Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, May 13, 2004.

  1. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Well, sports fans and computer geeks .... I did it!
    I just ordered a new computer system from Monarch Computers in Atlanta.
    They let you customize your setup and they put it all together and test it for
    I tried a few other companies online, but their choices were much more limited.

    Anyways, here's what about $2400 will get ya these days:

    Case: Antec Performance Plus Case (I considered one of those psychadelic
    models with
    the neon lights and the plexiglass, but I don't expect many people to see it
    under my desk.
    Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe (8 USB 2.0 ports, Firewire, etc.)
    Processors: Intel P4 Prescott 3.2 GHz 800 FSB 1M (HT)
    Memory: DDR (400) 3200 REG ECC - 2 GB (I considered adding an extra 2GB, but
    didn't wanna blow another $675. I can always add it later.)
    Hard Drives: 3 Western Digital 120 GB drives (2 SATA, 1 IDE)
    DVD-ROM: Sony DDU1621 16X DVD 40X CD-ROM
    CD/DVD ReWriters: Sony DRU530A 4x/2x-DVD+-RW/8X/4x
    Floppy Drive: Mitsumi 7-in-1 USB Card-Reader/Smart-Media/CF/Floppy
    Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 ZS
    Video Card: Matrox Millennium P650 64MB DDR/8x-AGP/Dual VGA/Dual DVI
    Video Capture: Pinnacle PCTV Pro (Why not? Just another $78 and loads of fun
    watching and recording TV on the puter.)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional

    In my haste, I forgot to order a keyboard and a mouse, but I've already got a
    few of them anyway, including a Wacom tablet.
    Now I'll get to add all my peripherals which I already have which include:

    Lacie Electron Blue 19" Monitor (also a NEC 4FG 15" monitor for dual monitor
    Cambridge Soundworks Speakers & Subwoofer
    Epson 2200 Printer
    Minolta Scan Elite 5400 Film Scanner
    Epson 1200P Flatbed Scanner
    Canopus DV-REX Digital Video Capture Card
    Medea 13GB RAID HD (a huge drive back in the day)
    Sandisk CF card reader

    Now I just need to order Photoshop CS and I'll be all set. I see I can get it
    for about $555.
    The only other software I'm Jonesin for is Capture One and Silverfast.

    Here's a Q: If I set up my old Win98 puter to network with my new one, will I
    need to load XP on it as well?
    What all is involved in networking two computers?
    I've got a Linksys Wireless Router sitting here that I've never even tried to
    use. Maybe a wireless network, huh?

    Anyway, I go a long time between upgrades so hopefully this setup will last me
    7 years like my current one.

    Annika1980, May 13, 2004
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  2. Your mother.

    Be a good boy and say thank you.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, May 13, 2004
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  3. Annika1980

    ThomasH Guest

    NOT YOU!

    A 19" monitor??? Why not to go for a color balanced 21"
    flat Eizo with 1600x1220 dots? Less Megaherz, more color

    Some of these components appear very arbitrary anyway.
    Matrox is good choice though. Has the best image processor
    for TV watching, you will love it. It is almost like HDTV.
    ThomasH, May 13, 2004
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    JR Guest

    JR, May 13, 2004
  5. Umm... the photographer who only needs to spend $5.49 for another roll of
    slide film to continue practicing his hobby...? <sly grin>

    Ken Nadvornick, May 13, 2004
  6. Hey Bret, I hope you live in a relatively cold (geographically speaking)
    location because Intel recently sent out warning notices to their GID
    network, stating quite clearly that these chips run a lot hotter than the
    older Northwood CPUs do. The Heat sink Intel supply has a copper core to
    help dissipate the heat.

    The real dainty part about all this is the warning internal case
    temperatures must be maintained below 38 degrees Celsius. If you experience
    30C days and have no air-conditioning, you might fry your new CPU only to
    find out there is no warranty on overheated chips... Just a thought from
    your Aussie mate Douglas. Get yourself some extra fans!!
    Wilder and Wilder, May 13, 2004
  7. Annika1980

    Bowzre Guest

    Shoulda waited a few months. New radical stuff coming this summer to a geek
    outlet near you.

