Adobe must be hurting for money

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Rich, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. Rich

    Rich Guest

    I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing
    perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being
    in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system.

    http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/adobe-creative-cloud-and-
    adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

    For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will
    continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite
    editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing
    our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade
    pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version
    of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not
    yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31,
    2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.
     
    Rich, Nov 16, 2011
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  2. Rich

    Charles Guest

    "Rich" wrote in message

    I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing
    perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being
    in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system.

    http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/adobe-creative-cloud-and-
    adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

    For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will
    continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite
    editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing
    our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade
    pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version
    of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not
    yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31,
    2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.

    http://performance.morningstar.com/stock/performance-return.action?region=USA&t=ADBE

    They seem to be managing the ugly dip around 2008.

    I fell behind with Photoshop updates and was sad to see that it would cost
    me a LOT to catch up.

    As an individual who uses Photoshop only occasionally to actually earn
    money, I have to be careful as to how much I spend on updates. Adobe has
    missed out on some revenue from folks like me. The software is great but
    their consumer base is multi-tiered. I would never go for Creative Suite,
    as it is more than I could ever use.

    Yeah, I know, use "Essentials" but that is not an answer for a serious
    amateur photograher who also, once in a while, does something at the
    professional level.

    I probably will never buy into cloud software for something like Photoshop.
    For other apps, maybe.
     
    Charles, Nov 16, 2011
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  3. Rich

    PeterN Guest


    I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented.
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2011
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  4. Rich

    N Guest

    I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product.
     
    N, Nov 17, 2011
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  5. Rich

    RichA Guest

    Maybe you could jump from other versions to CS 6 on their previous
    pricing scheme by just paying an upgrade fee? Now, you need to be on
    CS 5 to do that. Otherwise, you'll pay the full price for CS 6 if you
    move from a version below CS 5. That's what it looks like.
     
    RichA, Nov 17, 2011
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  6. Rich

    Bruce Guest


    Yes, that's exactly what it looks like. You used to be able to buy
    the same upgrade from two or three versions earlier, but now it will
    only be from the immediately previous version. A first time user
    could buy the current version more cheaply by buying an earlier
    version at a discounted price then buying the upgrade.

    Excellent choice of subject line. ;-)
     
    Bruce, Nov 17, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2011
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  8. Rich

    Alan Browne Guest

    Don't agree. One can do their entire editing flow within Lightroom
    without a separate photo editor. It does 99% of what photographers need
    to edit and present or print a photo as a photo.

    Bridge needs a photo editor (any photo editor will do).

    I agree that Bridge would be a fine standalone product using other
    editors such as Elements (which has its own "minor Bridge"), The Gimp,
    and so on.
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 17, 2011
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  9. Rich

    PeterN Guest

    LIghtroom is Bridge on steroids. There is little you can do in
    Lightroom that you can't do in Bridge and ACR, except possibly soft
    proofing.
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2011
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  10. Rich

    PeterN Guest

    See above. You can do a lot of editing in ACR, it just is a tad more kludgy.
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2011
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  11. Rich

    PeterN Guest

    I read very well. Exactly how do that lead you to the conclusion that
    Adobe is hurting for money?
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2011
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  12. Rich

    PeterN Guest

    I would have bet YOU would say that. When a company is hurting for
    money, they don't make it financially more difficult to upgrade. They
    seek wider distribution at lower prices.
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2011
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  13. Rich

    Savageduck Guest

    It is time for you to calibrate your hyperbole meter. ;-)

    While you are correct in stating that Bridge needs a photo editor, and
    for RAW processing requires the intermediary ACR, all the other
    features of LR are shared.

    "Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
    catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
    comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
    that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
    one and the same.
    ....even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2011
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  14. Does that mean Lightroom is as slow as bridge as a photo browser?
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Nov 17, 2011
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  15. Indeed - they canned doing flash for mobile phones.

    Crapple helped them out the door unfortunately...
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Nov 17, 2011
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  16. Rich

    Savageduck Guest

    I didn't think that was what we were discussing here.

    I haven't found either one to be particularly slow on my Macs. I guess
    that depends on what you are looking for in a "Photo browser".

    All I can say is before making the upgrade to CS5 and the current
    generation of Bridge, I avoided using earlier versions, having found
    them a total PIA.
    I used LR & LR2 along with Photoshop by-passing Bridge all together.
    Since upgrading to CS5 I have had little need to use my LR2. After
    taking a look at LR3 I have less reason to upgrade since Bridge is much
    improved and does all I need as a path from my image files, RAW or
    JPEG, sometimes via ACR to CS5.

    If all I want to do is view a bunch of images I use Preview.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2011
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  17. It wasn't. This is that "topic drift" thing. What was said seemed to
    imply something that I was wondering about (I've been considering trying
    Lightroom; though the recent Adobe upgrade policy change has made me
    much less interested in letting any of my money reach them that I can
    avoid).
    Well, I'm currently using Photo Mechanic to sort and tag (and rename,
    these days) new batches of photos. That deals with piles of raw format
    images pretty much instantly. Bridge in some earlier version and Thumbs
    Plus and whatever else I tried were hopelessly slow.
    Yeah, me too. I do have CS5 now, but am not in the habit of opening
    Bridge.
    I'm always at least theoretically interested in reducing the number of
    pieces of software I use.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Nov 17, 2011
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  18. Rich

    Savageduck Guest

    Since you own CS5 you might want to explore Bridge CS5 and Mini-Bridge
    before committing your $$$ to Adobe for LR3. All functions are
    duplicated, but are a little prettier.
     
    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2011
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    Charles Guest

    "PeterN" wrote in message


    I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented.

    Actually, it is one of his better posts.
     
    Charles, Nov 17, 2011
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  20. Rich

    N Guest

    HTML5 makes Flash obsolete.
     
    N, Nov 18, 2011
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