an excellent read from the ACLU

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Bowser, Sep 10, 2011.

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    tony cooper Guest

    The Tea Party types in Florida who object to government control are
    pressing for stricter laws to be passed to make it unlawful to
    participate in a public protest or demonstration.

    Slightly off topic, an "Occupy" demonstrator was incarcerated for 18
    days without bond being set in Orlando for chalking slogans like
    "Justice Equals Liberty" on the sidewalk in front of City Hall. He
    was charged with illegal promotion of "advertising matter".

    Our Mayor, who pushed for the arrest, issued a statement in 2009 in a
    Chamber of Commerce newsletter suggesting that area businesses show
    their support for the Orlando Magic (basketball team) by chalking up
    their sidewalks and entryways with encouraging messages to the team
    that was in the Eastern Conference finals.

    To date, the police have not arrested any children chalking up
    hopscotch grids on the sidewalk, but it may be just a matter of time.
     
    tony cooper, Jan 16, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I don't understand what is wrong with an appropriate double standard.
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    PeterN, Jan 16, 2012
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    GMAN Guest

    Its one thing to protest in the streets and show your opposition to certain
    subjects. It another thing to walk around , shitting on Cop cars and peoples
    front porches, doing drugs and raping women in such "occupy" type protests.
     
    GMAN, Jan 16, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I guess our Occupy protesters are of the kinder, gentler sort. No cop
    cars have been shat upon, no residences (other than the Mayor's
    chalked sidewalk) have been defiled, and no women have reported being
    accosted by Occupy protesters. It's the bankers who commit rape down
    here. The Occupy people have been more orderly than the Tea Party
    people. The Tea Party people shout down speakers, but the Occupy
    people just wave signs.

    Some at the Occupy site that I saw looked like they may favor a bit of
    weed now and then. I couldn't say for sure.

    It is not the act of protesting that should be grounds for arrest, but
    acts already unlawful done by anyone.
     
    tony cooper, Jan 16, 2012
  5. It's a matter of the Democrats securing a majority of votes. If they can raise
    that amount ot 60% they would.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Jan 17, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Do you really believe that crap?
    The Republicans who want no increases in taxes for those whose income is
    over a million dollars.
    Didn't our Governor, who I think is a Democrat, just reduce taxes on the
    middle class?

    BTW is Grover Norquest's pledge mostly signed by Democrats or Republicans?
     
    PeterN, Jan 17, 2012
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    It's shocking how children are STILL allowed to live in this country
    without paying their share of income taxes.
     
    Ray Fischer, Jan 18, 2012
  8. I don't believe it's crap. Build a constituency that becomes dependent on you
    and you'll get thier vote everytime. The more government services you give to
    someone, the more they become dependent on you. The more people who don't pay
    federal taxes will grow the size of Democratic voters. Look at some of the
    large cities here, like Detroit. The same party stays in power while the city
    gets worse and worse.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Jan 18, 2012
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    Walter Banks Guest

    The simplest way to avoid paying the $2000 per year is to reduce your income.

    The real issue I think will start to come out when the real costs of the tax
    incentive for delayed capital gains starts to be debated with Mitt Romney's
    disclosure yesterday of paying about 15%. Here you have a case of him
    earning income derived from the labor of the companies he has invested in
    and paying less proportionately less than the employee's of those companies.

    The argument will eventually become a question of risk and return. The
    metaphorical Mitt could respond that additional taxes would deter him
    from making the risk a GOP argument for the last decade. This actually
    would be self correcting, Mitt could hang onto his money until he found
    need to spend it (He doesn't have a house in North Dakota yet) and
    then the money would go into purchasing materials and labor for his
    new shelter. The labor part then taxed at the rate of employees.

    I have owned businesses most of my adult life, I don't know of a single
    business project that was decided by the tax rate. They all came down
    to risk and return. Most of our projects had high risks related to a
    significant upfront R&D before knowing if the project idea would even
    work.

    One final quote from my father who was a farmer, "I would sure like to
    earn enough to need to pay taxes"

    w..
     
    Walter Banks, Jan 18, 2012
  10. I would be much happier if people would stop believing such a bullshit
    fake statistic. Please. When I was making squat as a work-study student
    as part of my financial aid, I was paying taxes. Is anybody here so
    poor that they pay *no* taxes?

    http://money.howstuffworks.com/only-53-percent-pay-income-tax.htm
     
    Edward A. Falk, Jan 18, 2012
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Right-wingnuts are nothing if not stupid. How else could you support
    a party that would raise fees and taxes for the middle class in order
    to give massive tax breaks to the megarich?
     
    Ray Fischer, Jan 18, 2012
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    Walter Banks Guest

    Look at the alternative argument, don't educate the population, teach them
    the obedience of military discipline and mass flood people with negative
    ads. All it takes is a few hundred dollars per voter to buy the election results
    as desired.

    Maybe the pork barrel politics of endless entitlements are better at least some
    of the money comes back.
     
    Walter Banks, Jan 18, 2012

  13. ????? You proved the point that almost 50% pay no federal income taxes.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Jan 18, 2012
  14. They still pay social security, state, local, property (if they own any)
    and sales taxes. Gman said they pay NO taxes.
     
    Edward A. Falk, Jan 18, 2012
  15. The fact that about 50% of people pay no federal income taxes was raised by me
    in this thread, I believe. That is the claim that was made and was disputed. I
    made it clear that I was referring to *federal income taxes*. Not once did I
    claim that they pay no taxes of any kind, only federal. This is no fake
    statistic, on BS. It's a fact.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Jan 19, 2012
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    George Kerby Guest

    Nice lie.
     
    George Kerby, Jan 19, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Point not consistent with the facts. They do pay income taxes.
     
    PeterN, Jan 19, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    60%?
    Grover Norquest?

    We had an interesting experience. My wife won a small, but reportable
    jackpot by playing the slot machines. Our gambling losses will not
    offset the gains, and we will happily pay the taxes.

    There is something morally wrong when high income earners pay less in
    taxes than others.
     
    PeterN, Jan 19, 2012
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    George Kerby Guest

    Would you expect anything different from our resident Occupier?!?
     
    George Kerby, Jan 20, 2012
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    Savageduck, Jan 20, 2012
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