    Plus, you'll need central air to keep that CPU cool. Other than that, it
    sounds cool (hot).
    Bowzre, May 13, 2004
  8. Annika1980

    Mike Guest

    You won't fry your Intel chip. It will automatically clock itself down if
    it overheats. Fans just add to noise.
    Mike, May 13, 2004
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    Mike Guest

    Nah. You can always wait.

    There is nothing that revolutionary coming in the pipe. A CMP?
    (chip-multiprocessor)? If you wanted that, then just get a 2-CPU
    Mike, May 13, 2004
  10. Annika1980

    Mike Guest

    Wicked system, but what on earth will you use 2GB of memory for?!

    Reminds me of a company I used to work for. They would buy these expensive
    Sun boxes, with 32GB of memory and 8 processors, just to run some silly app
    (HP OpenView) that would work just as well on a fast desktop.

    Also...make your IDE the OS drive, and configure the other 2 drives as
    RAID-1 (mirroring). This should be a software option in WinXP.

    Mike, May 13, 2004
  11. Annika1980

    Matt Clara Guest

    Congratulations! You should enjoy it for years to come! Like, five years!
    Matt Clara, May 13, 2004
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    Thad Guest

    Good luck. When does the 1D arrive? ;-)
    Thad, May 13, 2004
  13. Annika1980

    Alan Browne Guest

    Several good items in there. 2 GB is a hell of a lot of memory.
    Unfortunatley, Photoshop does not take advantage of a large memory very
    well (in my experience anyway).

    With all that disk space will you be doing backups to DVD now? Even
    that would be tedious as the disks fill up... will they be mirrored or

    XP-pro is just a waste of cash for the home user, IMO.
    Leave the old machine as Win98.
    The cleanest way is to get a a single "crossover" ethernet cable and
    directly connect the two computer via ethernet.

    If you're not sure about the cable, then a cheap little router in
    between will work just as well. Once it's all plugged together go into
    the Control Panel -> network connections to set each computer and
    appropriate permissions.

    Once there, you might consider setting up the old machine as a firewall
    to the intenet... eg: it has the modem and firewall s/w and the main
    machine accesses via the old. You could even make the old machine your
    e-mail station to further protect the new machine from viruses.

    No mention of highspeed internet (Cable or DSL) in your post... is this
    available where you are ... eg: escape from AOL is possible...?
    That too.
    You don't. I'm not sure what you started with, but I believe you just
    spent your way out of a nice lens. For much less, you likely could have
    had just as much performance. Hopefully you will get at least 7 years
    out of this new computer with minor upgrades in a few years.
    Alan Browne, May 13, 2004
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    Mike Guest

    No way. I completely disagree and wouldn't even think of using XP-home.
    Its networking capabilities are crippled and you lose many features like
    software RAID (i think).
    You do have broadband, right? Why get a great computer without cable or
    DSL?!!! Use that Linksys router and get wireless cards in your machines.
    And make sure to use an encryption key so that your neighbors don't use your
    internet connection to look at child porn.
    Mike, May 13, 2004
  15. Annika1980

    Mike Guest

    Thats going an aweful long time between upgrades....especially for someone
    into digital photography. When the TOTALLY DIGITAL D6000 comes out in 2009,
    with its 16 megapixel sensor, your computer will probably crawl.

    I buy $500-700 computers every 3 years. A $500 computer I buy 2 years from
    now will likely be faster than your $2000 rig is. Then again, I don't have a
    use for 2Gb of memory because I don't manipulate 6megapixel raw files ;)
    Mike, May 13, 2004
  16. Annika1980

    Alan Browne Guest

    I routinely scan to 200MB TIFF files off of film. No big deal, although
    photoshop does a poor job of utilizing the 1 GB of memory.
    Alan Browne, May 13, 2004
  17. Annika1980

    Mike Guest

    How does it do a poor job of utilizing memory? Is it slow or does it simply
    not allocate up to 1GB?

    If it is slow, then Photoshop probably isn't optimizing for cache accesses--
    which is very hard.

