Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    I would agree.

    Even with cheap p&s cameras, a fairly extensive amount of image manipulation
    can be done in-camera.

    For instance, cimply choosing colour modes can alter the degree of colour
    contrast and saturation. In pre-digital days, only a rather elaborate
    filter setup could have come close to the results of choosing, let's say the
    "Vivid" mode, or sepia setting.

    In most cases, this type of effect would have been achieved in the darkroom,
    not in-camera.

    Take Care,
    Dudley Hanks, Oct 27, 2008
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  2. Annika1980

    tony cooper Guest

    I disagree. First of all, go back to my original statement. It's
    above, but I'll repeat it: "My only objection to Photoshopped (or
    images manipulated by any program) is when an altered or manipulated
    image is presented as a 'straight' image and a denial of manipulation
    is stated."

    That pretty much sets the ground rules for my point. You can wander
    off this point all you want, and you can make whatever point you want,
    but it doesn't address what I brought up. There's nothing wrong with
    expounding on a different aspect, but recognize that you are
    addressing something else and not the original statement.

    Now..."manipulation". You are stretching the boundaries of that word
    too much. Bracketed shots present different frames. You choose from
    several images which you want to print. They don't change an image,
    and "manipulation" means move, handle, or adjust in such a way to

    Adjusting white balance isn't a change at all. The idea of setting
    white balance in advance is to *not* change the resulting image from
    what is observed. The other features of a camera don't manipulate
    either. They may capture differently, but nothing is manipulated.
    Cut the crap, hunh? I'm not playing games with words here. I'm not
    implying anything, and I haven't missed your point. I disagree with
    your position, and I'm flat-out stating so.
    No, neither is post-processing manipulation by use of a program like
    Photoshop. The cropped image is the same unmanipulated image as
    taken, but less of it is viewable. The telephoto image is the image
    as it is captured, but less of the scene is captured. It's no more
    manipulated that you can say the telephoto manipulates what the wide
    angle would have caught.
    When the statement is about post-processing manipulation in an editing
    program - as mine was - then there's nothing inadequate about the
    tony cooper, Oct 27, 2008
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