Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Oct 15, 2008.

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    Annika1980 Guest

    I posted that pic at 10:50PM local time, over 4 hours after I got
    We left Destin at 10:30AM EST and arrived home around 5:30PM EST.
    Yes, we stopped for burgers on the way. The Krystal on I-459 in
    Birmingham if you must know. I had the #1 combo with a large Diet

    Any other questions, Douggie?
    Annika1980, Oct 16, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Can't hear you, Jurgen. Your voice is muffled when you talk through
    your hat.

    The speed limit in Florida is 65 mph on non-interstate highways
    (unless in a zone posted otherwise) and 70 mph on interstates. I
    don't know what Friday you traveled, but it must have been prior to
    1987 when the limit was raised from 55 mph.

    I also wonder why the Florida speed limits pertains to this at all.
    Taking State Road 29 (65 mph) north out of Pensacola puts you in
    Florida for about 40-some miles and then you are in Georgia. When you
    pick up I-65 you will be driving at 70-75 mph minimum.

    I'd allow five hours for a 400 mile drive that is mostly interstate if
    I wanted to get home from a holiday. I could push it down to four,
    but I do take breaks and can't stand eating while I drive. The seven
    hour figure is what I'd take if I took state and county roads for a
    leisurely drive and quite a few stops to take photographs. The only
    "recommended" stop is when you see a good photo op.
    Either that, or he accessed his internet account from his laptop. You
    don't have to home to post. I have no idea what Bret does (nor do I
    care), but it's no great trick to upload images to a laptop, edit
    them, upload to your photo host, and access a newsgroup from somewhere
    that isn't home.

    As far as being a Bret sock puppet, my past posts put that to rest.
    I've complimented him on some good shots (and he does produce some
    excellent work), I've complimented him on his composition (he has a
    damned good eye for a photograph), and I've panned some of his shots.
    Those gulls look like dead birds to me. The single gull shot has
    everything but an Adobe logo on it, and the arm in the other gull shot
    doesn't look like it's from the same frame as the birds. I may be
    wrong, but they don't look legit to me.
    tony cooper, Oct 16, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    I think most Europeans, and people of European descent, are decent.
    Except for some French waiters I've run across. Oh, and a German
    gasthaus owner in Tuttlingen who wanted to charge me extra for a duvet
    on a cold night. Nothing decent about her and the breakfast sausages
    were terrible.
    tony cooper, Oct 16, 2008
  4. Hi Douggie.

    BTW, you misspelled "Jerkin."

    Seriously, D-Mac, is it Jurgen or Juegen?

    Your Paranoia seems to be as bad as the idiots visiting from
    Eventually you'll either start getting it right or give up... Idiot!
, Oct 16, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Ever wonder why all your identities are so transparent, Douggie?
    Maybe it's your breath?

    So how's that Linear Pano coming along, Jerkin?
    Annika1980, Oct 16, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest

    Please don't forget the free plug:

    Thank you.

    Jeff R., Oct 16, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Don't say "free plug." It just gets Douggie excited.
    The last free plug he had was named Julian.

    Or this new Jerkin fellow.
    Annika1980, Oct 16, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest



    Jeff R., Oct 16, 2008
  9. point taken ;-)
    Atheist Chaplain, Oct 16, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Let me make one point clear about my position on Photoshopped images:
    it's a very legitimate form of the photographer's art. That's what we
    try to We try to create interesting and pleasing images
    that capture the attention of the viewer. Sometimes that comes right
    out of the camera, and sometimes that comes from manipulation of the

    My only objection to Photoshopped (or images manipulated by any
    program) is when an altered or manipulated image is presented as a
    "straight" image and a denial of manipulation is stated.

    Even this is a gray area. Sharpening, boosting detail or colors with
    Channels or Curves, cloning out imperfections, and the use of the some
    of the other tools in Photoshop is manipulation. Changing exposure of
    a RAW image is manipulation. And, in my opinion, legitimate
    manipulation that need not be disclosed. When two or more photos are
    combined into one, though, it becomes Photoshopped art and not a
    "straight" photograph.
    tony cooper, Oct 16, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Four hours to drive 400 miles? Are you allowing for the time it takes
    to sign all those tickets?
    Going through Pensacola is out of the way. From Destin it is best to
    go up 331 and eventually hit I-65 in Alabama (not Georgia). It's
    about a 7-hour drive, but I've done it in 6.
    Well, you're wrong, but I take no offense since my wife said the exact
    same thing. "That shot looks fake, " she said.

