avoid clogging the print heads.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 21, 2008
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  4. Well I won't deny that...
    No way, not for photographic images that cover the whole sheet, that's
    an even wilder guess than mine! Or are you using third party inks and/or
    papers?
    I've never had that problem with the R2400. Again, are you using third
    party inks? The only time I've ever experienced clogged heads on an
    Epson was when I used Lyson inks on a 1520. Since then I've run a 700,
    1270 and the R2400 on genuine Epson inks with no problems at all.
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Jan 21, 2008
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  5. No, I buy Epson inks and mostly use Epson papers.

    No, my mistake. I meant to say one A4 every *week*. Sorry!

    Many amateurs leave an Epson printer unused for 3-4 weeks and expect
    it to work. Chances are, it will clog. Print an A4 once a week and
    you are much less likely to have a problem.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 21, 2008
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  6. Duncan

    Owen Rees Guest

    Epson's web page says: INK CARTRIDGES CAPACITY Black: 640 A4pages @ 3.5%
    coverage, Colour: 520 A4pages @ 5% coverage.

    If you a printing A3 sized images in colour then you would be looking at
    twice the area and near 100% coverage so 520/40 = 13 full colour A3
    pages would be the sort of number to expect.

    The equivalent HP printer would be the Photosmart Pro B9180 and HP
    claims approx 85 330x483 (A3+) photos according to the page yield web
    page (uk version):
    <http://h10060.www1.hp.com/pageyield/uk/en/PSPB9180/photo.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_UKEN>.
    The full set of 8 ink cartidges will set you back nearly £130 at Amazon
    prices as far as I can tell.

    If you just want an A3 printer but not the full graphic arts industry
    product complete with ICC colour profiles then there are cheaper models.
     
    Owen Rees, Jan 21, 2008
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  7. Nonsense. 100% is putting solid ink of each colour on the paper, so
    it is far too high. 5% is very low, the truth lies in between, but it
    will certainly be closer to 5% than 100%.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 21, 2008
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  8. Duncan

    Trev Guest

    I dont want big white holes in my Photos so I vote for 100% of the page
    filled with ink
     
    Trev, Jan 21, 2008
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  9. Vote for what you like, because you haven't the faintest idea what you
    are talking about.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 22, 2008
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  10. Duncan

    Owen Rees Guest

    The problem here is the meaninglessness of the "5%" figure. 5% of what?

    Epson do publish ISO 24711 page yield figures for some of their
    printers, but I have not found such figures for the R2400.

    HP publish page yield figures both for the ISO 24711 test set and for
    photos of quoted sizes. In the absence of information to the contrary, I
    would expect the ISO-test:photo ink consumption ratio to be similar for
    other brands of printer on the basis that the most significant factor
    will be the area printed.

    HP's figures work out at a factor of over 10 difference in number of
    pages between full A4 page photos and the ISO test pages (which are
    intended to be like typical text+graphics business documents as far as I
    can see).

    Since the original question was about an A3 capable printer and this is
    a photo group I am making a wild guess that the nubmer required is for
    printing A3 size photos and my first approximation would be to find the
    ISO 24711 number and divide by 20 based on the double area and ISO:photo
    ratio.
     
    Owen Rees, Jan 23, 2008
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  11. The above posting appears designed to inform us how clever the poster
    is, but tells us absolutely nothing about the issue being discussed.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 23, 2008
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  12. Duncan

    Duncan Guest

    Thank you for all your replies.

    I realise that using the printer daily will help save the clogging and the
    cleaning of the heads with inks costs associated with it.

    Also I realise that inks will be consumed at varying rates dependant on the
    image printed. But from what I can glean from all of the comments an A3
    print will costs around £1 per print plus the same for paper using original
    manufacture inks and quality papers.

    Given a unit purchase price of around £400 and I budget £1 per print to run
    the printer for the first 400 prints, £3 per print reducing to £2 per print
    seems pretty reasonable.
     
    Duncan, Jan 24, 2008
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  13. You're welcome. You don't need to print daily - I made a mistake when
    posting that. Once a week should be enough.

    By concentrating on cost of ink and problems with blocked print heads
    we missed an important point: I haven't yet found a printer that
    produces better results than the Epson R2400 on Epson paper.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 24, 2008
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  14. I'll go along with that.

    Incidentally, there is one thing about the R2400 which drives me up the
    wall. Matt or gloss papers use different black cartridges, sharing the
    same slot. This means you have to swap cartridges every time you change
    to the other type of paper. This is a pain in itself, but made worse by
    the printer driver's reluctance to update itself once you've made the
    change. You can spend ages clicking through the settings trying to wake
    it up while it refuses to list the paper type you want.
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Jan 24, 2008
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  15. Duncan

    Rob Morley Guest

    That's a design feature to encourage you to buy a separate printer for
    each paper type. :)
     
    Rob Morley, Jan 24, 2008
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  16. I agree. Because of that, I decided to use only gloss paper.

    It suits most of what I do, but there are times when I wish I had the
    option to use matt without going through the whole rigmarole.
     
    The Good Doctor, Jan 24, 2008
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