Alternative to Studio 8

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by mike, Jul 5, 2003.

  1. mike

    Dave R Guest

    Jerry, I hear what you're saying, but the abilities of ScenalyzerLive
    are pretty good. Firstly it detects scenes by a break in the time code
    of the source material. If the time code changes, then you must have
    pressed record again yes?

    So, you can scan a tape in, which it does by going into play mode, and
    then a fast forward search. The whole tape is indexed in 5 minutes, and
    you then get an expanded set of frame clips, enough to see what each
    clip is about. You can then select the ones that you want to scan in.

    It will then rewind the tape to just before the first clip and play
    through in real time, it captures as it gets to that first clip.
    Consecutive clips are simply captured on the fly to new files, i.e. the
    tape doesn't stop and rewind again.

    It really is a neat piece of software.

    Recently I had 6 hours of rushes to load up. Sure I could have sat
    there and manually captured from log points. Or instead I could have
    ran this program to capture the index, marked the stuff that I wanted,
    then let it do it's thing whilst I went and did something else. Guess
    which I chose? :)

    I don't know how the stuff works in Studio or Vegas, but ScenalyzerLive
    is an excellent way of spending £35 (or whatever it is).

    - Dave.
     
    Dave R, Jul 7, 2003
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  2. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    I hear what you are saying but....

    Surely you looked at your rushes, or did you write a log sheet at the time
    of shooting, unless you did how would you know which one to digitise when
    in 'Take 1' sound is duff half way through, the camera got knocked half way
    through 'Take 2', the talent corpsed in 'Take 4' but 'Take 3' was OK except
    for the off stage noise at the beginning that can be fixed in post
    production ?...

    I really don't see how you can edit even family home movie stuff if you
    haven't looked at, and made notes, of what is on the tape, surely is only a
    short step to using these notes to enter a digitising (capture) list into
    your favourite NLE software ?
     
    Jerry., Jul 7, 2003
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  3. mike

    Dave R Guest

    My notes are made post-capture. First I index the tape, taking 5 minutes,
    and that gives me a rough idea of the clips that I have. The ones that I
    know I don't want, I don't select. I can then capture the rest in. Stuff
    that I find unusable after that simply gets deleted.

    I used to watch each tape first, but found that that was too time
    consuming. 1 hour watching, and making notes, and then over an hour
    potenetially capturing each segment. I never did batch capture because of
    the tape rewinding for pre-roll even on contiguous segments.

    At the end of the day, it saves me time. :)

    - Dave.
     
    Dave R, Jul 8, 2003
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  4. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    If you are happy with how you 'work' and it works for what you want to
    achieve in the time it takes then that's the main thing - It's just that I
    could not leave a machine to decide what I have to work with in the edit
    IYSWIM, others have given examples of what can go wrong.

    I think we will have to agree to disagree, until the next time this subject
    comes up ! :~)
     
    Jerry., Jul 8, 2003
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  5. mike

    Dave R Guest

    :) I don't let the machine decide either.

    One of the "faults" listed was that the capturing clipped something
    halfway through a scene. With Scenalyzer, like I said, it's timecode
    based. The only reason it would chop a real scene into 2 or more files
    would be if the file was getting too big (you decide how big). In which
    case, the 2 files can be butted together within your NLE software, and
    gives you seemless video. No frames are dropped.
    Quite. :)

    - Dave.
     
    Dave R, Jul 8, 2003
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  6. So you just let the tape run and start / stop as required - been there, got

    No, I guess most casual users don't. Auto scene snipping is very
    convenient for the average unorganised camcorder-user. Don't forget
    this is the generation of DV cameras and Firewire interfaces. No-one
    edits a rough copy then makes up a capture list any more ;-)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 8, 2003
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  7. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    What pompous (and inaccurate) remarks. Providing that you log all shots,
    the efficacy of doing it without start/end times is the same as with
    start/end times - in fact it's more so if you use scenedetect..

    These days, rather than pulling out my little notebook and scribbling, I
    use my Sharp MT877 [1] then run the audio log through ViaVoice to get my
    running order. When I capture using scenedetect, the start, finish and
    running times are automatically annotated into each clip. Even better
    using cut and paste I can annotate each clip quickly and efficiently.
    When I used to scribble I used to lose shots - now I can catch those
    opportunity shots. I use a stereo headset with boom mic - the mic plug
    into the MT877 (set to auto-mark/auto start-stop) and the headset plug
    into the camcorder so I can monitor the sound as I record.

    I simply cannot see that doing something a certain way "because it's
    always been done that way" is efficient or (to my amateur's mind) very
    professional. Still, what do I know :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 9, 2003
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  8. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Point taken :)
    About 20 minutes.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 9, 2003
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  9. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    Not a lot, except perhaps were Codecs are concerned...
     
    Jerry., Jul 9, 2003
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  10. mike

    Jerry. Guest


    Get a clue and then come back and try again !....
     
    Jerry., Jul 9, 2003
    #30
  11. Someone seems to be forgetting that this isn't
    uk.rec.video.professional.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Jul 9, 2003
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  12. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Still, the significance of the "rec" in uk.rec.video.digital escapes the
    clueless and brain-dead. Or is it an ego thing that's affecting
    Laurence?
    :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 9, 2003
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  13. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    In your case, yes it does and yes you are !... :~(((
     
    Jerry., Jul 9, 2003
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  14. I'm getting out of this. I thought it was Jerry I was having a gentle
    dig at. :)

    Yes I did realise very soon after posting that rec and pro were
    contradictory but then so are lots of things here. ;-)
     
    Malcolm Knight, Jul 10, 2003
    #34
  15. Someone seems to be forgetting that this isn't
    What did I say? That last one wasn't me :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 10, 2003
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  16. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    Don't worry about it Malcolm, it's Morgan who has lost the plot, or
    does the group not exist ?...

    Yes I know it's not a 'uk' group, but Morgans was pointing to the
    significance of the 'rec' part of the groups name.
     
    Jerry., Jul 10, 2003
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  17. mike

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <H9fPa.46668$9.net>, Jerry.

    Snipped....
    I'd taken you out of my killfile to see if you have learned to
    contribute anything constructive.

    I see you haven't so back you go....

    Plonk !!!
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 16, 2003
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  18. mike

    Jerry. Guest

    But he deserves it, everyone needs taking down a step or two once in a while
    !...
     
    Jerry., Jul 16, 2003
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