Adobe RGB (1998) or sRGB IEC61966-2.1 in my Nikon DSLR?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Stealth, Mar 28, 2005.

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    Stealth Guest

    Can someone please explain to me (in simple terms) the pros and cons of
    setting my Nikon DSLR to either the Adobe RGB (1998) or the sRGB
    IEC61966-2.1 color space in my Nikon DSLR?

    I've heard that one of them has more color range/depth.

    Which is better and why?

    Stealth, Mar 28, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    I'd select the sRGB due to the ever increasing number of devices that
    support this. Many digital wet-printers work in this color space, as
    do the latest LCD monitors. Each color space has it's pros and cons,
    but sRGB is *THE* standard that has emerged out of the quagmire, and
    for that reason alone, would be my choice.

    Here is a discussion on the differences, and when you should switch:

    (Also a really bad example of when to use GIF files for web graphics)
    Owamanga, Mar 28, 2005
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    Can someone please explain to me (in simple terms) the pros and cons
    If you're shooting RAW (NEF I guess is Nikon's term) it doesn't matter
    since this is ignored and you define the working space at the time you
    do RAW conversion. If you're shooting jpegs then it will get assigned
    when you shoot.
    AdobeRGB has a wider gamut (range of colors), both have the same bit
    sRGB is better if you are printing with on-line shops or Wal-Mart or
    Costco type stores using the Fuji Frontier type printers. sRGB is
    better if you are shooting mainly for the web. sRGB is better if using
    a non-color managed workflow or using a consumer editor like Paint Shop
    Pro (which, AFAIK, doesn't recognize other working spaces). AdobeRGB
    is better if you are printing on the top of the line inkjets or high
    end laser printers like the LightJet or Chromira. So it depends on how
    you're using the files ... I shoot about 80% AdobeRGB and 20% in even
    wider working spaces like Ektaspace and never convert directly to sRGB
    (I just convert-to-profile later in the flow in Photoshop if I need a
    jpeg for the web), but I'm not printing at Wal-Mart ...

    Bill Hilton, Mar 28, 2005
  4. Adobe RGB has a larger gamut and a superior color space.
    It is also the standard for professional printing. So ...
    it might seem like a good idea to use Adobe RGB.

    But - most devices in your home - e.g. your printer, your
    screen and also all cheaper cameras support sRGB. Some
    photo software may also only support sRGB. I also think, but
    I am not sure, that photo shops also assumes sRGB. So ... it
    might seem like a good idea to use sRGB.


    Life is difficult sometimes.

    Roland Karlsson, Mar 28, 2005
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    Marco Guest

    I shoot with D1X and in RAW so my choice is strictly Adobe RGB. Use
    professional printing or Epson 2100/4000

    Marco, Mar 28, 2005
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    Scott W Guest

    Scott W, Mar 28, 2005
  7. Kodachrome 64, bubba!
    uraniumcommittee, Mar 28, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    Marco, where do you get professional wet-prints made in Adobe RGB?

    From what I've seen, everyone seems to be using sRGB.
    Owamanga, Mar 28, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    Cardboard or plastic mount?
    Owamanga, Mar 28, 2005
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    Owamanga writes ...
    Any pro lab with a LightJet or Chromira, like Calypso or Laser Light or
    West Coast Imaging, or with a high end inkjet like the Epson 9600.
    They expect the files to be in AdobeRGB or a wider space like
    Ektaspace, unless you know enough to convert to their printer profile
    and preflight it. If you sent them an sRGB file they'd probably laugh.
    They would be happy to print it for you but they'd laugh.
    The Fuji Frontier type machines are dumbed down to expect sRGB because
    the people who get their prints at places like Costco or Wal-Mart are
    sending in jpegs defaulted to sRGB, likely not knowing any better.
    Wal-Mart is not "everybody" when it comes to printing though.

    Bill Hilton, Mar 28, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    They aren't wet prints are they? I meant real prints onto photographic
    paper like Endura, not poxy ink-jet stuff.
    If they offer the ICC profiles for their printers, It would be a good
    idea to use them.
    Really? Nice people to work with then.
    Maybe I'll email them and ask them if they'd really laugh.
    I'm not talking about Costco or Wal-Mart, otherwise I would have said
    so. Strange that you consider them 'pro labs' though.
    Owamanga, Mar 28, 2005
  12. I prefer plastic myself.
    uraniumcommittee, Mar 28, 2005
  13. LightJet and Chromira are indeed "wet". They expose photographic
    paper using lasers or LEDs. I've ordered this type of print from
    Adorama, (who do this in B&W even!) and others. Overall
    I've been pleased with the results.
    Ben Rosengart, Mar 28, 2005
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    Tom Scales Guest

    But what's so special about 'wet'? The results from an Epson 7600/9600 are
    simply stunning and in a size where wet would be virtually unafforable.

    Tom Scales, Mar 28, 2005
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    Bubbabob Guest

    Shooting and working in sRGB is like strangling your image at birth.
    Shoot and fix in the largest color space that your monitor and camera
    will handle and then downgrade the image to sRGB's noticeably smaller
    gamut when you need to put it on the net or show it in a 2nd rate program
    that doesn't support professional color spaces.

    If you're making your prints on an inkjet printer, it becomes a moot
    point as the small gamut of the printer will become the weakest link in
    the chain.
    Bubbabob, Mar 28, 2005
  16. Since you're following up to my post, I'll answer-- wet prints are
    what's on offer from the places I've been dealing with. I haven't
    wanted to go through the hassle and expense of maintaining an inkjet
    at home. So I just don't know how my images would look coming out
    of an inkjet. My mind is open, and if someone plunked an Epson 2200
    on my desk tomorrow, I would certainly use it.
    Ben Rosengart, Mar 28, 2005
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    McLeod Guest

    As I understand it, Adobe RGB has a wider gamut than sRGB, and once
    you capture your image you can convert it to sRGB if you plan on
    printing or using on the web, but you lose the additional colour range
    if you go the other way. What I have read is that right now very few
    output devices can make use of the Adobe RGB colourspace, but your
    archived images should be saved as Adobe RGB because the technology is
    sure to be here in the near future.
    McLeod, Mar 28, 2005
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    Bubbabob Guest

    Most CostCos have converted from Fuji Frontiers to Noritsu 3101 printers.
    There is an obvious improvement when you feed one of these with a file
    converted from Adobe RGB to the 3101 profile over the results you'll get
    starting with sRGB and converting it to the 3101's profile.
    Bubbabob, Mar 28, 2005
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    If shooting jpegs with Adobe RGB assigned, be sure you have installed the
    firmware B version 1.03. This fixes a problem where the colorspace isn't
    properly identified in the exif data.
    Ed Ruf, Mar 29, 2005
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    Stealth Guest

    Thanks to all! Much appreciated!

    Given that I do all my own printing on my Epson 2200 through Photoshop CS, I
    think I'll set my new D2X to Adobe RGB.

    Once again, thanks to all...
    Stealth, Mar 29, 2005
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