All video editor manuals should be free to download

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Brian, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. Brian

    Brian Guest

    In some cases I've found that a company has put a manual for it's
    software on the site, and made the manual free to download.
    I wish more companies would do this. I like to study the manual so I
    can decide if the program is going to be suitable for my needs.
    In some cases I've found, by reading the manual, many exciting new
    options in a program that it has convinced me to buy the program.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Sep 2, 2003
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    xEcute Guest

    IT also makes it easier if you have a pirate version, get real.
     
    xEcute, Sep 2, 2003
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    Keith Clark Guest

    None of those arguments hold water when it comes to the manuals though.

    There's nothing to stop someone from buying a book.

    Personally, I've never found value in the manuals that come with even expensive software and
    usually resort to buying books at a bookstore, borrowing a book, taking a class or as a last
    resort asking how-to questions on Usenet. ;->

    Many companies DO make manuals available on the web. I tend to favor the practice myself as it
    saves a trip to the bookstore if I'm thinking about buying a certain program. When I bought
    EditDV (Cinestream) I was in a hurry to learn as much as I could before the box came in the
    mail, so I downloaded the manual and got a head start.

    Any practice of not making a manual available for download will never make even the slightest
    dent in piracy and only hurts legitimate users in my opinion. Anyone who thinks that official
    manuals aren't already available for downloading through any number of outlets is only
    deceiving themselves.

    --Keith
     
    Keith Clark, Sep 2, 2003
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    David McCall Guest

    You're right. A lot of manuals are on-line and are, in some ways, preferable
    to paper manuals, in that you can do digital searches for items that are
    missing from the index and TOC. I've forgotten which one it was, but there
    is at least one popular editing package that was missing the word "edit",
    and perhaps even "mark", when you look at the online help or paper manual.

    I was just responding to the concept of software manufactures overstating
    their losses from pirates.

    David
     
    David McCall, Sep 2, 2003
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  5. Brian

    Keith Clark Guest


    Understood...and I agree with you. I don't think that a company can call
    it a "lost sale" if a teenager download a program they never would have
    bought.

    I think the biggest issue is the "Joe" buys a program at work and then
    "Bob" and "Jane" say "give me the serial number". Happens to me all the
    time. I paid for Nero for a CD burning station in the lab where I work
    because even though we have Roxio CD Creator, I refuse to use it (1-no
    error checking of ISO's and 2-it's impossible to duplicate Linux CD's with
    it). Of course as soon as word got out that I had Nero, I started getting
    innundated with requests for the serial number, and had to refuse lest the
    "IT police" at work would come down on me (and they would). Anyway while I
    do think that P2P plays some role, I think it's miniscule compared to
    "improperly licensed" versions. That said, I'm against the BSA, I think
    they should be sued out of existance for the (should be illegal) way they
    barge into businesses.

    The RIAA is another out-of-control monster. Their sales went down so they
    scream "piracy". But if you track their decline in sales with declines in
    sales in almost every sector of the economy, guess what - it tracs. So I
    guess the big decline is Ford sales must be due to P2P. Not!

    --Keith
     
    Keith Clark, Sep 3, 2003
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    DK Guest

    It seems to me that a trial download is a better way to accomplish that.
    Seems like a self-defeating argument, there.
    I know of a Chamber of Commerce (about as "legitimate" as a business gets)
    that doesn't have a legal copy of ANYTHING - it's all pirated, including the
    OS.
    Spoken like a true pirate.
     
    DK, Sep 3, 2003
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  7. Brian

    DK Guest

    Please allow me to rephrase that - it came across more harshly than
    intended:

    That is the refrain that I all too often hear from many who use and/or trade
    in pirated software. I think, however, that there is a certain amount of
    naivete to that position.

    Of course, if it is a good product, using a pirated version might bring
    someone to decide to purchase the program so they can receive upgrades and
    support. But if it works fine in the pirated form and they can get the
    support elsewhere (such as newsgroups or books or downloadable manuals),
    then they don't need to bother.

    Think of it like this: a pirated version of your work MAY get you business,
    if someone sees it, then decides they like your work, then decides they want
    to hire you to do something. But if that pirated version of your work is a
    copy of a movie you spent $50,000 and 6 months to make, and the sales of
    that movie are only at $20,000 and not looking any better, I think you won't
    necessarily be all that appreciative of the extra little business the
    pirated copies bring in.

    OTOH, maybe there's something to be said for the idea of simply making
    something good enough that people will CHOOSE to spend money on it, even if
    it's available for free elsewhere. Laizzes-faire, anyone?
     
    DK, Sep 3, 2003
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    Brian Guest

    Thanks Tony for your comments.

    All I'm saying is that by reading a manual you get to know all there
    is about a program. It becomes a problem if yourt not certain if a
    program has a certain feature.
    Example: Does Vegas Video DVD create menu's for VCD CD-R disks? (I
    have since found the answer in this newsgroup).
    If I was to buy the program and found it did'nt do what I wanted then
    I would have wasted my money.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Sep 3, 2003
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    Bill Van Dyk Guest

    Actually, more than a few directors would be thrilled to find out their little
    $50,000 production was being widely copied and viewed, legally or not. Because
    1) they know that most of those people seeing it would not have paid to see it
    anyway, or could not have seen it because it wasn't shown at an accessible
    venue, and 2), if the film is any good, there will be more more paying customers
    for the next production.
     
    Bill Van Dyk, Sep 3, 2003
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    DK Guest

    Which leads to my last comment.

    As I'm discussing it, I'm seeing that it's not necessarily all that simple
    of a situation - I'll have to give more thought to it before assuming any
    solid position (if ever...)
     
    DK, Sep 3, 2003
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    Bud Guest

    You may not believe this, but many years ago I had a conversation with
    Bill Gates regarding piracy, and he seemed (at least in 1975) to
    regard it as free advertising. What irritated him most were companies
    that stole his software, then re-assembled it and sold it as their own
    for profit. I guess that would tend to get to most anyone. True to
    form, however...his response was that these companies wouldn't be in
    business long, and he was right.
     
    Bud, Sep 4, 2003
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    Keith Clark Guest

    I thought this article was interesting. It says that file-sharing is down
    22% due to the RIAA threats of late. So if their logic held water, then CD
    sales should stabilize or trend upwards. Instead sales of CD's are falling
    even faster than before. Must be either crappy content or the public is
    tired of being ripped off (both ;->).

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/03/BU249534.DTL&type=tech

    Of course, now Universal Music is slashing CD prices to more reasonable
    levels, hoping to spur sales :

    http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/djh/200309031515DOWJONESDJONLINE001239.htm
     
    Keith Clark, Sep 5, 2003
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    Pete Guest

    Clearly it's both!


     
    Pete, Sep 5, 2003
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  14. I guess that's a better rationalisation of the situation than the
    pirates' convoluted attempts to prove that because they can, they
    should :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Sep 5, 2003
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  15. Brian

    Keith Clark Guest

    Which ironically has been Microsoft's main business model for the last
    decade or more.
     
    Keith Clark, Sep 5, 2003
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