Alternative to Studio 8

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by mike, Jul 5, 2003.

  1. mike

    mike Guest

    I've been using Studio 8 for some months now, but am totally fed up with
    this bug-ridden software, that crashes every other minute.

    Can someone recommend editing software which is fairly easy to use. I'm
    probably looking for something in between studio 8 and Adobe Premier (which
    I'm struggling to understand!). I just want to do some basic home editing,
    nothing too fancy.

    Mike.
     
    mike, Jul 5, 2003
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  2. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    EditStudion - www.puremotion.com

    You can download the older version 2 for free IIRC (or you sometimes find it
    on magazine cover disks).
     
    Jerry., Jul 5, 2003
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  3. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    There's a run-down on my site at:
    http://www.camcord.info/basics/ complete with links.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 5, 2003
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  4. mike

    Jensen Guest


    Hey Toni
    I was around and looking at Your website, great :)

    I wonder if You can tell me if there is a kind of scenedetection
    in Vegas 4, i have trial version but didnt find any kind of
    scenedetection, which i was very happy for in Studio 8.


    Peter.
     
    Jensen, Jul 6, 2003
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  5. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    If by "scenedetection" you mean that each shot is captured (imported) as
    a separate clip, then yes (for Vegas 4).

    In fact, with the notable exception of Premiere, most mainstream video
    editors capture individual shots as clips in that way. Those who use
    Premiere often pre-condition their video source using SceneAnalyser -
    but IMHO it's glaring deficiency in Premiere not to include this feature
    in the baseline product.

    Since you're expressing an interest in Vegas 4, I'll reiterate what I
    say on my website - it's *very* expensive but it is a very good video
    editor.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 6, 2003
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  6. mike

    Jensen Guest


    Thank You Tony
    In Studio 8 there is a funktion called scenedetection,
    where it is possible to separate a long video sequence
    captured from eg. DV, in sections by time -date or scenechange
    so you get a link (i think) to each sequence.

    It is much easyer than a hole video throug to find
    where the scenecange is and cut it maually.

    If it is in Vegas 4, would you please tell me where and
    i get use of it, because i cant find it, maybe they usea different
    name for the same function.


    Peter
     
    Jensen, Jul 6, 2003
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  7. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    RFM :) Its in the manual and in the help file.

    Select File, Video Capture, Right-click on Capture tab, select
    Preferences, select Capture tab.

    The Enable DV scene detection is the first check-box - check it (so you
    have a tick in it).

    It is the default setting anyway, so I'm surprised that you're having
    problems with it.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 6, 2003
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  8. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    But there is no need for such software, if you don't log your shots how do
    you know what your rushes contain, once you have logged them you then know
    what you need and have the timecode in/out points - just use those timecode
    points to drive your capture.

    Why capture what you are not going to use ?..
    Why trust some software to decide were a scene starts / stops ?

    ISTM that Premiere is aiming at semi pro use, why would they want to spend
    money on something that 99.999999E % probably would not use ?
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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  9. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    Why not just did it manually at the capture, view you tape and decide what
    shots you need, jot down the timecode (or tape counter) reading and then
    reverse (NOT fast rewind) your for tape at least 10 seconds and then play
    again - start you capture at the start point at which you wish capture and
    stop it at the point you wish the 'clip' to end - job done (if you're lucky
    you might not even need to trim the clip !).

    It is far easier to do than it seems written down - give it a try :~)
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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  10. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    So you just let the tape run and start / stop as required - been there, got
    the tea-shirt, far far better (and you / know / you have what YOU want),
    trust me ! :~))

    You do need to know what is on the tape though, perhaps you don't log your
    rushes or plan (story board) your movie....
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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  11. mike

    Jensen Guest

    I think one of Studio8 advantages is that you can
    find scene breaks in a precaptured video, and that is
    much easyer when the "clips" appear separated in
    the clip list and then add them to the timeline,
    than go trough 20 min of video and cut start/end frames
    maual to get your desired clips.

    I have the experince that the scenedetection, get it
    pretty precise, from first to last frame in a timecode-break
    or scenechange.

    Of course if i plan and logs my shot it, i think
    i would do it manual, but i take maybe a 60-90 min
    DV tape over 1 monht and later i tranfer it to
    harddisk and cut it to the desired section
    of location/time. eg.

    You know: I am a homemade- family-moviemaker :))
    Peter
     
    Jensen, Jul 6, 2003
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  12. mike

    loz Guest

    Because 90% of the people frequenting this group are not even semi professional,
    yet products like Premiere are often easily in their budget, or is bundled with
    some other kit they purchase.

    As such, scene detection can be a real boon to helping you quickly find the
    different scenes.

    Surely even a pro will save time (isn't that the most important thing for a
    pro?), by letting the software find all the scenes in one automated pass whilst
    they attend to something else, even if they are the same ones as logged?

    Loz
     
    loz, Jul 6, 2003
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  13. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    Does that stop them using tried and tested working practices ? :~)
    Pro's don't do things the way they do to make life hard or use more time,
    they do them to save time or make life easier. Hence the explanation of why
    'scene detection' will not be use by / most / people using Premiere I
    suspect.
    I doubt that, the quickest way is to look at a list of clips and know which
    one is going to be used, you need to look at each clip to know that anyway -
    why not do it before capture and then only capture what you need ?
    That depends on how much storage is available, I doubt they would let
    software cut the 'film' up though, more likely to load the whole capture
    into the NLE and cut manually to a logging sheet IYSWIM.

    At the end of the day it's a case of each to there own, I was just trying to
    give a reason why scene detection is not needed and why Adobe probably don't
    find a need to include such software.
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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  14. I'm playing with Vegas at the moment, it takes a little getting used to
    but the more I learn the more impressed I become.

    I've only had my camcorder for just over a week and last weekend I
    christened it at a wedding, so to speak, when I loaded the tape into
    Vegas it split it into scenes based on when I stopped and started
    recording, it also split a long scene into three, haven't worked that
    out yet.

    Mike
     
    Michael Swift, Jul 6, 2003
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  15. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    [ re Vegas and scene detection software ]
    I think you have just proved one of my points (in another part of the
    thread) !...
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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  16. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    I think so, but am reluctant to say so because I have been wrong before
    - and some folk here won't let me hear the end of it :)

    Having said that, for most people, the free Microsoft Movie Maker will
    provide all the facilities required for producing good movies.

    Too many people IMHO think that paying lotsa money for an advanced video
    editor will transform their current crappy movies into something truly
    spectacular.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 6, 2003
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  17. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    I'd completely forgotten why "Jerry" is in my killfile. Having read the
    stupid advice he's promulgating here, I can now remember why.

    He's clearly quite fond of the "M" part of "S&M".
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 6, 2003
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  18. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Wouldn't it have been better at a christening? :)
    Perhaps because your PC isn't using NTFS?
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 6, 2003
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  19. No, being a newbie I tended to shoot short scenes, the one it cut was
    only about 4 minutes and I was well inside the 4 gig limit by about a
    tenth :)

    Mike
     
    Michael Swift, Jul 6, 2003
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  20. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    Just like all the people who earn their living by editing VT !....

    You are a real sad plonk Mr Morgan. :~(
     
    Jerry., Jul 6, 2003
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