An exercise in landscape scale

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    One of the old tenets I have heard from time to time, was to have a
    human figure somewhere in the image to establish scale. That is all
    well and good until you are faced with the overwhelming scale of El
    Capitan at Yosemite.

    So here it is in all its massive monolithic glory rising some 4,000 ft.
    from the valley floor.
    Somewhere on that face, to establish and demonstrate the scale, are two
    very convenient groups of climbers four in one, and two in the other.
    See if you can locate them and get a real idea of the immensity of that
    rock.

    I will post a solution at 0900 PDT.
    < https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBGyl1LDu7JeXFXVVFLR1lvWjA >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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  2. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Well, I guess I didn't have any takers on this one, but here are the
    two locations;
    < https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBGyl1LDu7JWEt0M3o1RE1yOTA >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Missed your challenge, but in a 15 second look I couldn't spot them.

    Nat Geo had a good Yosemite article about climbers (illegal, mostly) and
    base jumpers several months ago.
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 28, 2012
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  4. It won't open for me. I get the following:

    Redirect Loop

    Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load the requested
    page. This may be caused by cookies that are blocked.

    The browser has stopped trying to retrieve the requested item. The site
    is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete.

    * Have you disabled or blocked cookies required by this site?
    * NOTE: If accepting the site's cookies does not resolve the
    problem, it is likely a server configuration issue and not your computer.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Apr 28, 2012
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  5. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Those URLs should open without issue, Alan Browne was able to open
    them. Others have been able to open other images I have shared via
    Google Drive.

    That said, here are the same two images via Dropbox and the soon to be
    dead iDisc.
    < http://db.tt/FbwGTg2W >
    < http://db.tt/57x5f4eb >
    or
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_7089PAN-Afc1w.jpg >
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_7089PAN-AfSolcw.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Apr 28, 2012
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  7. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Aah!
    I guess that is what happens when I only gave myself editing
    permissions in their sharing options.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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  8. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    BTW: If you really want a fat image to zoom in on, here is the
    6090x3075 @ 10.8MB version.
    For those with limited broadband note the file size is actually 10.8MB.
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_7089PAN-Afc.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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  9. Anybody trying to play at that wimpy resolution is insane. I've
    taken such photos ... and its hard at 12 megapixels with that framing ...
    and I know where to look if its the one of the usual routes. Now
    with a 300mm tele its a different matter.


    Doug McDonald
     
    Doug McDonald, Apr 28, 2012
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  10. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    In that case check my response to PeterN. There you will find the URL
    to a 6090x3075 @ 10.8MB version.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 28, 2012
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  11. Thank you SD.
    Very nice photo. I am viewing the 10.8 version. Still could
    not find the climbers with your help with the boxes.
    I got to see it once in person. The tectonic forces that
    created the structure must have been tremendous.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Apr 28, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I must admit lack of success. Each of four places I thought was it wasn't.
     
    PeterN, Apr 28, 2012
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  13. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    I guess that was the point of this little exercise, that having a
    5-6ft. tall person in an image to provide a sense of true scale, is in
    some cases futile. The place is overwhelming.
    I try to get up to the Sierras, Yosemite in particular, at least once a
    year. A trip like that always puts my role in the World in perspective.
    It has always struck me that from particular points in and above the
    valley it is difficult to fully grasp and appreciate the enormity of
    the place, especially from the usual snap shots from "Tunnel view".
    That was part of the creative genius of Adams, he was able to capture
    that majesty of scale without a reference, to give viewers of his work
    an idea of the character of the place.
    You should try it again sometime, Spring, Fall and Winter are best.
    Mid-Summer is clogged with tourists and is an unpleasant experience.
    Also consider Sequoia-Kings Canyon NP, and Zion NP as other places to
    visit.
    Certainly the tectonic forces which created the Sierras were
    tremendous, and are still exerting pressure on California and the West,
    as the subduction of the Oceanic Plate under the North American Plate
    continue. However the forces which shaped Yosemite, The Valley and the
    structures in the Valley such as El Capitan and Half Dome, were not
    tectonic.
    The geologic story of Yosemite lies in several phases starting with
    glacial erosion about 2-3 million years ago along with volcanic
    activity throughout the area. This led to the next, and important stage
    the flattening of the Valley floor and the slow changes to the glacial
    lakes to the meadows you find today. The massive rock structures now
    found themselves unsupported on their valley boundaries and entered
    into a process of sculpting themselves into the shapes we see today.
    The North & South side of the Valley are somewhat different, so the
    fracturing and subsequent rockfalls have led to different distinctive
    shapes. The joints in the various granite types has led to "sheeting"
    and the eventual shaping of exposed "domes". So that shaping is called
    "exfoliation" which is the process by which concentric plates or shells
    of rock are spalled, or stripped from the parent rock mass.This is
    ongoing today with recent massive rockfalls in the "Happy Isles" area
    in the Valley below Glacier Point.

    Yosemite is one of those places along with Sequoia-Kings Canyon, Zion
    NP, Grand Canyon NP, and a few of the other Western parks, most people
    should have on their bucket list. The caveat is to not take the drive
    through, check off visit, but to spend a bit of time and actually "see"
    these places.
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_9246SE4.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2012
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  14. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Tiny aren't they?
    I guess that was my point. It always amazes me how mere humans can
    disappear on that massive wall. They are tough to find when you are
    there. I have see tourists lost in their search for climbers from the
    valley floor. and I have seen tourists claiming they could pick out
    climbers when looking at El Cap from Tunnel View, an unlikely
    possibility without high powered scope or lens.

    So how do you express or demonstrate the massive scale of such a
    natural structure without some sort of reference to scale when having a
    6ft tall man in the image won't work?
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2012
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  15. Savageduck

    Robert Coe Guest

    Those URLs should open without issue, Alan Browne was able to open
    : them.

    Me too.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 29, 2012
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  16. And they opened for me. I did get redirected through Google sign-in for
    some reason (I should have had Google cooties, er I mean cookies,
    already in that browser session); but it completed that detour and
    brought me to the picture automatically.

    (I, also, didn't get any definite hits on the climbers in perhaps 30
    entire seconds of looking at the picture. That's one heck of an
    impressive piece of landscape there, though!)
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Apr 30, 2012
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  17. Maybe if you could get King Kong to come hang on the face somewhere?
    I haven't been there...not sure, maybe since I was a child, maybe
    never. I know I was at Yellowstone, not sure if we also went to
    Yosemite.
    It's amazing what he was able to portray in a flat print.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Apr 30, 2012
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  18. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Something like this? ;-)
    You would have a very different appreciation of the place now. So, it
    is time to make that trip.
    Every time I drive up there from the coast I put on my Adams fantasy
    hat. His big advantage was, he lived up there and had the time in all
    four seasons to capture those perfect full moon images above Half Dome,
    and the approaching storms down the Valley from Tunnel View.

    As much as I try I am never there at the right time. :-(
    < https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBGyl1LDu7JbHM5cU5wcUxDRzQ >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 30, 2012
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  19. Yes, that's great. *Now* I can see how big it is :) .
    No doubt, no doubt. Well, maybe next year; I've got a badlands trip
    planned for this summer sometime (I suppose we'd better get it narrowed
    down some soon).
    I really like some of the winter pictures I've seen from the area.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Apr 30, 2012
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  20. Savageduck

    Alan Browne Guest

    I find that very pleasant. The shadow area at the bottom is
    distracting, as is the strong shadow in the middle. The cloud pattern
    is nearly an echo of the ground scene too. The overall tone and
    contrast, composition are quite nice.
     
    Alan Browne, May 1, 2012
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