    The gap between processing speed and memory is becoming huge. If you are
    operating on a 200MB file, and your P4 processor has the typical 512kb
    cache, then if Photoshop isn't doing a good job with exploiting locality, it
    is potentially missing on every access. A cache miss will probably take
    over 100 nanoseconds to fill from memory (after it crosses the chip, bus
    arbitration, memory controller, etc). At 3GHz with the P4 potentially
    retiring 3 instructions/cycle, each memory access takes the time to execute
    nearly 1000 instructions! Hip hip horray for 3GHz when it sits there
    twiddling its thumbs waiting for memory. This is the motivation for
    multi-threading (either via hyperthreading or having 2 cores). While
    waiting for memory, the processor can make progress on the other thread.

    Most stuff will largely execute out of cache meaning it is very fast. Image
    processing on huge files, with it potentially makes large strided memory
    accesses, can perform poorly due to cache misses. Buying an AMD Athlon64 is
    a win here because the memory controller is on-chip. Intel still uses the
    NorthBridge. Then again, hyperthreading is a win here too. But not much of
    a win when you can't do anything else with the other thread.
    Mike, May 13, 2004
  18. I'd have got a Lian-Li, but that's just aesthetic preference. I have to
    admit 120mm fan mounts are nice (FYI, 120mm fans mean fewer fans, and hence
    a quieter system).
    Fair enough
    Again, i'd have gone for AMD 64 Bit- in fact I believe AMD processors in
    general fare better in image editing, at least according to some benchmarks
    i've seen.
    You don't need more.
    Why 1 IDE? Why not two 250Gb SATA?
    Good choice, but why buy two drives? (Just out of curiosity- I have two
    myself, but could certainly get by with only one)
    *Excellent* choice, I want one of these myself
    Overkill! Your mobo has all the sound capabilities most people need... not
    sure about the specific model, but there are mobos around with SPDIF output
    Hey, whatever floats your boat. Hope you don't play games.
    I'd have got an ATI 9800 Pro All-In-Wonder.
    Didn't know Lacie made monitors, but I detest their external storage
    I have a Cambridge DVD player which isn't bad (but not great either). My
    speakers are 7 years old and rock the house (literally). A pair of ancient
    amplified Labtecs that don't need the added bass of a sub unless I want
    people on your side of the pond to hear them.
    Aiiieeeee! Unless I see a great deal of evidence to convince me otherwise, I
    shaln't be buying any Epsons soon.
    You can afford to bin most of that now, surely? If the drive is fast enough
    could it be a good RAM disk?
    Nope. Easier, though. Bear in mind that for legal purposes you'd need to buy
    a second XP license.
    Ah, AFAIK a wireless network between two computers requires two wireless
    network cards.
    Any idea what PSU you got? Only a no-brand one won't put out as much power
    as the label states, which could lead to problems with all the high-drain
    crap you've got in there. Especially with six drives. Also extra cooling
    might help.
    I probably do, I just need the money to prove it.
    Martin Francis, May 13, 2004
  19. Er... FYI, this is r.p.e.35mm
    You spent $2400(!) on a computer?! And you seem _proud_ of it....??!!
    Apart from any film scanner issues, why should a 35mm film group give a
    rat's ***?
    XP will talk to 98 just fine.

    It's a 10 min process.
    In short: Install NICs and connect computers. Install NIC drivers.
    Install NetBEUI protocol, bind it to the Nic. Install File Sharing
    service, bind it to NetBEUI. In explorer, right click on drives, enable
    sharing. Map net drive(s) to a local drive letter if desired. (eg.
    local drive G: is an alias for C:\ on the other computer.)
    It depends on how much data you want to move. If you're shuffling
    multi-meg images, wireless will be a slow PITA. Your new MB probably
    has a network adaptor built in (maybe even gigabit). Get some cable and
    a switch and build a wired system.
    LOL more like 2-3.
    Oh, dear.
    Your ego is all wrapped up in this material crap; you really do think it
    makes you a better person, don't you?! :( I guess the billions spent
    on advertising have produced the desired result.

    Greg Campbell, May 13, 2004
  20. Annika1980

    Thad Guest

    Why are you being so hard on the guy? Jealous? You know nothing about
    his line of work. You don't know anything his hardware requirements.

    And I suppose you've never posted a gloat before?
    Thad, May 13, 2004
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