    FYI, here is the unaltered unsharpened JPG shot which was extracted
    straight from the RAW file. No alterations were made to it.
    Annika1980, Oct 17, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Your not following. The Pensacola to Chattanooga drive was Jurgen's
    route. He claims to have made that journey last week. He didn't
    mention Destin and I commented on his route, not yours.

    I was wrong on the 400 miles in four hours. Mind fart. Four hundred
    miles is about 8 hours in mixed highway driving, less on all
    interstate. I do drive fast, but not that fast.
    OK, if you say it's out-of-the-camera I'll take your word for it. I
    see no reason to doubt you. You have no history of calling a fake
    real, and if you say it's real I'll accept that 100%.

    It's a flat, dead-looking picture of the sky and the gulls, and the
    arm looks more real. The framed hand looks too posed to be part of
    the same frame. That's why I thought Photoshop.
    tony cooper, Oct 17, 2008
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    jimkramer Guest


    Well, you're wrong, but I take no offense since my wife said the exact
    same thing. "That shot looks fake, " she said.

    FYI, here is the unaltered unsharpened JPG shot which was extracted
    straight from the RAW file. No alterations were made to it.
    I have the same problem with grey & white aussies on a light colored agility
    obstacles. It just looks like I cut and pasted the dog into the scene.

    jimkramer, Oct 17, 2008
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    Draco Guest

    A very well done shot. It does look light a great studio shot with a
    stuffed bird. But the image itself reminds me of the birds when they
    see free food. Yikes, duck!

    Now, as for the rest of you folks who can't seem to say anything nice
    about anyone. Stick a cork in it. The past several years everything
    and anything has been attacked and placed on a spit and burned to a
    crisp by the flame wars. It is time to get the frick over it! Really,
    how often can one person be the center of attacks because they like
    anothers work. Because anothers work seems to stand out from the hacks
    and ordinary shooters. Because one works at their craft and doesn't
    demand to be paid for taking a snap-freaking-shot of auntie line
    dancing at someone wedding! Or one who produces a beautiful landscape
    and has their grandkids mug and hold it in an advertisement? Time to
    end this BS and get on with being straight and either saying you like
    or you don't and not to be angry when the other fellows don't like
    yours. Nit picking at someones work without offering some advise as to
    help just makes that picker a nitwit.

    So folks, that is as much as I want to say. I know there will be quite
    a number out there who will say, "How dare he!" Well I dare you all to
    become better photographers. Better people. Better mentors of

    Draco, Oct 17, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    No, it's a gull, not a duck. These birds in my shot are fake, though: Only a
    little bit less lifeless looking than the gull.
    I don't think you are justified in applying the tar brush to "the rest
    of you folks". There are the Helens who gush at anything and the
    Jurgens who have nothing good to say about anything, but "the rest" of
    us often make comments from critical to complimentary regardless of
    who posted the image.
    tony cooper, Oct 17, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    tony cooper, Oct 17, 2008
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    Draco Guest

    I did mean the rest of those folks. I am sorry if it got splashed on
    you as well or on others here who have been the type of menters I hope
    to become. I'm not perfect by any means. Just tired of those who spew
    hate because they can. So, again I apologize for any and all who got
    "tared" by my broad stroke of the brush. I hope the "Helen's" of the
    world would out number and out shout the "Jurgens" of the world.

    And Tony, I meant "duck" as in dodge, bob and weave, get the frick
    out of the way, "duck". I wouldn't call those decoys "real" either.
    But not bad shot though.

    Draco, Oct 17, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    You are rather gullible if you think I didn't know this.
    tony cooper, Oct 17, 2008
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    Jurgen Guest

    Someone lies about their picture to conceal their poor taste and you see
    the need to give the person who outs him, a back hand swipe. From your
    history here, you fit into the Helen category. Before you take that as a
    complement. Think about it for a while.

    Jurgen, Oct 17, 2008
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    Helen Guest

    If being over enthusiastic and genuine about someone's work is a bad
    thing in your or the cynic's eyes, I can live with that.
    Helen, Oct 18, 2008
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