Adobe To Announce Source Code, Customer Data Breach

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    PeterN Guest

    Do you think you will get a clear and relevant response?
     
    PeterN, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    the only whoosh is with you.

    subscription customers are not the only adobe customers who used a
    credit card and there were *more* non-subscribers affected than those
    who were subscribers.

    nothing wrong with disliking the subscription model, but claiming that
    those who did subscribe are suckers and got what they deserved is
    bullshit.
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Afraid not:

    Adobe: "Our investigation currently indicates that the attackers
    accessed Adobe customer IDs and encrypted passwords on our systems. We
    also believe the attackers removed from our systems certain information
    relating to 2.9 million Adobe customers, including customer names,
    encrypted credit or debit card numbers, expiration dates, and other
    information relating to customer orders. "

    That's all customers regardless of product or service type were equally
    vulnerable to the attack. Contrary to your
    "it has nothing to do with subscriptions. someone who bought
    photoshop elements, which is *not* subscription based, could
    be affected."


    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    it's not contrary at all. it's *exactly* what i said!
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not at all. You retorted to RichA as follows:

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    it has nothing to do with subscriptions. someone who bought photoshop
    elements, which is *not* subscription based, could be affected.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Thereby excluding "subscriptions" from the case.



    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    What's that got to do with anything?



    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    that does not exclude anything. it shows that non-subscription
    customers are also affected.
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Obviously you don't understand what you wrote and now, as usual, you are
    squirming around.

    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    i know exactly what i wrote. you just want to chastise me and will jump
    at anything, and then deny your own mistakes.
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You're the one who said "has nothing to do with subscriptions" - but
    people with subscriptions are equally likely to be in the stolen data.

    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    it doesn't.

    it has to do with being an adobe customer, nothing more.

    what they purchased, whether it is subscription, non-subscription or
    some other reason, does not make any difference whatsoever.
    actually less likely.

    adobe has a little more than 1 million creative cloud subscribers and
    almost 3 million accounts were affected.
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You wrote your reply to RichA in the form of an exception, not an
    inclusion. You simply had to add "as well." to your sentence to remove
    ambiguity.

    It's not about the probability of being one or another kind of customer,
    but about the probability of being in the set of downloaded data.


    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    that's nothing more than nitpicking every word, trying to find a reason
    to bash.
     
    Guest, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest


    It couldn't be that your statements are badly thougth out and poorly
    written could it? I mean you get into a twist with everyone at some
    point and it takes a lot of back and forth before you _get it_ or
    (usually) squirm away to some escape hatch...


    --
    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2013.10.06 14:30 , nospam wrote:
    : > In article <>, Alan Browne
    : >
    : >>>>>>>> So how do you like the cloud-service, rental economy now?
    : >>>>>>>
    : >>>>>>> it has nothing to do with subscriptions. someone who bought photoshop
    : >>>>>>> elements, which is *not* subscription based, could be affected.
    : >>>>>>
    : >>>>>> How are subscriptions paid for?
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>> the same way non-subscriptions are paid for.
    : >>>>
    : >>>> *w h o o o o s h*
    : >>>
    : >>> the only whoosh is with you.
    : >>
    : >> Afraid not:
    : >>
    : >> Adobe: "Our investigation currently indicates that the attackers
    : >> accessed Adobe customer IDs and encrypted passwords on our systems. We
    : >> also believe the attackers removed from our systems certain information
    : >> relating to 2.9 million Adobe customers, including customer names,
    : >> encrypted credit or debit card numbers, expiration dates, and other
    : >> information relating to customer orders. "
    : >>
    : >> That's all customers regardless of product or service type were equally
    : >> vulnerable to the attack. Contrary to your
    : >> "it has nothing to do with subscriptions. someone who bought
    : >> photoshop elements, which is *not* subscription based, could
    : >> be affected."
    : >
    : > it's not contrary at all. it's *exactly* what i said!
    :
    : Not at all. You retorted to RichA as follows:
    :
    : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    : > So how do you like the cloud-service, rental economy now?
    :
    : it has nothing to do with subscriptions. someone who bought photoshop
    : elements, which is *not* subscription based, could be affected.
    : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    :
    : Thereby excluding "subscriptions" from the case.

    Well, I don't read it that way. I think he was saying both could be affected,
    i.e. that subscribers wouldn't necessarily be at any greater risk.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 7, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    exactly.
     
    Guest, Oct 7, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    or it could be that you're so intent on bashing me that you'll jump at
    anything, no matter how trivial it might be?

    could it have been phrased more precisely? sure. nearly every post
    could be written more clearly in one way or another, including yours.

    this is usenet, not english class.
     
    Guest, Oct 7, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > Well, I don't read it that way. I think he was saying both could be
    affected,
    | > i.e. that subscribers wouldn't necessarily be at any greater risk.
    |
    | exactly.

    For what it's worth, there's an interesting assessment
    here:

    http://www.itworld.com/security/377...bscription-software-vendors-lucrative-targets

    The gist of it being that subscription records are especially
    attractive because they're up-to-date. The author
    speculates that the hackers may be more interested in
    names/email/passwords for the purpose of such things
    as identity theft rather than wanting credit card numbers
    directly.
     
    Mayayana, Oct 8, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    that article, like many such articles, don't understand what actually
    happened.

    the credit card numbers and passwords were encrypted. the risk is
    negligible and banks don't hold users liable for fraudulent charges
    anyway. it's a hassle if it happens but easily resolved.

    the real problem is the bad guys now have source code.

    they don't need to waste time looking for exploits in pdf or flash or
    other adobe products. they can just look at the source code and come up
    with exploits they never would have thought of. worse, they can have a
    whole slew of them lined up so when adobe patches one, the next is
    deployed.

    *that* is bad.
     
    Guest, Oct 8, 2013
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    PeterN Guest


    While a flase use of a credit card is usually resolved, without a
    hassle, identity theft can be a major PITA. People whose identity has
    been stolen have big problems getting credit, leasing a car, purchasing
    a car, rneting an apartment, and sometimes even getting a decent job. I
    know some people this has happened to, and it has ruined their lives.
     
    PeterN, Oct 8, 2013
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