Alternative to Canons 450D?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by PHIL, May 28, 2008.

  1. PHIL

    PHIL Guest

    I'm thinking of buying a buying a DSLR, I've seen Canons 450D as a good
    introductory DSLR.

    What would be a good alternative, ie Nikon, Pentax models.

    PHIL, May 28, 2008
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    Focus Guest

    Sony A350. Better noise, higher resolution and better light metering.
    450D likes to bail out by high contrast scenes.

    Price is about the same.

    I love mine!
    Focus, May 28, 2008
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  3. Nikon offer a range of low-cost models - D40, D40x and the newer D60.
    Good value for money, and a range of lenses as good as any.

    If you are interested in telephoto, I would be wary of buying a camera
    with in-body image stabilisation, as that does not stabilise the
    viewfinder image.

    You can buy just a DSLR and an 18 - 200mm lens, and never need anything
    else, or your DSLR might just be the first component of a system purchase,
    eventually comprising several lenses, flashguns, and other accessories.
    The brand you buy determines which of the other system components are
    available to you.

    David J Taylor, May 28, 2008
  4. PHIL

    Wilba Guest

    Wilba, May 29, 2008
  5. PHIL

    PHIL Guest

    Thanks Guys,

    I'll need to read about the differences between in-body or in-lens
    stabilisation to help me decide i think

    PHIL, May 29, 2008
  6. PHIL

    PHIL Guest

    Thanks Guys

    I will read up about in-body and in-lens stabilisation to help me narrow
    them down.

    PHIL, May 29, 2008
  7. PHIL

    Wilba Guest

    In my limited experience, in-body works better but costs more. Pretty much
    the same principle as with every other choice in life. :)
    Wilba, May 29, 2008
  8. PHIL

    Wilba Guest

    Oops! Late night brain-fade - IN-LENS works better but costs more.
    Wilba, May 29, 2008
  9. Focus has an axe to grind --- and when he had the 450D as long as
    he had the Sony, he was just as enthusiastic about it.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 30, 2008

  10. Here is my advice:

    - Forget about pixel count, buy the least expensive DSLR camera of the brand
    of your choice..
    - Don't buy any APS size lens, except for a single kit lens.

    Steve Sherman, Jun 5, 2008
  11. PHIL

    phil Guest

    Price is a factor, I'm looking at the Sony A200 from Amazon for £280.

    Sony DSLR-A200K Digital SLR Camera + Zoom Lens Kit (18-70mm F3.5-5.6)

    There's a Nikon D40 for around the same price but the Sony seems to have
    a few more features.

    phil, Jun 5, 2008
  12. - include used bodies in your choice (from your local dealer)
    - Make sure the body fits your hands (maybe add a battery
    - Make sure you like holding and using the body.
    You may want to buy a 10-xx mm ultrawide as APS size lens.
    But that's probably for later.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 7, 2008
  13. PHIL

    Archibald Guest

    Ridiculous. If you are committed to the APS format, get APS lenses. If
    you are not committed, then get a 35mm format SLR and the
    corresponding lenses.

    Some people can't break with the past. 35mm is the past. There is
    nothing wrong or "cropped" about the APS format, any more than 35mm is
    a cropped version of Medium Format. It is a very respectable format
    that you can do pretty well everything with.

    OK, the bigger sensors (Canon, anyway) give better resolution, and
    that allows for bigger prints. If you need that, get that system.
    Otherwise, get the EF-S format and quit whining.

    In the Canon line, the 10-22mm and 17-55mm/2.8 lenses perform superbly
    and have very useful zoom ranges for your chosen format. The
    corresponding lenses for 35mm format are more expensive and much

    Archibald, Jun 8, 2008
  14. You're right: Lenses won't last 2 years, while bodies last
    nearly forever and never get out of date.
    So why don't you champion really tiny sensors?
    Maybe because that's not the whole story --- and you know it?

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 10, 2008
  15. PHIL

    phil Guest

    To answer my own question, after a bit of research into entry level
    DSLRs, I opted for the Sony A200.

    I got a Sony A200 with 18-70mm lense with a 4g Compactflash card
    delivered for £305.

    The anti dust system, 18-70mm lense and in-body stabilisation of the
    Sony A200 won over the similary priced Nikon D40.

    phil, Jun 10, 2008
  16. It's our choice as a second camera at the moment and delivers
    consistently good exposure with minimal interference. I've never found
    the 18-70mm quite good enough for all situations, but it's a decent lens
    to start with at minimal cost.

    David (
    David Kilpatrick, Jun 10, 2008
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    ransley Guest

    Better noise? Higher resolution, better metering, so why did dpreview
    give it an 8 on "Image Quality" and the Canon 450 a -NINE -, because
    your are full of it Focus. Maybe on a chart its better but the 450d
    has much sharper pictures as stated by , sony got an
    extremely embarassing poor rating of only 8 on image quality, and
    Cannon 450d got a 9. Nine is a rating dpreview gives rarely, for a
    real unbiased review go to and forget this nut focus.
    There are other real good review sites avalaible, ones that you
    actualy see test results, but none are the half assed reviews Focus
    listed. Today cannon 450 is the deal, its sensor is quite good,
    tomorrow who knows who will be best. Check out sony lens prices to
    others, before jumping.
    ransley, Jun 11, 2008
  18. phil wrote:
    Sounds quite cheap. But you do lose the advantage of stabilisation in the
    viewfinder with in-body IS - a significant drawback with long lenses.

    David J Taylor, Jun 11, 2008
  19. PHIL

    PHIL Guest

    It's my first DSLR and I didn't want to spend too much.

    The reviews have been great, can't wait for it to arrive.

    PHIL, Jun 11, 2008
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